New Warbirds on King and Country Site (1 Viewer)

jazzeum said:
Harry,

I understood what you were trying to get at. Maybe Louis is just getting up:D

I think Pierre's answer sums it up for me. You can't justify it. However, when I walk into the room (the music room as I call it, since it also has my CD player and speakers in there) where I have a lot of my K & C and I see my Typhoon and Whirlwind on opposite sides of the curio cabinet, I feel good. I just love and have always loved model airplanes, being, for some reason, partial to the English ones (must be the insignia).

I didn't get this bug until I met Louis at the first Symposium in 2005 and saw his planes and was just blown away. That did it for me.

I hadn't counted on purchasing any of the new issues but when I saw that Royal Navy Hellcat, I said "darn, that is great." Unfortunately, I didn't get it but settled for the French Hellcat. I'm so excited that I can't wait for the thing to get here and couldn't sleep that well. Unfortunately, I don't get the same rush anymore from the normal K & C issues, maybe it's because the planes come out so rarely.

I hope that explains some of the mindset of us War Bird nuts.

As an aside, I think the new ones are having a definite impact on the market for the old ones. When you can have ones like these, why go for the old ones.
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Thanks for the response Brad. I can't really describe why I like The Charge so much. Its each to their own preferences I suppose.
Cheers
H
 
Harrytheheid said:
Thanks for the response Brad. I can't really describe why I like The Charge so much. Its each to their own preferences I suppose.
Cheers
H
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Harry,

I think that's what collecting (whether it's toy soldiers or not) is all about. It's a visceral thing. You don't know completely why you like it, you just do.
 
I kinda feel like a lot of this is about a real dearth in anything really new and exciting from K&C, what they put out is great, but the vast majority is additions to lines that have been going for years. Very mainstream, safe, nice additions but simply will not generate the kind of excitement that the originality that items like these bring to the table.
I know I've been uninspired lately.
Ray :rolleyes:
 
Does Andy design the planes like he does the soldiers? Or is he going to a company that already has done the design and he is just remarketing them under the King and Country label at a markup? I guess my real question is how much of the planes is really "King and Country"?
 
Personally - I think it great that Andy and K&C have a winner with their "limited" Warbirds.

I wish that he would look towards his other customers who make up the larger share of his customer base and offer us a more reasonable version of a WARBIRD. How about something for the masses?

Congrats to the high-end collectors of Warbirds ! For me - I perfer that cost to go towards building entire range purchases (Napoleonics, Crusaders, ect...)

But, I would like to buy a mass produced Warbird.

I guess Andy's thinking on WARBIRDS have gone the way of HB Production Ideas. - Thats a Shame - IMHO.
 
Ron,

I don't believe Andy has said that he's just going to make high end planes and nothing else. He's been looking for quite awhile for a factory that can make more affordable planes but to a high standard but hasn't found that one yet.

Also, a lot of us who buy these planes are part of the so called "masses." We all have our collecting priorities. Some people would rather buy these while others would rather buy JJD, for example. Nothing wrong with that; it's whatever makes each of us happy.
 
I've been collecting diecast model aircraft for years and these recent warbirds look better to me than the warbird models released a few months ago. I'm not sure why, maybe the panel lines are lighter than before. When the panel lines are to obvious it tends to make the model look more amateurish.

If I was collecting this range I'd go for McCambell's Hellcat, Minsi III (AIR031B).
 
jazzeum said:
Ron,

I don't believe Andy has said that he's just going to make high end planes and nothing else. He's been looking for quite awhile for a factory that can make more affordable planes but to a high standard but hasn't found that one yet.

Also, a lot of us who buy these planes are part of the so called "masses." We all have our collecting priorities. Some people would rather buy these while others would rather buy JJD, for example. Nothing wrong with that; it's whatever makes each of us happy.
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Brad

Calm Down :rolleyes:

This wasn't a commentary on other collectors - this was the fact that there are no affordable Warbirds on the market.

And by the looks of it - Andy is filing the needs of a small group of collectors - which is fine. He has a business and right now he is focused on the higher end collector.

As for the rest of us - who do NOT buy single items for $700 + - I was simply stating that we would like to collect some Warbirds too.

I dont quite understand why you are attacking me or my post. I also dont remember directing my comments at anyone or a group of people either - it was a statement which has been discussed before by others.

Ron
 
I'm a little puzzled about how I was attacking you or your post :confused:. I said nothing about you and certainly nothing of a personal nature and if you took it that way you have my apologies. Nothing was intended that was intended to give offense.

You made a comment and I made an observation. It is true that there are no Warbirds under $695 on the market. It would be great if Andy could find a factory that could make ones at good quality at a reasonable amount of money. In my opinion, he hasn't forgotten the collectors who don't want to pay this much money.
 
I seem to recall a Rommel Storch under $300 was intimated, or it may have been wishful thinking on my part :D
 
Ron
As far as K and C goes I think they have to follow the old addage
You can please all of the collectors some of the time
Some of the collectors all the time
But you cannot please all of them all of the time
I cannot remeber which American politician said that but I think he was a Republican
:):)
Regards
Damian
 
damian said:
Ron
As far as K and C goes I think they have to follow the old addage
You can please all of the collectors some of the time
Some of the collectors all the time
But you cannot please all of them all of the time
I cannot remeber which American politician said that but I think he was a Republican
:):)
Regards
Damian
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Phew....Now isn't that the truth....!!!!
Cheers
H
 
damian said:
Ron
As far as K and C goes I think they have to follow the old addage
You can please all of the collectors some of the time
Some of the collectors all the time
But you cannot please all of them all of the time
I cannot remeber which American politician said that but I think he was a Republican
:):)
Regards
Damian
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LOL :)

Damian - isnt that the truth !

I am not one to throw stones (or boulders like some) at King and Country or Andy - but, I would like to have a Warbird or two in my collection.

With all the things I need to still get in my collection in all the ranges I collect - I just can't come to buy one Warbird for major $$$$. I willing to take the next step down in production quality for the smaller price - but to send out $700 + .... for one plane ? Well doesn't work for me.
 
Capitolron said:
LOL :)

Damian - isnt that the truth !

I am not one to throw stones (or boulders like some) at King and Country or Andy - but, I would like to have a Warbird or two in my collection.

With all the things I need to still get in my collection in all the ranges I collect - I just can't come to buy one Warbird for major $$$$. I willing to take the next step down in production quality for the smaller price - but to send out $700 + .... for one plane ? Well doesn't work for me.
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Ron, Take a look at Franklin Armour.....1:48 scale.....a little smaller but pretty good quality......I have a B-25 die cast model.......I think its pretty good; Price is within reason.....Die cast direct.....Regards Vezzolf
 
I am somewhat puzzled by the inability of K/C to find a suitable factory...I believe that their are a number of high quality wooden airplane dealers out there, that offer top of the line products for about $200..Motion Models come to mind. I understand that Andy is pushing the feature envelope with the clear cockpits and such, but I am a simple guy, who was ok with the gunk in the polystone tank tracks and still believes the painted in cockpits add to the mahogany airplane charm...I would be willing to accept a mass market dummied down warbird with paint in cockpit...Throw in a couple of figures and charge me $200 for a limited edition line and I am so there...What I am saying is that ,even though there are mfg. alternatives to K/C for warbirds, they will never be K/C warbirds to his collectors....Michael
 
Capitolron said:
This wasn't a commentary on other collectors - this was the fact that there are no affordable Warbirds on the market.

Ron
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IMHO, there is a lot of affordable Warbirds on the market.

A simple research (google) and I found the followings manufacturers:

http://www.allwoodwings.com/

http://www.modelairplanefactory.com/

http://www.warplanes.com/

http://www.scalecraft.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=281

http://www.aviationmodelworks.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2


And there is more. No need to thank me, it is always a pleasure to help a fellow collector.

Have a nice day,
Pierre.
 
Following up on Pierre's post, there is an ebay seller, emodelairplanes, who looks like he has some things. I had looked at his things in the past before Andy started making the new ones. Here's one for a Storch. He's got some really nice things, which are tempting, and a very good rating: only two negatives, with over 2500 transactions.
 
I think the blame or the credit for the new War Birds belongs to Louis.
When i saw his models two years ago and again last year i was overwhelmed with their majestic appearance.To me it brought back memories of when my father would bring me a plywood Strombecher balsa wood model and i would spend a month with my exacto knives trying to make the piece of wood look like an airplane.
There is no explaining why each of us reacts so strongly to one K&C product or another,but if we read the forum that fact becomes quite obvious.
I fully empathize with those who want a more reasonably priced Warbird and hope the different views on the subject wiill not divide us as a group w:D:Dho love this hobby,
After all Ron, i would love to have a complete set of Andy's Napoleonics,But in fact i have none.
"C'est la Guerre"
Harvey
 
I know that Andy has had several trevails in finding a reliable factory to produce affordable warbirds for general production. In all honesty, I know the subject matter was highly controversial, but I thought the polystone Rammjager was well done, and perhaps the answer is polystone aircraft with clear canopies (like the rammjager). I know this would only work with small planes like fighters and spotter aircraft, but it would at least permit for some affordable warbirds, and perhaps the production of pilots, groundcrew, and airfield accessories.
 
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