New Tiger what do you think? (1 Viewer)

[Harrytheheid]

Harry- I don't quite follow your point. As I said, it is my preference that the tank not have so many dinks. Others may prefer it this way and KC can do whatever they want. How about stating a preference if you have one?

Sorry Combat, I ought to have stated that my preference is for the AFV's to have appropriate weathering in the paintwork.
My point was that it looks to me like, no matter what they do, K&C simply can't make everyone happy.
You, and anyone else for that matter, are perfectly entitled to have your own preferences, but I can't see how any manufacturer can cater for everone's desires. Maybe HB is the way for you to go?
Cheers
H

 

[jazzeum]

Since it appears that what I found about DAK is at odds with what appears to be authoritative sources, I was wrong (wasn't the first and probably won't be the last ).

Regarding the use of the tank number and color, here's what we should do. Harry, Louis and every other buyer, we should immediately cancel our orders and demand a refund

 

[unglesbeemj]

Brad, I think for most of us, if I take myself as an example, the fun of looking up the unit insignia and markings, paint schemes, and other charactoristics, is almost as fun as collecting the thing itself. I am a history major, with WW2 as a focus. I only collect K&C for so many of the reasons cited elsewhere on this forum - so I am a diehard loyal K&C fan. And for me, collecting K&C allows me to stay connected to my passion for history, and often learn new information in the process of checking details found on the various sets. I don't mind an inaccuracy here and there - in fact the thrill of finding the answer from my history books just fuels the fire for my love of collecting toy miniatures. But maybe we could do with a thread dedicated to those of us who really love the historical details of the K&C pieces, to allow us to debate such and such a detail? Mike

 

[uksubs]

Since it appears that what I found about DAK is at odds with what appears to be authoritative sources, I was wrong (wasn't the first and probably won't be the last ).

Regarding the use of the tank number and color, here's what we should do. Harry, Louis and every other buyer, we should immediately cancel our orders and demand a refund

The Market Garden Rec jeep not right but i still went out & got it , but at £175.00 you would think the Tiger tank would be right

 

[maddadicus]

I have learned so much about the legitmacy of my vehicles, here on the forum. It is a pleasure that so many can attach a time ,place, and even an actual campaign, to most any vehicle we buy now..If we can calmly discuss the history of why our K/C piece can or not exist as a model of the real thing, in a civil manner and not as a rant, we all benefit, as more knowledgeable collectors. I am sure that some ( like me )will still collect, because of the "purty colors-s-s" and crap hanging from every surface of the tank, but I have noticed an increasing number of newer members and some of the forum vets, taking more notice of ," did this vehicle actually exist ",versus the old days of buying because of the set #, and the fact that we really liked painted hunks of polystone, for their paperweight value Maybe Andy ought think about doing better research or seeking out, through Louis, some of our forum experts for their knowledge of real numbers, applicable camo and such..Bet, he would like to wake up most any mornings and find not one nitpicking post about anything K/C.....NAH! ,Michael

 

[uksubs]

I have learned so much about the legitmacy of my vehicles, here on the forum. It is a pleasure that so many can attach a time ,place, and even an actual campaign, to most any vehicle we buy now..If we can calmly discuss the history of why our K/C piece can or not exist as a model of the real thing, in a civil manner and not as a rant, we all benefit, as more knowledgeable collectors. I am sure that some ( like me )will still collect, because of the "purty colors-s-s" and crap hanging from every surface of the tank, but I have noticed an increasing number of newer members and some of the forum vets, taking more notice of ," did this vehicle actually exist ",versus the old days of buying because of the set #, and the fact that we really liked painted hunks of polystone, for their paperweight value Maybe Andy ought think about doing better research or seeking out, through Louis, some of our forum experts for their knowledge of real numbers, applicable camo and such..Bet, he would like to wake up most any mornings and find not one nitpicking post about anything K/C.....NAH! ,Michael

Can i just say that i've not been ranting , but just stating Facts
I think looking at books & comparing it with the model is part of the fun

 

[Louis Badolato]

I for one love learning all this stuff. I think I have learned more history, particularly technical information about vehicles/weapons/uniforms on this forum then I ever did in school. On the other hand, do I really care if a particular tank number didn't exist in a particular unit? Not particularly. And as to other accuracy mistakes, learning about them is great - it actually gives me something more to discuss about my collection.

 

[jazzeum]

Notwithstanding my earlier sarcastic remark (my apologies if I offended anyone), I'm probably somewhere in the middle between Michael (maddadicus) and the realists.

My father was a history major at CCNY and taught history part time so my interest in history came naturally and I had hoped to be a history professor but life's realities got in the way. I started collecting as a way to illustrate what I read and K & C, more than any other company (in my opinion) does that better. I was never thus that concerned about the finer points.

However, as time goes on, the finer points are obviously important and when someone says something here I try to look it up and hopefully get the right answer.

Any manufacturer should try to get it right (especially as they will get called out on it if they don't) and I think it would not be a bad idea if K & C could have a panel of experts that they could call upon (such as Gary Binder in the American theatre). Do I think K & C will do this? No, not really but it will make for interesting topic of discussion at the next Symposium.

As you know I'm an attorney and early on in my career I learned that the "devil is in the details." This applies to all walks of life.

As I said the finer points are important but they shouldn't be determinative. I won't go as far as Louis to say I don't care if the right color existed or that number tank did or didn't exist but I'm close. It certainly doesn't diminish my enjoyment of a piece.

 

[damian]

When our hobby was about toy soldiers accuracy concerns were not paramount. That was left to the military modellers and boy could they have arguments. I remember in Military Modelling reading some bitter correspondence about the flag carried by the Sultan who sacked Constantinople in 1456. This was in the days before e mail so those guys really were passionate. However the trend seems to be towards this becomming a hobby of military miniatures so therefore accuracy starts to become important. Personally I am a toy soldier collector so aesthetics is my main concern, but I do agree with those who feel that for the prices being asked for then they would like accuracy to imporve. K and C has always tried to keep up with devlopments and I am sure that accuracy will become more important for them over the next few years.
Regards
Damian Clarke

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

I checked some of my books and find no reference to this exact model tank in the real world either. But you have to admit the red numbers do look cool

 

[OzDigger]

I don't mind the minor details being incorrect such as the wrong coloured numbers on a tank, but I do expect vehicles etc to be the correct colour and relevant to the period.

 

[Harrytheheid]

I don't mind the minor details being incorrect such as the wrong coloured numbers on a tank, but I do expect vehicles etc to be the correct colour and relevant to the period.

Kinda agree with you to a certain extent Oz.
AFV's should be correct colour and relevant to the period - but don't we sometimes forget that these offerings are additive to the TS that we all love to collect? And we don't need to buy them if we don't like them?
Don't want to start up yet another controversy and I do see 100% where you and others are coming from, but surely if absolute accuracy is sought for, then the 1/35 model market is the place to be.
Just my 2 dollars worth (keeping up with inflation here).

BTW I love the quote from Slim in your signature.

Cheers
H

 

[uksubs]

Kinda agree with you to a certain extent Oz.
AFV's should be correct colour and relevant to the period - but don't we sometimes forget that these offerings are additive to the TS that we all love to collect? And we don't need to buy them if we don't like them?
Don't want to start up yet another controversy and I do see 100% where you and others are coming from, but surely if absolute accuracy is sought for, then the 1/35 model market is the place to be.
Just my 2 dollars worth (keeping up with inflation here).

BTW I love the quote from Slim in your signature.

Cheers
H

I agree with you when you say if you don't like it you don't have to buy it ,
You say to get accuracy you need to make models but this is not true when the likes of Dragon & Minichamps can make a die cast tank & it can be the correct colour & it only cost £45.00 /£60.00 to buy
In K & C defence the book did say that other reference books have made the same mistake about the red makings
This does not make K & C tiger a bad model in my eyes

 

[Eazy]

I agree with you when you say if you don't like it you don't have to buy it ,
You say to get accuracy you need to make models but this is not true when the likes of Dragon & Minichamps can make a die cast tank & it can be the correct colour & it only cost £45.00 /£60.00 to buy
In K & C defence the book did say that other reference books have made the same mistake about the red makings
This does not make K & C tiger a bad model in my eyes

Good point Subs. I've got the Dragon Armor 1/35th Tiger and it's an awesome thing. I've also got the Minichamps verson in dunkelgelb which I pretend is sandy for the desert . It's not an early version Tiger though.
Best Tiger i have is Figarti's beast. But that's the favourite thing in my collection along with K&C's Winter Tiger.

So onto K&C's desert Tiger. It's just what I want. Yeah I know it shouldn't have the palmtree symbol but it looks a bloomin sight cooler with it on.

 

[Combat]

This may be the proper marking for the 501 Panzer Abteilung. Interesting also that there is some debate as to the paint color. Some tunisian tigers are reported to have been dark grey or green.

 

[jazzeum]

I have read that some were olive green as Tunisia has different kinds of vegetation.

 

[rws591]

I saw the tiger in flesh and i liked it alot. the poses are all great except for the one with the Jerry can which is marginal. The only thing that im am disappointed about is the fact that so many people are buying multiples of the tigers to sell after they saw the success of the winter tigers. I personally will be purchasing two ,but because im going to have a little diorama not so i can sell one later. I predict that the after market of this item will be very poor for a while since so many people are going for a quick buck and the market will be flooded, in fact i hope it is poor. Collect because you like it not because you want to make money off of it

 

[OzDigger]

Kinda agree with you to a certain extent Oz.
AFV's should be correct colour and relevant to the period - but don't we sometimes forget that these offerings are additive to the TS that we all love to collect? And we don't need to buy them if we don't like them?
Don't want to start up yet another controversy and I do see 100% where you and others are coming from, but surely if absolute accuracy is sought for, then the 1/35 model market is the place to be.
Just my 2 dollars worth (keeping up with inflation here).

BTW I love the quote from Slim in your signature.

Cheers
H

I'm not sure what you're getting at there Harry. As I said before I'm getting this Tiger despite the minor issues such as the Afrika Korps Palm Insignia etc.

I guess I should have explained in my post that my correct color comment was in general terms rather than specific to this tank. For example I feel that the wrong coloured vehicle in the last Strictly Limited set, being The Assassination of Heydrich (WS104SL), can at least partly explain its apparent low popularity. Which more or less confirms your comment that people don't have to buy sets they don't like it.

 

[Harrytheheid]

I'm not sure what you're getting at there Harry. As I said before I'm getting this Tiger despite the minor issues such as the Afrika Korps Palm Insignia etc.

I guess I should have explained in my post that my correct color comment was in general terms rather than specific to this tank. For example I feel that the wrong coloured vehicle in the last Strictly Limited set, being The Assassination of Heydrich (WS104SL), can at least partly explain its apparent low popularity. Which more or less confirms your comment that people don't have to buy sets they don't like it.

Okay Oz. Fair Comment.
Cheers
H

 

[redhugh]

It arrived , can still smell the paint , put a plastic bag around the tiger , stuck my head in and was sniffing the paint for ages when I eventually came down off the paint finally had a look at the tiger

Tiger is cool...The gun barrell is really mean looking, the identification flag and the red numbering add a splash of colour to it , which it needs considering the uniform colour of the tank, (so definetely in favour of the red numbers accurate or not), figures are great, I disagree with critisisms of the jerry can guy, think he's a great chracter with dogtags and white vest, nice proportions to the tank, turret properly dominates.

Also got the Russian tank in same delivery, surprised me as to how good it was, don't think the pictures on the website do (did) it justice, consider it a minor work of art, even though wife liked the tiger , was much more impressed with the russian tank...