N.f.l. 2010 season (2 Viewers)
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Is it me, or do the Jets brain trust live to disappoint its fan base (thank god I am a life long Giant fan, although I don't expect much this year)?
They have a once in a generation true shut down cornerback, the best since Deon Sanders, and they refuse to negotiate a new contract. Did you watch the first episode of HBO's Hard Knocks? Without Revis, their defense couldn't stop their weak passing attack from scoring at will.
But immediately after their defense got dismantled by Mark Sanchez, their GM sat in his car and said they were not expecting to sign Sanchez this season, and would trade for a cornerback. Yeah, shut down corners just grow on trees. My team hasn't got even one cornerback you can leave alone on an island. If I were a Jet fan, I would shoot myself.
They have a once in a generation true shut down cornerback, the best since Deon Sanders, and they refuse to negotiate a new contract. Did you watch the first episode of HBO's Hard Knocks? Without Revis, their defense couldn't stop their weak passing attack from scoring at will.
But immediately after their defense got dismantled by Mark Sanchez, their GM sat in his car and said they were not expecting to sign Sanchez this season, and would trade for a cornerback. Yeah, shut down corners just grow on trees. My team hasn't got even one cornerback you can leave alone on an island. If I were a Jet fan, I would shoot myself.
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Yes it should be interesting. Maybe we will see how that 3-4 looks against a playoff caliber team.I'm looking forward to Saturdays match up between the Skins and my Ravens, a beltway brawl, (preseason brawl) didn't get a chance to see the Skins but sounds like they are gonna be tough, my Ravens did ok against Carolina but was hoping for some more offense, hopefully we will open it up a little against the skins...Sammy
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Louis,
I guess you missed the part where Reavis is in the second year of his five year rookie deal; he wants a new deal, why SHOULD the Jets give him a new one, why doesn't he play out his rookie contract, you know, the one he gladly signed two years ago, and then sign a new deal.
The Jets were dumb enough to already offer him a new deal, ten years, 120 million but nope, he wants 160 million.
Absolutely unreal, these guys have no grasp of reality at all, as in none, guess since the whole recession thing wasn't printed in a comic book, none of them have read or heard about it.
These guys crack me up; I guess it's ok not to honor a contract then.
Sports has become a total joke, am reaching the point where I could care less about sports.........
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The problem with any NFL contract, including the contract Reavis signed as a rookie, is that other than the guaranteed money, the contract is only binding on the player, not on the team, who can cut the player and not pay a penny that is not guaranteed. The NFL is wise to do this, as they can just ditch a player not living up to his contract, and not have the money count against the salary cap.
Reavis got his guaranteed money upfront, except for the $1,000,000 he is to be paid this year. He has outplayed his contract, and wants to renegotiate an extension. This happens all the time in the NFL. The real problem is the Jets don't want to give him a great deal of guaranteed money, and he wants quite a bit - according to reports the two sides are $40,000,000 apart on the guaranteed money.
However, Reavis in my opinion has all the leverage. The Jets haven't won anything in more than 40 years. The entire offseason they have been spouting off about how this is their year, because the came within 30 minutes of the Superbowl with a rookie coach and a rookie quarterback. They came within 30 minutes of the superbowl because they had the #1 defense (in large part because Reavis shut down the best receiver on every team they played all season) and the #1 running attack.
They have since let Thomas Jones, their 1,400 yeard rusher, leave, and replaced him with LT (who is pretty much done). Thus, in addition to the fact that it is highly doubtful their defense will be as good without Reavis, it is highly doubtful they will have an effective running attack.
More to the point for our discussion, they released Leon Washington, a very popular player, whom they had promised to "take care of" in the offseason rather than renegotiate prior to the season, because he suffered a terrible injury. Now that is just business, but if you are Reavis, seeing how well they "took care of" Washington after he sustained a career threatening injury, would you get on the field without getting a ton of guaranteed money?
Additionally, the Jets are trying to sell PSL's in that new stadium, and are still having loads of trouble doing it. They face a very difficult early season schedule (the first 6 games, with the exception of Buffalo, are all against contenders). Without Reavis, the Jets could be looking at a 2-4 or even 1-5 start to a season they are boasting will end in a superbowl victory in Dallas.
If you are the Jets management, do you want to face a dissaster of biblical proportions - missing the playoffs in the season you open a new stadium and are on HBO's Hard Knocks bragging about the superbowl - or do you want to overpay a once in a generation player without whom you have zero chance of winning a championship? If it were me, I would overpay him and have a chance at one or more championships.
As I recall, Deon Sanders pretty much took the title with him where he went - when he was with the 49ers, they won, when he signed with Dallas, they won. With the exception of the kick return game - which is no way near as important as taking half the field away from the opponent's passing game - Reavis looks to be this generation's Sanders. The Jets, who have no titles since 1969, better take advantage of this now, and take a run at being the next dynasty team, or they, already a second rate team in NYC, are going to fall even further behind the Giants when it comes to New York fans.
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The problem with NFL contracts, actually, contracts in general is it seems no one is every happy, either the player who signed for short money and pans out to be a superstar wants a new deal, or management signs a guy to big money who turns out to be a total bust and they want to get rid of him.
When a player holds out, he says "It's business and I have to do what's best for me and my family".........when a team cuts a guy, they say "It's a business and we have to do what's best for the team."
Pro athletes are disposable heroes, todays superstar is tomorrows over the hill washed up bum.
That's life.
Too bad.
I've never, ever once seen a player who did not live up to the contract offer to give the money back, I know Ted Williams did, but that was back in the stone age when players played for the love of the game, not for the love of how many dead presidents they were going to get paid so they could buy five houses, twenty two cars and a silver hubcap with diamond studs they could wear around their neck.
Being a Patriots fan, this is all good for me to see the Jets imploding, specifically Sexy Rexy Ryan, Mr all hat, no cattle who's team backed into the playoffs last year because the Colts and Bengals laid down the last two games of the season, now he's talking a cakewalk to the Super Bowl because they've signed a bunch of former big names, specifically LT (no, not THAT LT, the football one), who was done two years ago and Jason Taylor, who signed with the Dolphins last year because he wanted to be closer to home, guess he needs a map now to figure that one out.
The two sides are 40,000,000 clams apart, which is a lot of bling.
That said, he'd be a complete fool to sit out the entire year, considering there probably will be no football next year with the collective bargaining agreement about to expire and the owners locking out the players, that is going to be a long, ugly battle.....................
When a player holds out, he says "It's business and I have to do what's best for me and my family".........when a team cuts a guy, they say "It's a business and we have to do what's best for the team."
Pro athletes are disposable heroes, todays superstar is tomorrows over the hill washed up bum.
That's life.
Too bad.
I've never, ever once seen a player who did not live up to the contract offer to give the money back, I know Ted Williams did, but that was back in the stone age when players played for the love of the game, not for the love of how many dead presidents they were going to get paid so they could buy five houses, twenty two cars and a silver hubcap with diamond studs they could wear around their neck.
Being a Patriots fan, this is all good for me to see the Jets imploding, specifically Sexy Rexy Ryan, Mr all hat, no cattle who's team backed into the playoffs last year because the Colts and Bengals laid down the last two games of the season, now he's talking a cakewalk to the Super Bowl because they've signed a bunch of former big names, specifically LT (no, not THAT LT, the football one), who was done two years ago and Jason Taylor, who signed with the Dolphins last year because he wanted to be closer to home, guess he needs a map now to figure that one out.
The two sides are 40,000,000 clams apart, which is a lot of bling.
That said, he'd be a complete fool to sit out the entire year, considering there probably will be no football next year with the collective bargaining agreement about to expire and the owners locking out the players, that is going to be a long, ugly battle.....................
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Watched part of the game tonight, Jets vs Giants.
First pass Sanchez throws in the preseason in the new stadium, 60 yard INT.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Crowd shots were "interesting", particularly Firemarshall Ed almost getting into a brawl with Vinnie from Staten Island, way to go Firemarshall; he looks like he should skip the buffet every now and again down at Sizzlers too while he's at it.
Loved the other 400 pound wreckingball they showed with the goggles, Jets Airplane hat and all four of this teeth showing as he yelled and screamed God knows what.
Priceless............
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Ah yes the fans are more interesting than the game at times; for the Skins the last 10 years, most of the time.
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Ah yes the fans are more interesting than the game at times; for the Skins the last 10 years, most of the time.
The Skins have fallen on hard times, but they were a machine back in the mid 80's to mid 90's, four Super Bowl appearances in ten years, a very impressive run.
They are moving in the right direction with their new coach and QB, the division is wide open this year, they have as good of a chance to win it as any of the other teams in the East......
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My Ravens play the Skins tommorow nite, who destroyed (skins) the Bills last week, think it will be a good presason game for both sides, looking to see Flacco and offense be in more sinc this week then last...Sammy
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I'm a big football fan, but this pre-season business is a sad and pathetic way to sqeeze a few more dollars. I read the NFL is considering even more preseason games and/or playing 18 game seasons to increase TV revenue. Talk about hypocrisy. The NFL has outlawed much of the aggressiveness of the game to avoid injuries. But they are considering additional games each year? Think about the pounding that puts on the players. At most, there should be one preseason game.
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How is this for timely - NY Times article on preseason football:
The N.F.L. perpetrates two annual frauds: one against the American public, the other against players who give body and blood to make the league a multibillion-dollar enterprise.
The first fraud is preseason football, those empty, glamorized scrimmages that teams force on season-ticket holders as parts of the regular-season package.
The second, more dangerous fraud is training camp, which exposes veteran players to unnecessary risk and perpetuates the myth that football is more complicated than it really is.
The situations of Brett Favre and Eli Manning, Exhibits 1 and 2, make for the most compelling arguments yet for eliminating these colossal wastes of time and resources.
Favre, the N.F.L.’s 40-year-old prince of drama, waltzes into Minnesota Vikings “training camp” three weeks after everyone else and participates in four plays Sunday. Experts say Favre can pull this off because he knows the system so well.
No. Favre can pull this off because a training camp lasting several weeks is not essential. After not practicing with the Vikings until last Wednesday, he played one four-play series Sunday night, completing a pass and being sacked, in a 15-10 loss to the San Francisco 49ers.
Manning did show up for camp. In the Giants’ first preseason game, against the Jets, he took a blind-side shot and needed 12 stitches to close a three-inch gash on his forehead, causing him to miss several days of practice. All because of a meaningless game.
We talk a lot in sports about going for the glory. Where’s the glory in that?
Football at the N.F.L. level is an injury game: if you play, you will be injured. The first regular-season game is little more than two weeks away, and there has already been a rash of season-shortening and season-ending injuries. Some injuries were sustained in practice, some in the so-called games.
Who wants this? More to the point, who needs it?
There was a time in professional football when the general manager and head coach never saw their players until it was time to report to camp. In those days, players held full-time jobs in the off-season and used training camp to get in shape. Now, most players train year-round and are in shape when they report.
All N.F.L. teams hold minicamps, organized team activities (practices, sort of) and other off-season programs. But there is growing sentiment among some executives that teams may be overdoing it.
“I don’t know if the body has enough time to recuperate because you’re seeing so many soft-tissue injuries,” Jerry Reese, the Giants’ general manager, said. “There’s more opportunity for injury because there’s so much more time on the field. Then you have training camp and you go double during training camp. And you see all across the league there are a bunch of injuries.”
No one is advocating an end to training camp. Preparing for the violent nature of the game mandates camp. But why waste the N.F.L.’s most eye-catching element — its violence — in training camps and on meaningless preseason games?
“You have to get calloused a little bit, because if you go out there and just start hitting people, it’s going to be even more injuries,” Reese said. “You have to have some kind of training camp to prepare your body to go through a 16-game season.
“It’s a balancing act; I’m not sure how well we’re balancing it right now.”
N.F.L. owners will meet on Wednesday in Atlanta to discuss, among other things, a proposal to expand the regular-season schedule to 18 games and eliminate two of the four preseason games.
How can the N.F.L. wring its hands about player safety and health, then turn around and extend the regular season by two games? If owners add two games, they should compensate players by prorating their per-game salary over 18 games. Simple as that.
Additionally, season-ticket holders should no longer be required to buy tickets for preseason games. Preseason games are a sham and everyone knows it. In a recent interview on Sirius NFL Radio, Commissioner Roger Goodell said: “I have heard very clearly from fans — they do not want the preseason games. They’re not seeing the players they want. They’re not seeing the kind of quality that they expect from the N.F.L. And they are meaningless games.”
The proposal for a longer regular season will produce — or should produce — a significant public collision between the N.F.L. and the players association. In the preseason, veterans play sparingly. By effectively turning two preseason games into regular-season games, the veterans will have to work what amounts to two additional full-time shifts.
As a condition of two added games, players must receive extra compensation and teams must have extra personnel. The preseason should be substantially shortened. Rookies and young players need training camp to play their way onto the team, but for veteran players, camp is just one more hazard.
Giants linebacker Keith Bulluck said it did not make sense for players to beat one another up in camp “and then when we have to go play a team, we don’t have the player that we need.”
Bulluck recalled that in his rookie season, in 2000, most teams held two-a-day practices with lots of contact. “It was physical, very physical, when I came in,” he said.
Over the years, many teams have evolved toward more classroom work.
“Last year in Tennessee, I don’t think we had any two-a-days,” Bulluck said. “We have morning meetings all day, then we go out and practice in the afternoon.”
Referring to Giants camp, he added: “Not too many two-a-days here, either. I guess the coaches are beginning to understand that it’s more about the season. Beating the guys up in August doesn’t help in September, October, November and December.”
The N.F.L. perpetrates two annual frauds: one against the American public, the other against players who give body and blood to make the league a multibillion-dollar enterprise.
The first fraud is preseason football, those empty, glamorized scrimmages that teams force on season-ticket holders as parts of the regular-season package.
The second, more dangerous fraud is training camp, which exposes veteran players to unnecessary risk and perpetuates the myth that football is more complicated than it really is.
The situations of Brett Favre and Eli Manning, Exhibits 1 and 2, make for the most compelling arguments yet for eliminating these colossal wastes of time and resources.
Favre, the N.F.L.’s 40-year-old prince of drama, waltzes into Minnesota Vikings “training camp” three weeks after everyone else and participates in four plays Sunday. Experts say Favre can pull this off because he knows the system so well.
No. Favre can pull this off because a training camp lasting several weeks is not essential. After not practicing with the Vikings until last Wednesday, he played one four-play series Sunday night, completing a pass and being sacked, in a 15-10 loss to the San Francisco 49ers.
Manning did show up for camp. In the Giants’ first preseason game, against the Jets, he took a blind-side shot and needed 12 stitches to close a three-inch gash on his forehead, causing him to miss several days of practice. All because of a meaningless game.
We talk a lot in sports about going for the glory. Where’s the glory in that?
Football at the N.F.L. level is an injury game: if you play, you will be injured. The first regular-season game is little more than two weeks away, and there has already been a rash of season-shortening and season-ending injuries. Some injuries were sustained in practice, some in the so-called games.
Who wants this? More to the point, who needs it?
There was a time in professional football when the general manager and head coach never saw their players until it was time to report to camp. In those days, players held full-time jobs in the off-season and used training camp to get in shape. Now, most players train year-round and are in shape when they report.
All N.F.L. teams hold minicamps, organized team activities (practices, sort of) and other off-season programs. But there is growing sentiment among some executives that teams may be overdoing it.
“I don’t know if the body has enough time to recuperate because you’re seeing so many soft-tissue injuries,” Jerry Reese, the Giants’ general manager, said. “There’s more opportunity for injury because there’s so much more time on the field. Then you have training camp and you go double during training camp. And you see all across the league there are a bunch of injuries.”
No one is advocating an end to training camp. Preparing for the violent nature of the game mandates camp. But why waste the N.F.L.’s most eye-catching element — its violence — in training camps and on meaningless preseason games?
“You have to get calloused a little bit, because if you go out there and just start hitting people, it’s going to be even more injuries,” Reese said. “You have to have some kind of training camp to prepare your body to go through a 16-game season.
“It’s a balancing act; I’m not sure how well we’re balancing it right now.”
N.F.L. owners will meet on Wednesday in Atlanta to discuss, among other things, a proposal to expand the regular-season schedule to 18 games and eliminate two of the four preseason games.
How can the N.F.L. wring its hands about player safety and health, then turn around and extend the regular season by two games? If owners add two games, they should compensate players by prorating their per-game salary over 18 games. Simple as that.
Additionally, season-ticket holders should no longer be required to buy tickets for preseason games. Preseason games are a sham and everyone knows it. In a recent interview on Sirius NFL Radio, Commissioner Roger Goodell said: “I have heard very clearly from fans — they do not want the preseason games. They’re not seeing the players they want. They’re not seeing the kind of quality that they expect from the N.F.L. And they are meaningless games.”
The proposal for a longer regular season will produce — or should produce — a significant public collision between the N.F.L. and the players association. In the preseason, veterans play sparingly. By effectively turning two preseason games into regular-season games, the veterans will have to work what amounts to two additional full-time shifts.
As a condition of two added games, players must receive extra compensation and teams must have extra personnel. The preseason should be substantially shortened. Rookies and young players need training camp to play their way onto the team, but for veteran players, camp is just one more hazard.
Giants linebacker Keith Bulluck said it did not make sense for players to beat one another up in camp “and then when we have to go play a team, we don’t have the player that we need.”
Bulluck recalled that in his rookie season, in 2000, most teams held two-a-day practices with lots of contact. “It was physical, very physical, when I came in,” he said.
Over the years, many teams have evolved toward more classroom work.
“Last year in Tennessee, I don’t think we had any two-a-days,” Bulluck said. “We have morning meetings all day, then we go out and practice in the afternoon.”
Referring to Giants camp, he added: “Not too many two-a-days here, either. I guess the coaches are beginning to understand that it’s more about the season. Beating the guys up in August doesn’t help in September, October, November and December.”
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Interesting article to say the least.
I had Patriots season tickets from 1983 thourgh 1992, then again from 1995 through 2005, never once went to a preseason game even though they rammed the tickets down our throats as part of the ticket package.
Myself and my four friends who had the tickets used to give them away to friends and family of ours who had kids so they could go see a "game", if you want to call seeing the starters for two series a "game", then you'd watch a bunch of guys who'll soon be asking "would you like fries with that?"
I can remember when they used to play 6 preseason games and 14 regular season games. 18 would be a great idea, but not sure how many players would be left standing after getting pounded for 18 weeks (19 actually factoring in the bye week).
Don't think the union would go for it, but then again, there probably won't be any football next year anyway, so who knows how it will all shake out........
I had Patriots season tickets from 1983 thourgh 1992, then again from 1995 through 2005, never once went to a preseason game even though they rammed the tickets down our throats as part of the ticket package.
Myself and my four friends who had the tickets used to give them away to friends and family of ours who had kids so they could go see a "game", if you want to call seeing the starters for two series a "game", then you'd watch a bunch of guys who'll soon be asking "would you like fries with that?"
I can remember when they used to play 6 preseason games and 14 regular season games. 18 would be a great idea, but not sure how many players would be left standing after getting pounded for 18 weeks (19 actually factoring in the bye week).
Don't think the union would go for it, but then again, there probably won't be any football next year anyway, so who knows how it will all shake out........
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That's why I'm opposed to a college football playoff system even if it's a good idea in concept. First it would start out as four teams, then eight, then sixteen, then.... always chasing more money. Soon they will just play year round and never stop. The NCAA B-ball tourny is expanding again to include more teams. It never ends. I liked the days in MLB when you could win 90+ games and not make the playoffs.
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Very true as sports today, pro, college, whatever is about one thing and one thing only, money. How much can the owners make, the players make, the schools make, money, money, money.
And who pays the freight; the fans do, don't know how anyone can afford season tickets to any sport at this point.
I notice whenever there are Yankee games on tv those barcalounger seats behind home plate and on either side of the dugouts are mostly empty, they have security guards manning the aisles checking to make sure your ticket is for one of those seats, can only imagine what they jam you for the priviledge of sitting in one of those foolish looking things...............
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Great game tonite, lots of predictions of a close game or a Vikings win, I see it as a Saints blow out win (sorry Pete/Shannon) Favre looked terrible in the few pre-season starts and coming off a surgery, so I'm not buying into the close game theory, plus injuries to the Vikings wide reciever, and Percy Harvins migraines all pre-season, more like Saints 27- Vikes-17.
I'm ready for Monday nites game with my Ravens playing the Jets, of course the Jets and Rex Ryan have already placed themselves into the Super Bowl, you know it's a great thing to be confident another thing to be a arrogant jerk as Ryan has turned into since becoming a head coach, he talked alot as the Ravens defensive cordinator but didn't cross the line to much, but he sure has taken it to another level since becoming a head coach, we'll see how much smack he has to say come Monday nite, goooooooo RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Sammy
I'm ready for Monday nites game with my Ravens playing the Jets, of course the Jets and Rex Ryan have already placed themselves into the Super Bowl, you know it's a great thing to be confident another thing to be a arrogant jerk as Ryan has turned into since becoming a head coach, he talked alot as the Ravens defensive cordinator but didn't cross the line to much, but he sure has taken it to another level since becoming a head coach, we'll see how much smack he has to say come Monday nite, goooooooo RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Sammy