New packaging again..... (3 Viewers)

[Njja]

For all the examples you cite, I can mention others such as the $392 that a DD 05 recently brought, way above the norm. What about the approximately $1500 that a WS 04G brought. Back in February that hit $700 or so.

In other words neither of us may be wrong or completely right because the market has no consistency. New players (and I'm seeing those) change that. In addition, the retired market operates independent of current items.

Lastly, I think we all know the market is overinflated. $600 for a Krupp truck is in my view not its true market value.

Brad I sight 5 examples just reciently and you ignore the information????

Pierre hit the nail on the head, on any given item when two or more bidders

are interested prices can go through the roof.....that is an example not to

be considered a trend.

My point was the secondary market is being affected as Pierre stated by

a lack of retired items, higher production, and in the longer run new

packaging. I don't have the answer but the question certainly needs to be

asked. A strong secondary market is important for two basic reasons.

1. It attracts new people to the marketplace.

2. It helps justify intelligent collectors continued participation in the hobby.

Now I know as Pierre stated some people will rush to say they don't care

about "value" for the items they add to their collections.......I find this

a silly statement. Everyone no matter their current economic situation should

be interested in how they spend their money. It has been my personal

experience that people with the least tend to spend the most. Once you

have the ability to purchase anything you want you become much more

selective.

Njja

 

[CannonFodder1971]

Brad I sight 5 examples just reciently and you ignore the information????

Pierre hit the nail on the head, on any given item when two or more bidders

are interested prices can go through the roof.....that is an example not to

be considered a trend.

My point was the secondary market is being affected as Pierre stated by

a lack of retired items, higher production, and in the longer run new

packaging. I don't have the answer but the question certainly needs to be

asked. A strong secondary market is important for two basic reasons.

1. It attracts new people to the marketplace.

2. It helps justify intelligent collectors continued participation in the hobby.

Now I know as Pierre stated some people will rush to say they don't care

about "value" for the items they add to their collections.......I find this

a silly statement. Everyone no matter their current economic situation should

be interested in how they spend their money. It has been my personal

experience that people with the least tend to spend the most. Once you

have the ability to purchase anything you want you become much more

selective.

Njja

John, Pierre,

I'd have to admit that I'm one of those who regularly harrumphs about the secondary market, doom/gloom etc, Cassandra with shamrocks, and although you may have a point regarding the downward trend in prices on the secondary market it should also be remembered that in some of those examples (eg IWJ11) the seller chose to exclude the European buyers, and face it the exclusion of Kevin, Thierry etc automatically removes a large percentage of serious buyers from the equation. Due to a number of factors we pay 25-40% more for new K&C here in Europe, depending on country, so any seller who doesn't want to factor that into the secondary market is clearly going to lower the averages on their sales.

I think Andy is pretty much holding a fine line between maintaining collectability (and a bouyant secondary market) whilst still ensuring accessibility to the hobby in the first place.

On the strange new eBay dealers, well that's something for Andy to investigate: if legit K&C dealers are offloading stock to these guys in some sort of grey market then it's something Andy needs to consider carefully. It could be a short-term problem with cashflow in the case of one or two dealers, or it could be a consequence of what you're arguing, i.e. a chronic problem arising from production levels etc.

On the packaging question I'd have to say I prefer the foam.

 

[Pierre]

Peirre

When did you ever hear me complain about resale value of a K&C item? My complaint is with this hideous method of packaging and the damage, inconvience and expense, both in time and money, it can cause collectors and dealers. I am a collector who buys K&C because I enjoy collecting quality items, items that don't come with chipped paint! That is and always has been my stand.

Fred

Hi Fred,

You never said anything against the secondary market and you never questionned the motives of the others to do it. I did not named names (and will not) but doing it, you surely won't be in. Sorry that you had think, only one second, that I was referring to you.

Sincères amitiés,
Pierre.

 

[Firebat]

I got into 1/6th Military Figures a while back, and I have some exclusive items...What have they done lately....Down Hill......I got into NASCAR Diecast a while back (HOT_HOT_HOT).....What did they do when NASCAR gained in popularity....Down Hill BAD ....... I have been into HO Trains for a long time and they started to do different numbers on Freight Cars and Engines a while back, to improve collectability and realism.......What have they done lately......UHH.......Eventual overproduction, stemmed by greed and lack of early retirement of products produced those senarios......................????????

 

[jazzeum]

Brad I sight 5 examples just reciently and you ignore the information????

Pierre hit the nail on the head, on any given item when two or more bidders

are interested prices can go through the roof.....that is an example not to

be considered a trend.

My point was the secondary market is being affected as Pierre stated by

a lack of retired items, higher production, and in the longer run new

packaging. I don't have the answer but the question certainly needs to be

asked. A strong secondary market is important for two basic reasons.

1. It attracts new people to the marketplace.

2. It helps justify intelligent collectors continued participation in the hobby.

Now I know as Pierre stated some people will rush to say they don't care

about "value" for the items they add to their collections.......I find this

a silly statement. Everyone no matter their current economic situation should

be interested in how they spend their money. It has been my personal

experience that people with the least tend to spend the most. Once you

have the ability to purchase anything you want you become much more

selective.

Njja

I cited two in the opposite direction and here's some more. The DD 38, which was retired not that long ago, has been steadily climbing to where it's hit between $150 and $160. IWJ 02 recently exceeded $200, first time it's ever been there. AK 20 has recently hit $240 and $300. Earlier this year it was around $200. So that's your five to my five. What does it prove? Not sure it proves anything. In addition, the WS 37 you pointed to had a starting bid at $295. That's too high a price to attract bidders.

Your argument revolves around a couple of points: first, that when two bidders on an item fight it out on an item, that's an anomaly. Secondly, because Andy hasn't retired items lately, the secondary market will decline.

As to your first argument, whether it's two, four or eight bidders fighting it out, when an item hits a new level, that's often your new base for measuring future prices. It's irrelevant how many bidders bid on an item. What's relevant is the final price. You can't draw distinctions around the number of bids or bidders or all such statistics become meaningless.

Secondly, your argument boils down to this: unless you have a consistent pattern of retired items, the secondary market will weaken and, by extension, shrivel away. Newly retired items never increase significantly at first, e.g. WS 43. What WS 43 is doing has no affect on what an Arnhem piece is doing. In fact, there is AN 001 on ebay now and at $405, it's doing better, much better, than that item normally does. There is really no correlation between the prices older retired items realize and a consistent pattern of retirements. The older items are always going to bring good prices.

However, I do agree with you that you do need a steady flow of retirements so that's there more to choose from. New collectors, however, are purchasing the newer items and once they get introduced to King and Country, then buying the older items.

 

[OzDigger]

I would say that the new wire tie packing will have some effect on the resale value of K & C polystone vehicles. However I feel the packing impact will be minimal compared to the increasing competition from other manufacturers such as Honour Bound etc. It's a strange thing, but the more options buyers have, the more choosy they become.

A year or so ago it was mainly K & C with some Britains. Now we have FOV, Honour Bound, Figarti etc and their products are usually better than current K & C armoured vehicles and far superior to most of the earlier retired K & C polystone vehicles. Yes, there are a number of dedicated collectors that buy K & C only but their numbers are declining because people want to get better detail for their money.

In any case, collecting booms always end in a bust of some sort, and it's clear that the demand for most retired K & C pieces is declining. As with most collectables the low production runs and otherwise desirable pieces will continue to fetch reasonable prices but the ordinary items will continue to decline in value below their original RRP. Thats just how these things develop if a company remains in business for long enough and continues to issue pieces based on a finite number of prototypes such as military vehicles.

In the long term it makes no difference if the production runs are low or Strictly Limited if you prefer. For example, five slightly different versions of a Tiger tank at runs of say 1,200 each results in 6,000 K & C tigers. Just how many versions of a Tiger tank will most collectors want? Clearly most will want the most attractive or rarest version, the remainder will become also rans. Yes, there are other prototypes to choose from but the German tanks are the most popular, followed by US, British, Japanese and Russian.

 

[Njja]

I cited two in the opposite direction and here's some more. The DD 38, which was retired not that long ago, has been steadily climbing to where it's hit between $150 and $160. IWJ 02 recently exceeded $200, first time it's ever been there. AK 20 has recently hit $240 and $300. Earlier this year it was around $200. So that's your five to my five. What does it prove? Not sure it proves anything. In addition, the WS 37 you pointed to had a starting bid at $295. That's too high a price to attract bidders.

Brad my wife once sold a Steinbach Nutcracker on Ebay for $1025 because

two guys went nuts, the going price for that item was $250. We had a while

ago a WS05 2 man set bring $598 that did not establish a price, the next time

one sold it brought only $210. Consistancy establishes prices, and the WS37

you mentioned is a prime example. It has sold for $228, $279, $299, $342

$465, $485, $501, $510, $512 and $645 that is a fine example of an

established piece. When no one is willing to spend $295 on a boxed example

we have a little problem.

Firebat brought up interesting information on items he has collected, very

interesting information. I begain with my comic books saved from my youth,

then switched over to Lionel Trains & related items Dinky Toys, Plasticville

ect. I never collected anything made after 1964, and I always, always did

very well. I did not do it to become wealthy, I just wanted to save some

things from my youth to pass on to my children & grandchildren.

I never ever fool with anything new, matchbox, nascar, anything later then

1964. I have had friends tell me about their Nascar items worth $$$$ I don't

doubt it, but anything made today is being put away by the thousands.

I never bought King & Country as an investment, I simply liked the product,

I never sold a piece for a profit, selling a lot of my early stuff for $90 just to

buy a newer piece I liked. As the secondary market grew it gave many of us

the opportunity to "Trade" (sell an item - buy another) items we had missed

or simply been unaware of.

For the first time I have begun to collect newer items.........I really know

better, but I thought this was different!

Increased production, running items for years until even your dog has a

couple, these are all the same mistakes countless manufacters have made

for the last 40 years.......even the US Mint made coins until they are now

virtually worthless.

I bring this up because I have seen it countless times before, coins, stamps,

baseball cards, die cast, nascar, beany babies, the list is endless.

King & Country could be better then this, they have really taken the military

miniature marketplace by storm........or they could simply add their name to

the list above.

Njja

 

[Pierre]

Right now, a WS47 on eBay at $172,50 with 4 hours to go Two guys who wanted to be the highiest confused: )bidders (can't stand to see the name of the other one in front, no matter how much it will cost) and a seller who drools.

I am sorry but that item, over $150,00...

Pierre.

 

[jazzeum]

I can't say that price, as of right now, is outlandish. The price on this one seems to go over all the map.

 

[Firebat]

Firebat brought up interesting information on items he has collected, very

interesting information. I begain with my comic books saved from my youth,

then switched over to Lionel Trains & related items Dinky Toys, Plasticville

ect. I never collected anything made after 1964, and I always, always did

very well. I did not do it to become wealthy, I just wanted to save some

things from my youth to pass on to my children & grandchildren.

I never ever fool with anything new, matchbox, nascar, anything later then

1964. I have had friends tell me about their Nascar items worth $$$$
Njja

NASCAR is a total bust, check EBAY, especially items from the past, lets say, 8 years. Even Dale Earnhardt stuff. A friend of mine does a lot with old Lionel Trains he said in a recent conversation, that they are getting a little weird. I did a brief jaunt into comic books, a Superman series. I could probably use them for toilet paper now, and I paid a lot for them new. As far as this stuff goes it looks to me like the stuff from 2 years ago and back is OK, but I am not sure of the newer stuff. I just bought the M8, DD34 and I could have bought the Jimmy all brand new for regular price. That is why I am doing dioramas and rubbing dirt into them for more realism. The more a product gains popularity the more Greed sets in. That was the basis for all of the senarios I mentioned above. Alex

 

[vandilay]

You guys all raise some interesting points re the value of modern
day collectables, We recently had an article in our local paper
from a guy who ran a secound hand /antiques store and he
also reeled of a list of things that had gone boom to bust incl
royal dalton plates,old video games etc etc.
I guess with K and c etc it will play out over the next 12 months,
especialy with release of the panzer meyer set.
I personally feel it is unrealistic to expect the value of recently retired
pieces to go up immediatly,over time maybe but not straight away.
I do agree that over production will damage the secounary market,
just look at britains production in the 80/90s .
I also feel though that their will also only be a small number of
collectors who go after the rarer old pieces anyway,$800 or $1000
dollars for a set of toy soldiers is daft in my book.
None of this will stop me buying i,ll just be more selective with my
purchases realising if i come to sell them i,ll lose money.

 

[Njja]

Yes collecting is very interesting, I started selling my original comic books

at a comic show in NYC at the old McAlpine Hotel. All I did originally was

consolidate what I had down to what I wanted. Since it was nearly impossible

to find old comics after I sold off what I didn't want I stopped.

One day I drove past an antique store and saw a few Lionel Tranins in the

window. I went in and bought a crane car and caboose to put on my desk.

A couple of weeks later I passed the same store and went in and talked to

the owner. His name was John Maurer (the most honest person alive). I asked

him where he got his trains, he said people just brought them in the front

door. I asked him if he would buy them from me and he said "sure"

I put an add in the local paper (this was in 1974, Lionel went out of business

in 1964) there were no price guides or information on the trains at that time.

Soon I was bringing John boxes and boxes of trains. One day he said "Stop"

"Where on Earth are you getting all this stuff"? He couldn't afford to buy

any more so I asked him what were we going to do? He said I could leave

the new items, and he would sell them for me for a 10% commission.

Man I thought I was in big trouble, I made a list of everything I gave him,

and figured I would never see a dime. A week later my ads had produced

even more trains so I went back to John's store. I walked in and he said "I

was just going to call you" I sold some of your items, and he handed me a

wad of cash. I brought in the new stuff, wrote it all down and off we went.

About a month later I put my list away for good (I reciently found it 48

pages full of trains) because every time I walked in the shop John handed me

more and more cash. We became partiners, and using my comic book

experience we begain to promote shows. Bruce Greenberg (of Greenberg

price guide fame) was one of the guys that did our shows. He used to drive

up to N.J. from Maryland and take two tables. Bruce sold paper goods,

instruction sheets, repair sheets all paper items, never any trains. He would

go through boxes buying various paper items for .10, or .25 then make

copies to sell at future shows. He first hit is big by reproducing a couple of

really old Lionel Catalogs and selling them for $10 apiece. Soon his publsihing

empire took off and he was telling everyone how much their trains were

worth! As the train market place grew he became legendary people would

walk up to your table at York look at your item, then pull out their "Greenberg

Price Guide" and tell you what your item was worth. A lot of us thought it

was quite funny......the guy that never sold any trains now told everyone

how much their items were worth. Most of us would say well why not go buy

it from Bruce?

Biggest mistake I ever made was taking a pile of dough and moving to Florida.

I left my partner John and moved down to the land of sunshine, sand, and

ruthless con-men!


Njja

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

I just received my German motorcycle & sidecar set. I'll say it again, I LOVE THE NEW PACKAGING ! Mine arrived in perfect condition. Which sadly I haven't been able to say to often about recent sets I have received in the old packaging ! I think I can actually get more distance with the new packaging too as I throw it in the dumpster It gives the box a better spiral for more distance.

 

[vandilay]

Yes collecting is very interesting, I started selling my original comic books

at a comic show in NYC at the old McAlpine Hotel. All I did originally was

consolidate what I had down to what I wanted. Since it was nearly impossible

to find old comics after I sold off what I didn't want I stopped.

One day I drove past an antique store and saw a few Lionel Tranins in the

window. I went in and bought a crane car and caboose to put on my desk.

A couple of weeks later I passed the same store and went in and talked to

the owner. His name was John Maurer (the most honest person alive). I asked

him where he got his trains, he said people just brought them in the front

door. I asked him if he would buy them from me and he said "sure"

I put an add in the local paper (this was in 1974, Lionel went out of business

in 1964) there were no price guides or information on the trains at that time.

Soon I was bringing John boxes and boxes of trains. One day he said "Stop"

"Where on Earth are you getting all this stuff"? He couldn't afford to buy

any more so I asked him what were we going to do? He said I could leave

the new items, and he would sell them for me for a 10% commission.

Man I thought I was in big trouble, I made a list of everything I gave him,

and figured I would never see a dime. A week later my ads had produced

even more trains so I went back to John's store. I walked in and he said "I

was just going to call you" I sold some of your items, and he handed me a

wad of cash. I brought in the new stuff, wrote it all down and off we went.

About a month later I put my list away for good (I reciently found it 48

pages full of trains) because every time I walked in the shop John handed me

more and more cash. We became partiners, and using my comic book

experience we begain to promote shows. Bruce Greenberg (of Greenberg

price guide fame) was one of the guys that did our shows. He used to drive

up to N.J. from Maryland and take two tables. Bruce sold paper goods,

instruction sheets, repair sheets all paper items, never any trains. He would

go through boxes buying various paper items for .10, or .25 then make

copies to sell at future shows. He first hit is big by reproducing a couple of

really old Lionel Catalogs and selling them for $10 apiece. Soon his publsihing

empire took off and he was telling everyone how much their trains were

worth! As the train market place grew he became legendary people would

walk up to your table at York look at your item, then pull out their "Greenberg

Price Guide" and tell you what your item was worth. A lot of us thought it

was quite funny......the guy that never sold any trains now told everyone

how much their items were worth. Most of us would say well why not go buy

it from Bruce?

Biggest mistake I ever made was taking a pile of dough and moving to Florida.

I left my partner John and moved down to the land of sunshine, sand, and

ruthless con-men!


Njja

what a great way to make some money, Lionel trains dont have a big
following here marklin and hornby seem to hold the lions share of
collectors.
Is the Lionel market still fairly buoyant ,ive often wondered
what happens to collectors markets ,be it trains or soldiers when
companys go out of buisness and the guys who collect them start
to drop out of the collecting game for what ever reason.

 

[jazzeum]

Great story John. You probably ought to write a book about your experiences.

Getting back to higher prices. I was just updating my lists and saw in ebay stores an 88 WS 57 gun that sold for $400 on a buy it now and an AK 24 that went, also on a buy it now, for $299. That's big money.

 

[Alexdakar]

What about WS05. Those two figures went for $500 today.

 

[jazzeum]

Just saw that one. Pretty unbelievable. But then it went for $598 in November. So what can you say except a la Chinatown: "It's just ebay, Jake, it's just ebay."

 

[Njja]

what a great way to make some money, Lionel trains dont have a big
following here marklin and hornby seem to hold the lions share of
collectors.
Is the Lionel market still fairly buoyant ,ive often wondered
what happens to collectors markets ,be it trains or soldiers when
companys go out of buisness and the guys who collect them start
to drop out of the collecting game for what ever reason.

Very interesting question, Lionel trains have 3 basic catagories:

1. Pre-war Standard Gauge

2. Pre-war O Gauge

3. Post-war O Gauge.

Pre-war Standard Gauge were the trains of our fathers and grandfathers

fairly rare as many were melted down for the war effort. These were the

trains far to expense for the average collector with the Top of the line State

Set worth up to $25,000. We all tried to add a piece or two to our

collections.

Pre-war O Gauge was also rare but not as valuable, and you could find it on

occasion. We all had a fair amount of it on our shelves.

Post-war O Gauge was very popular the trains of our youth, fairly easy to

find even though back then we used catalogs obtained from buys to

determine how long a particular train had been made to determine if it was rare.

We all put together some beautiful collections, then you could upgrade at

the big York PA show and buy yourself some "Standard Gauge"

Now here is the answer to the second part of your question....current

values.

As the age of current collectors rose large "Standard Gauge" collections

became available.....but there was little interest because none of the

current younger collectors had ever seen them before. So now "Post War O

Gauge is popular and rising in value, a lot of newer collectors even buy the

"New Lionel Remakes" of Classic Pieces (in my opinion a total waste of

money) these sets cost thousands why not just buy the original classic

piece?

Smart money will always buy the truely rare original pieces, and right now

Standard Gauge is a good buy.....but it is fragile, and must be handled very

carefully.

Myself, I have had it all, many years of wonderful buys, great friends, and

wonderful memories. Here are just two of them!

One winter night about 7:30 pm the phone rings and a person asks me if

I'm the guy buying Lionel Trains? Seems he has a giant steam engine and

three cars in blue....would I be interested? The number on the engine is

400E and he is about 6 blocks from my home.

This is 1975 and the 400E in Blue is the Famous Standard Gauge Blue

Comet the second rarest set you could ever find. Worth in nice original

condition out of a private home manybe $5000 to $10,000. Now before you

get excited I have answered several calls like this one, directing me to

vacant lots and the cemetary on occasion from my competition!!

But I decide to take a chance, it is snowy and cold and I only had a couple

of hundred on me so I call my dad who lived a few blocks away and ask him

if he wants to tag along.....and bring his wallet!!

I pick up dad and go to the address, a man shows us to his basement and

there on his pool table sits an original Standard Gauge Blue Comet!.

Okay now the hard part, he tells me he is taking offers, and has written a

letter to Frank Sinatra (a big train colldector) and he will take my offer.

I tell him I don't make offers, I simply buy, if a person wants to sell. We

seem to be getting nowhere and Dad is getting annoyed he tells me "Lets

Go"

But I stop, and ask the fellow what prompted him to decide to sell the

trains? I want a color tv! Okay, I say, if I traded you the tv would we

have a deal? The fellow asks me where I'm going to get the tv he wants?

I ask him how much it costs? He tells me its $650. I tell him thats an awful

lot of money! "Well he says I want $650 and not a cent less" he states.....

to which I reply "Dad pay the man please"

And that was one of my best Standard Gauge Rescues!

Here is another story I hope you enjoy:

My partner John and I were sitting around our shop in N.J. one friday night

with a group of our regular customers, it was about 6pm and we were

getting ready to close. One of our customers Eddie Rowe a heavy

equiptment operator, rapid Lionel fan, and bitter rival to my partner John

was there busting balls as usual. The phone rings and I pick it up.....its a

fellow with two 4X8 tables of Lionel trains he wants to sell....tonight.

He starts reading me off numbers and over the conversation I'm calling

them out to my partner John to see if any of them mean a trip to this

fellows home. Back then there were no guides, but we kept lists of rare

pieces that our customers or we needed for our collections or the shop.

Now Eddie was sharp and quick and he was listening to every number I

called out......he new some of the items before John could find them.

2368....hey thats the B&O F3........2373......are you kidding me? Thats the

Canadian Pacific! 614.....the Alaskan switcher! A motorized unit 57...

......no, no thats the Great Northern Snow Rotary Snowplow.

Meanwhile I'm telling Edie to shut up cause I can't here John. I ask the

fellow if there is anything else and he says he has one set that he got

when he was older and never used it....but he would sell that also with the

layout the engine number was 2329 heck I knew that one myself. I calmly

called over to John he has a boxed set with a 2329 the Virginian Rectifier.

Edie about passed out.....he said to the other guys we must be doing

something wrong these two clowns have people calling them with this stuff

how is that possible????

Well of course it could be a hoax....as stated above I had my share of trips

to the cemetary. John and I closed up, were very careful to lose Edie who

tried to follow us and took John's beat up old truck to South Amboy N.J.

The fellow that answered the door was a little older then us maybe 28 or

29. He lead us to a beautiful garage with painted floors and an older corvette

sitting in the corner. We walked over to a room off the garage and there

were the trains on two 4 X 8 boards just as he stated. As usual John had

about $5 on him.....he was the master of the fundless buy....but I was

prepaired. We talked a bit, the fellow wanted everything removed tonight,

and he wanted a pool table this was to be his new pool room. He told me

the price of the pool table and I paid him and he and his wife went to get us

something to drink and some boxes to help carry everything. I was thrilled!

our best buy ever! Enough stuff to fill the store......but John was a wreck!

He couldn't believe it....he just wanted to go! "They are going to throw us

the hell out of here".....he keep repeating!......Look at that Vette........

"They are going to throw us out any minute" Relax John I said pointing out

the rare B&O F3 engine...look at this beauty!

"Just load it in the truck before they come to their senses" he replied!

I pointed out every rare piece, including many not mentioned earlier...it

was a beautiful collection......and I thought John was going to have a

stroke!

When I picked up the boxed Virginian Rectifer Set it was to much....he

had to go sit in the truck to calm down! It was really funny. The fellow

was very nice, he didn't know what to do with the trains, didn't want to

pack them up and was quite pleased with the prospect of buying his new

pool table in the morning.

John and I got everything in his old van (which now was more like a wells

fargo truck) and had lots of fun displaying the items in our shop.......John

finally got the best of Edie.........and I mean did he!

Njja

 

[Eazy]

The motorcycle I saw in a K&C stockist today had a chunk of paint missing and the metal showing through.
Nice model but for the money we pay the packaging should reflect both the quality of the item and also guarantee it reaches us in perfect condition.

Also saw the SP gun. Again nice model and the figures of of the usual K&C high standard but......

I just can't get over the way it's a Panzer Lehr vehicle being crewed by guys in their finest SS camoflage. I'm passing on this one because i really don't understand why K&C have chosen to do this.

Call it artistice licence if you want but basically it's just plain old innacurate.

If K&C really wanted crew in SS camo why not just make it a SS vehicle as opposed to making a big point of it being Panzer Lehr?

This has been raised before but I don't think K&C has ever responded to it.

 

[Pierre]

Just saw that one. Pretty unbelievable. But then it went for $598 in November. So what can you say except a la Chinatown: "It's just ebay, Jake, it's just ebay."

Brad, Alex,

Check who are the bidders. If one guy doesn't bid on an item, it just don't "get off the ground"; see the WS24(W). Try to beat him, impossible. He has decided that he wants it. Obviously, money is no problems.

Now, for the WS47, I am not sure that "3902 wesley" is so happy that "dav x6" had bid that amount of money, like that, "out of nowhere". Is he a "false bidder" (enchérisseur fantôme)?

Pierre.