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[The Military Workshop]

immigrants identified with where they had come from, particularly when the English who ruled this country wouldn't let them forget where they came from, e.g., the Irish, who, if anything, stayed together, so they could grab some political power from their rulers of scot, Welsh and English ancestry.

Interesting point but you might want to check your figures on Irish v Welsh migrants to USA. Unless you are counting English and Welsh as the same group the USA population figures over the years and heritage now hardly suggest the Irish needing to grab any power from the Welsh migrants who they have always massively outnumbered. Of the four heritages, English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh the Welsh would be the minority by a long way.

I don't think they are high on Martin Scorcese's list for a crime gang movie and whilst I am happy to be corrected have never heard of Welsh regiments in the ACW.

Leave the Welsh out of it as I am sure you know they are the ones with a dragon on their flag and they are just waiting for an opportunity to rise up against the English, Scots and Irish.

 

[Grant1865]

Strangely enough Scots, Welsh and English immigrants that moved to America never seemed to feel the need to label themselves 'Scottish American' or 'Welsh American' or 'English American' or even collectively 'British American'....They were just happy and proud to become...'Americans'.
Andy.

Andy,
You did a great job. Keep up the creativity! Even if I don't buy
certain lines I enjoy your incredible gift of making history so enjoyable.
All the best,
Brad R.

 

[wayne556517]

And Native Americans I'm sure they had a different name for America before ^&confuse why aren't they just Natives.

It is weird either your American or not simple as that Oh well the world is still turning and the beer is still cold ^&grin

 

[Desertkiwi]

Great thought provoking thread, that touches on a sensitive topic often avoided. I'm just pleased K&C have made the effort to produce some darker skinned warriors, many of which are largely forgotten about or deemed too unpopular to make by some.

 

[waynepoo]

Some storm in a tea cup stuff in this thread, FGS they're are just TS.

 

[jazzeum]

Andy indicated in another venue that the lip colors are being changed so glad that's being done :smile2: and as Andy said back to our regular program.

 

[Poppo]

And Native Americans I'm sure they had a different name for America before ^&confuse why aren't they just Natives.

The native americans called themselves something like " the people" or " the human beings" {sm3}

 

[jazzeum]

Great thought provoking thread, that touches on a sensitive topic often avoided. I'm just pleased K&C have made the effort to produce some darker skinned warriors, many of which are largely forgotten about or deemed too unpopular to make by some.

Now that the issue is being addressed, I agree with you. I have a couple of Buffalo Soldiers by other makers and look forward to adding to a couple of these.

I wish more companies besides K & C and FL would make some more Black soldiers.

 

[waynepoo]

And Native Americans I'm sure they had a different name for America before ^&confuse why aren't they just Natives.






The native americans called themselves something like " the people" or " the human beings" {sm3}

Like West Australians who refer to themselves as 'Not quite Human Beings'............

{sm3}

 

[Larry Allen]

And Native Americans I'm sure they had a different name for America before ^&confuse why aren't they just Natives.

The native Americans called themselves something like " the people" or " the human beings" {sm3}

You are right POPPO but only for the Navajo of the Southwestern US ... They refer to themselves as "The People"
There were 1000's of Indian Tribes across the (now) US and Canada.

--- LaRRy

 

[Johnboy]

[ I think that another aspect of this discussion should be addressed. It is something that all General officers wish for, and promotes the "fighting spirit" and that is of course "Espirit de Corps"
Despite having worse resources than their white comrades, the buffalo soldiers notched up a formidable fighting reputation ..... they had something to prove ,and no doubt were proud of their achievements
Given the choice would they have opted to remain as a segregated unit or absorbed into a mainstream
though politically correct outfit ?
In some respects this transcends colour. I served in the British Army for 22 years initially joining my local Regiment (Royal Northumberland Fusiliers [5th foot]) In the late sixties we were amalgamated losing our regional identities, and of course we weren't the only ones. At a stroke,the powers to be broke the "Golden thread" (joining the same regiment as your relations, family and friends) We now suffer from lack of recruits and this can be traced back to this period.
Just my thoughts,
Johnboy

 

[ExRanger]

Strangely enough Scots, Welsh and English immigrants that moved to America never seemed to feel the need to label themselves 'Scottish American' or 'Welsh American' or 'English American' or even collectively 'British American'....They were just happy and proud to become...'Americans'.
Andy.

Well said Andy. My Grandparents came from different parts of the world and they were as you stated AMERICANS!

 

[jazzeum]

[ I think that another aspect of this discussion should be addressed. It is something that all General officers wish for, and promotes the "fighting spirit" and that is of course "Espirit de Corps"
Despite having worse resources than their white comrades, the buffalo soldiers notched up a formidable fighting reputation ..... they had something to prove ,and no doubt were proud of their achievements
Given the choice would they have opted to remain as a segregated unit or absorbed into a mainstream
though politically correct outfit ?
In some respects this transcends colour. I served in the British Army for 22 years initially joining my local Regiment (Royal Northumberland Fusiliers [5th foot]) In the late sixties we were amalgamated losing our regional identities, and of course we weren't the only ones. At a stroke,the powers to be broke the "Golden thread" (joining the same regiment as your relations, family and friends) We now suffer from lack of recruits and this can be traced back to this period.
Just my thoughts,
Johnboy

It's difficult to know because there were no integrated black units between 1863-1948. During the Civil War, members of the USCT (United States Colored Troops) distinguished themselves when they were allowed to fight. One of their concerns was fighting under black officers and the pay disparity between their pay and those of white troops. After much debate and acrimony the pay disparity question was settled in 1864. For those who are interested, a recent good book about black regiments in the Civil War is Thunder At the Gates: The Black Civil War Regiments that Redeemed America by William Egerton.

Here is a very brief history of Buffalo Soldiers for those who may be interested, http://www.buffalosoldiers-amwest.org/history.htm

 

[mafunzalo]

Awesome figures inspired by a great movie. The guidon carrier is a dead ringer for the real actor in the movie.


"Well, to tell a family secret--my grandmother was Dutch."
Sheriff Bart

 

[PolarBear]

Del Prado and W. Britain African American examples from my collection: Indian Wars (1) and Civil War Era (2, 3, 4)

 

[LTC PaulN]

As for being of Polish-Irish ancestry, the only hyphenation I've ever accepted (being a paratrooper by trade) is "All-American." Please don't try to explain to me why other appellations are germane to the general population of our nation.

 

[ivanmoe]

As for being of Polish-Irish ancestry, the only hyphenation I've ever accepted (being a paratrooper by trade) is "All-American." Please don't try to explain to me why other appellations are germane to the general population of our nation.

Just for grins, I'd encourage you gentlemen to take the 23andMe lab test. I suggest this because most of us are far more diverse in our genetic makeup than you might anticipate. This is particularly true of a population like that of the USA where people move from region to region for economic reasons. The notable exception is folks who belong to exclusive religious sects, some of which manage to maintain a limited degree of homogeneity from generation to generation. The rest of us are pretty much a Heinz-57 lot.

-Moe

 

[jazzeum]

Here are some of my figures.

First two are South Carolina Volunteers and last is the famed 54th Massachusetts.

 

[ivanmoe]

The guidon carrier is a dead ringer for the real actor in the movie.

I believe that you're referring to the gentlemen to Strode's immediate right, below:

Andy certainly could have done worse.

-Moe

 

[ivanmoe]

Carlos posted a nice pic of the new figures to the TS Shows forum:

Suffice to say, thank you Carlos!:salute::

-Moe