Next KC Limited Edition (poll) (1 Viewer)

[arnhem44mad]

What about an american jeep with a 30. calibre machine gun on it????

Might not seem great, but I don't think K@C have ever made an American jeep with a machine on it!!!

They could put a general in it: Patton, Eisenhower, or even a British general!!!

They could even make it into a American North Afrika jeep!!!!!

 

[hoogri]

Make some trucks for the yanks , germans or britsh troops.
no tiger no sherman but some new models .
everbody has his favourite models .
for my i like andy make a dutch daf m 39 armoured car and troops mei 1940 .
so be patient and perhaps andy make the models we want .

richard

 

[Louis Badolato]

I hope you're right. Louis. Any well made Tiger will sell and every toy soldier company should have one in it's lineup at all times and the same goes the Sherman and the Panther too. There's lots of Panther aces, especially from the eastern front, with huge kill numbers that could be subjects of SL editions.

Fred

Fred,

I hope I'm wrong. Quite frankly I am all Tigered out, and would prefer to see Andy spend some of his creativity bringing out one of the literally dozens of German and Allied vehicles he has not yet (or at least not recently) addressed. The Monty 8th Army M3, a Long Range Desert Group Ford or Chevy truck, one of those Open Turreted German vehicles with the four flak guns, a Cromwell, heck even a German or British truck like an Opel Blitz or a Bedford, would all make me much happier than another Tiger. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Combat]

With the possible exception of an AK Tiger, I agree that we have had enough KC Tigers and Panthers for a while. If the Russian JS 2 is too obscure for a limited edition run - which I don't really believe - it is a real beast that deserves to get made at some point for the Berlin line.

 

[Rob]

I think a Grant would be a good choice,would also love to see a Churchill Crocodile or a Sherman flail tank.As someone said earlier i don't think it will be an 88mm, but would really like another of these from K&C at some point in the future.I think it was Stevio who suggested earlier something from the Falklands,however i just don't see this having the popularity of the WW2 stuff.However it would be a nice salute to it in this anniversary year.

Rob

 

[Wraith]

I agree about the possible lack of popularity with a Falklands range, but I would love to see one. This has hardly been touched by any of the manufacturers to my knowledge. Perhaps this would make a good UK release.

Maybe I'm wrong, would this just be likely to sell in the UK or would others be interested?

Simon

 

[Rob]

To be honest Simon i don't think it would sell much here in the UK.Rightly or wrongly it just doesn't capture the imagination like WW1 or WW2.Sad but probably true.

Rob

 

[Wraith]

To be honest Simon i don't think it would sell much here in the UK.Rightly or wrongly it just doesn't capture the imagination like WW1 or WW2.Sad but probably true.

Rob

Limited run of 3 sets then?

 

[boot51]

My guess is we can all ramble on, speculate, grovel, hope for, beg for, wish for, plead for or demand whatever we want to as far as a limited edition goes, and maybe Andy will use some of the ideas to put into his regular production lineup, but in the long run he'll probably stick with a winning formula that he knows will sell and that is take a highly recognizable vehicle and team it with a notable personality and add a few figures and that will be the next strictly limited edition....................so we're all agreed then, it's Monty and a M3. ..... Just speculation of course.

Fred

 

[panda1gen]

Make some trucks for the yanks , germans or britsh troops.
no tiger no sherman but some new models .
everbody has his favourite models .
for my i like andy make a dutch daf m 39 armoured car and troops mei 1940 .
so be patient and perhaps andy make the models we want .

richard

I'm with you on this for the FOB range, FJs and Dutch armoured car plus some troops for Nijmegan bridge 1940?

 

[nmrocks]

I Think the next, or one of the next SL's will be the Storch, limited numbers and super interest. The Storch could never be a general release item due to cost and aparent production limitations. The problem will be distribution and how to allow collectors to get first shot ahead of investor-speculators.
Ray

 

[OzDigger]

In response to Pat and Oz, I don't know why Andy chooses to make very popular subjects as "Strictly Limited", but look at his track record: a Stug IV, a Winter Tiger, Rommel's Grief, the Normandy Panzer Meyer Command Halftrack, the Patton Sherman. These are all sure hit big sellers. If Andy stays on this course, its going to be something popular. I like Boot51's guess: the Monty M3 would be just the sort of big seller Andy would make a strictly limited. It would also go with his personality theme (Rommel, Meyer, Patton . . .).

Louis, clearly making popular subjects in 'Strictly Limited' editions maximises the interest in the set and ensures it sells out fast. However, that method goes against the interest of collectors making such practises rather suspect imo.

In fact, if K & C issues a Rommel Storch as a 'Strictly Limited' set the only conclusion I can make is that K & C are only interested in making a quick buck rather than satisfying customer needs. I would be more inclined to make a Rommel version of the Storch an ongoing set because it has long term popularity. With say a 'Mussolini Rescue' version as the Strictly Limited edition because of his lower popularity.

Despite what some collectors and hard core investors have said about the Panzer Meyer set, I feel 1250 was about the right number. With a set that has a vehicle most people are after the vehicle plus say two to three figures rather than the six figures that came with that set. The reason it has been a relatively slow seller is the number of extra figures with a resulting high RRP.

Of course Andy could rightly respond that he has been selling this stuff successfully for so long, making different opinions irrelevant - but does it.

 

[wadepat]

Louis, clearly making popular subjects in 'Strictly Limited' editions maximises the interest in the set and ensures it sells out fast. However, that method goes against the interest of collectors making such practises rather suspect imo.

In fact, if K & C issues a Rommel Storch as a 'Strictly Limited' set the only conclusion I can make is that K & C are only interested in making a quick buck rather than satisfying customer needs. I would be more inclined to make a Rommel version of the Storch an ongoing set because it has long term popularity. With say a 'Mussolini Rescue' version as the Strictly Limited edition because of his lower popularity.

Despite what some collectors and hard core investors have said about the Panzer Meyer set, I feel 1250 was about the right number. With a set that has a vehicle most people are after the vehicle plus say two to three figures rather than the six figures that came with that set. The reason it has been a relatively slow seller is the number of extra figures with a resulting high RRP.

Of course Andy could rightly respond that he has been selling this stuff successfully for so long, making different opinions irrelevant - but does it.

Oz,

Your perspective on this issue closely parallels my own. Fortunately, you are able to articulate the points more effectively than I can.

I also think it is interesting to note that Louis seems to have retreated from the "must be a big seller" stance to one of "check the record." His latter statement is true, but it is not necessary for K&C to always produce a strictly limited set that is an immediate big seller. Serious collectors will almost always purchase the strictly limited edition sets provided the production numbers are reasonably determined (IMO).

Further, I think you are correct concerning the value of producing larger quantities of big (popular) sellers for a longer period of time. To do so would maximize profits, and satisfy a larger number of collectors. There might be a downside, however, for those collectors who hope to earn higher returns when they place their items for sale on the secondary market.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat

 

[Louis Badolato]

Louis, clearly making popular subjects in 'Strictly Limited' editions maximises the interest in the set and ensures it sells out fast. However, that method goes against the interest of collectors making such practises rather suspect imo.

In fact, if K & C issues a Rommel Storch as a 'Strictly Limited' set the only conclusion I can make is that K & C are only interested in making a quick buck rather than satisfying customer needs. I would be more inclined to make a Rommel version of the Storch an ongoing set because it has long term popularity. With say a 'Mussolini Rescue' version as the Strictly Limited edition because of his lower popularity.

Despite what some collectors and hard core investors have said about the Panzer Meyer set, I feel 1250 was about the right number. With a set that has a vehicle most people are after the vehicle plus say two to three figures rather than the six figures that came with that set. The reason it has been a relatively slow seller is the number of extra figures with a resulting high RRP.

Of course Andy could rightly respond that he has been selling this stuff successfully for so long, making different opinions irrelevant - but does it.

Oz,

Its interesting that you think the Storch will be the next Strictly Limited model. I really hadn't considered Andy doing an aircraft as a strictly limited model. In the past with aircraft, Andy would make a relatively small number, and once they sold out, make more, in either the same or different markings. The ground crew and related vehicles and buildings were also made to demand, not limited. I expect Andy will make a few hundred of the Rommel Storch, and produce more Storch's once it sells out. I think it behoves Andy to sell as much of the Storch and its accompanying figures as he can, because the plan is for additional related releases of ground crew, Luftwaffe vehicles, diorama materials etc. The more Storch's he can move, the more of the related sets he can sell.

I think it is clear that Andy, like any successful business man thinks about the bottom line, but I also think that Andy cares about what his dealers and collectors want (as is evidenced by his responses to both our requests and our criticisms). I was always of the impression that the problem with the SL sets was too many rather than too few being produced. I agree that it is important that Andy look after the true collector more than the speculator, but that is as much in the hands of the dealers as it is in Andy's.

In any event, what do you think he will make as the next SL if he doesn't make an aircraft? I think the Monty M3 would be a great choice.

 

[OzDigger]

Pat, thanks for that, but I think you are the only person kind enough to say that I was an effective articulator because most people reckon I mumble far to much

Btw, my wife says I don't hear to well, but that's mainly because she rarely says anything of interest

Louis, I have to admit I haven't noted on any posts that the Rommel Storch would be a Strictly Limited edition - excluding my ramblings of course.

It's clear that K & C are in for the long haul which is why I can't understand why they often seem to go for the quick sale sets. Corgi have made some terrible sales mistakes over the years, but recently they have changed their ways by making the most popular livery in each mold (aircraft type) an unlimited edition. For example Johnnie Johnson's (Britains top WWII ace) Spitfire is now the standard Corgi Spitfire mold.

Therefore for example if K & C decided to bring out a P-47 in the new range at some stage it would make sense to make Gabreski's P-47 the standard issue, with others being Strictly Limited edtitions. Of course the intended K & C aircraft range isn't the best example to use here as these are most likely to be fairly limited in quantity in any case.

 

[fishead19690]

Rather than those selections I'd rather see a British RHA 18 Pounder........




WELLINGTON

Wellington an 18 pound gun would not be something the the RHA(Royal horse artillary) Would carry around as they were a horse artillary unit meant to be light and fast and move quickly around a battle field or move with cavalry and only had 3, 6, and 9 pounders and some had howitzers and the british army and other armys of the time would only use guns of this size during a seige to destroy fixed fortications as these were very large guns and very difficult to transport and would be unpractical. How about a howitzer instead!!!

 

[sceic2]

The great ideas that you guys have for a new limited edition are all very wonderful.

Having been polite and said the appropriate phrase (see above) (heart felt too I might add), I now must express the opinion that I believe in surprises and I have not, repeat not, been disappointed by any of the new releases that Andy has given us (given: confused: well I guess they are given in the sense of development even if we must pay for them - the very idea, paying for them, hah).

I look forward to the expectation of reading the monthly updates and seeing the new releases as they are announced. And since Andy has done such a marvelous job so far, I trust him to be creative and thoughtful. I vote to leave the choice to him and him alone. That way when he disappoints us, we know who to blame: confused: Not really, I just like what he has done and believe he will continue to do the best by us collectors.

 

[nmrocks]

In fact, if K & C issues a Rommel Storch as a 'Strictly Limited' set the only conclusion I can make is that K & C are only interested in making a quick buck rather than satisfying customer needs. I would be more inclined to make a Rommel version of the Storch an ongoing set because it has long term popularity. With say a 'Mussolini Rescue' version as the Strictly Limited edition because of his lower popularity.
Ozdigger

Why does it have to be a "Rommel" Storch? how about a "Kesselring" Storch?
I'm just tired of the repeats, it's like Barbies.
I thought from all the previous threads that production issues would dictate that Warbirds would not be an open ended situation. If the production will be limited, call it what it truly is "Strictly Limited". Your right, you wanna see a riot, the first warbird as a strictly limited items will have people standing in line for days outside there favorite toy soldier store waiting for that midnight release! Anyone who walks out with a stack of them better be packin heat.
Ray

 

[Louis Badolato]

You guys are conviced the Storch is going to be a big seller. I hope you are right. The quicker it sells out, the quicker we get another plane.

 

[Capitolron]

Thats why I work for a Tank Company - I have Armor to go in and get my Warbird and get out.