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A tale of two cities: it was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
 
What a shame for a game like this to end that way. It probably would have been fitting to have ended in a tie. I'd hate to be that guy right now.
 
I am not giving up on the NFL yet, I still want to see my Niners tonight. However, the only thing worse than the officiating and non-contact etc. is the amount of commercials. I am amazed at how many times the play is interrupted for a commercial break. I can see having commercials after a touchdown, but a new set of commercials after the kick off following a TD? I don't think we are far from having commercials in between each down. I watched the Pats and Broncos tonight and the amount of commercials pretty much ruined it for me.
 
Last night's game was a wonderful game. If you couldn't enjoy that, well, time for another sport.

I can't imagine playing (or watching) in those conditions. Brutal.
 
The only thing worse than the officiating and non-contact etc. is the amount of commercials. I am amazed at how many times the play is interrupted for a commercial break. I can see having commercials after a touchdown, but a new set of commercials after the kick off following a TD? I don't think we are far from having commercials in between each down. I watched the Pats and Broncos tonight and the amount of commercials pretty much ruined it for me.

Funny you mention that as I was at a friends house watching the game last night and his wife said the same thing; she asked is this normally how long a game takes to play and why are there so many commercials?

It was pretty bad, that is for sure..............
 
What a shame for a game like this to end that way. It probably would have been fitting to have ended in a tie. I'd hate to be that guy right now.

Their building a statue of the guy right now down at Gillette Stadium............:wink2:
 
Last night's game was a wonderful game. If you couldn't enjoy that, well, time for another sport.

I can't imagine playing (or watching) in those conditions. Brutal.

I'm stunned that they came back and won in those conditions, outscoring Denver 34-7 in the second half.

And Welker did virtually nothing all game long.

That said, their run defense without Wilfork and Mayo is awful, beyond awful actually, they'd better address that somehow, thought I'm not sure how you can.

Hoping the Chiefs beat Denver next week and Denver then loses another game along the way; if that happens and the Patriots can run the table (which won't be easy with games still left with Miami and Baltimore on the road), they'll have the #1 seed.

At this point, 11 of the 16 AFC teams are sub 500, the AFC is pretty bad this year.
 
Not to be forgotten is how the Broncos blew or the Pats came back from a 24 point deficit. Even had the Broncos won, I think people would still be asking that question. Peyton just doesn't do well in cold.

Had a couple of calls gone their way, the Pats would be 10-1.
 
Peyton just doesn't do well in cold.

Had a couple of calls gone their way, the Pats would be 10-1.

Nope, he's built for a dome, which begs the question what was he thinking going to Denver.

And he's lucky Talib committed a dumb PI penalty on that INT he threw when it was 31-24, that would have iced the game for New England.

And you are right, the Patriots could very well be 10-1, even 11-0 if you think about it.

Not to use injuries as an excuse, but their offense was a train wreck vs the Bengals, they had a first and goal at the 2 and could not score, they lost 13-6, they lost the Jets game on a horrible call and lost the Carolina game on a non call in the end zone, all by a combined 17 points.

The fact that they could be 11-0 and are flawed so badly defensively speaks volumes for how weak the NFL really is.
 
Nope, he's built for a dome, which begs the question what was he thinking going to Denver.

And he's lucky Talib committed a dumb PI penalty on that INT he threw when it was 31-24, that would have iced the game for New England.

And you are right, the Patriots could very well be 10-1, even 11-0 if you think about it.

Not to use injuries as an excuse, but their offense was a train wreck vs the Bengals, they had a first and goal at the 2 and could not score, they lost 13-6, they lost the Jets game on a horrible call and lost the Carolina game on a non call in the end zone, all by a combined 17 points.

The fact that they could be 11-0 and are flawed so badly defensively speaks volumes for how weak the NFL really is.

Speaking of injuries, it seems like the Broncos lose one of their "veteran starters" each game. That is one of those unspoken dangers of being a win now team, older players tend to be more fragile.
 
I would like to extend my sincerest apologies to anyone that wasted their time watching the Monday Night game involving the Redskins. What a terrible example of 'pro' football by the Redskins. It was an embarrassment for Washington and it's fans. Congratulations to the 49er's for winning. Boy, they just need to blow the Redskins up and start over.:redface2: -- Al
 
I would like to extend my sincerest apologies to anyone that wasted their time watching the Monday Night game involving the Redskins. What a terrible example of 'pro' football by the Redskins. It was an embarrassment for Washington and it's fans. Congratulations to the 49er's for winning. Boy, they just need to blow the Redskins up and start over.:redface2: -- Al

Al:

No disrespect but on ESPN they asked what Kaepernick did differently tonight. Ray Lewis pretty much said the biggest difference between this week and the last two weeks was the fact that he was playing against the Redskins. I tend to agree. I will take the win but it really seemed like we were playing a team that thought this was a prea-season game. I hope things get better for the 'Skins soon. A fan base like the one in DC will not sit quietly and accept mediocrity.
 
I would like to extend my sincerest apologies to anyone that wasted their time watching the Monday Night game involving the Redskins. What a terrible example of 'pro' football by the Redskins. It was an embarrassment for Washington and it's fans. Congratulations to the 49er's for winning. Boy, they just need to blow the Redskins up and start over.:redface2: -- Al

I feel badly for you Al, I caught bits and pieces of that game; at one point with about seven minutes left in the game the Redskins had zero first downs in the second half.

As in none.

What happened to them, they were a playoff team last year, they are just terrible.

You and the rest of the fans deserve better, that is for sure.

And that Giants/Redskins game next Sunday night is going to be a feast for the eyes, can't wait.
 
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I feel badly for you Al, I caught bits and pieces of that game; at one point with about seven minutes left in the game the Redskins had zero first downs in the second half.

As in none.

What happened to them, they were a playoff team last year, they are just terrible.

You and the rest of the fans deserve better, that is for sure.

And that Giants/Redskins game next Sunday night is going to be a feast for the eyes, can't wait.
George, the sad truth is that last season was a fluke, fueled by RG3, and everyone knew a repeat was going to be tough. Even if RG3 hadn't been injured, this season was going to be hit or miss. The Redskins simply don't have very good personal, especially to support a learning Qb, and especially with the Shanahan's running things. Just no continuity in any aspect of the game, with the defense, special teams, and the passing game being just awful. Shanahan has worn out his welcome with 3 of his 4 seasons being terrible and his one good year, last year, being an obvious fluke. This whole organization needs an overhaul. -- Al
 
George, the sad truth is that last season was a fluke, fueled by RG3, and everyone knew a repeat was going to be tough. Even if RG3 hadn't been injured, this season was going to be hit or miss. The Redskins simply don't have very good personal, especially to support a learning Qb, and especially with the Shanahan's running things. Just no continuity in any aspect of the game, with the defense, special teams, and the passing game being just awful. Shanahan has worn out his welcome with 3 of his 4 seasons being terrible and his one good year, last year, being an obvious fluke. This whole organization needs an overhaul. -- Al

Worse yet...RGIII is not going to finish the season walking if they don't start blocking for him...that was brutal to watch...he takes a tremendous amount of abuse...
 
George, the sad truth is that last season was a fluke, fueled by RG3, and everyone knew a repeat was going to be tough. Even if RG3 hadn't been injured, this season was going to be hit or miss. The Redskins simply don't have very good personal, especially to support a learning Qb, and especially with the Shanahan's running things. Just no continuity in any aspect of the game, with the defense, special teams, and the passing game being just awful. Shanahan has worn out his welcome with 3 of his 4 seasons being terrible and his one good year, last year, being an obvious fluke. This whole organization needs an overhaul. -- Al
I am not so sure RG3 was the real reason for the team success last year. The biggest difference was they made far fewer mistakes and did not get behind early. Power running teams have trouble when they get behind and the Skins are no different this year. The learning QB problem is nothing new. It is a fact that the most sought after QBs go to the least successful teams from the prior season. Such is the way of the draft. That often means that these teams struggle for several years or that those QBs have to learn faster than others drafted later. Unfortunately for the Skins, the price paid to get RG3 may in fact have been just too high, at least for the short term and while the team has some solid talent at many positions, it definitely has gapping holes at others. Couple that with the salary cap "change the rules" fiasco which cost them some valuable free agents and their lack of success is not surprising.

The change also shows how defenses have adjusted to the more mobile QB offenses using players like both Kapernick and RG3. It further shows that you need to make good decisions as a QB and we are not seeing that from RG3 this year. I always had the fear that he was more a runner than a passer and his passing success last year mostly came when his running caused his receivers to be extremely open. That is not the NFL norm. Good QBs find the open man and make the tight passes work. We are not seeing either from him at that moment. A big arm is nice but other attributes, like accuracy and decision making are far more important. QBs like Brees, Manning, Rogers and Brady demonstrate that nearly every week.

RG3 may or may not have what it takes to become a great QB; at this point it is less than clear that he can become a good QB. He has many talents but he is fragile and his response to adversity this year has been underwhelming. He looked lost last night, as he has for most of this season. Yes the blocking could be better but amusingly it is better than last year. He is just holding the ball to long or making decisions too late. Funny thing is that the Skins best success has come with good QBs, not great ones, with a lot of grit and determination from the rest of the team. I worry that drafting him was yet another example of the grabbing for a quick fix mentality that has left the team without much success for the last two decades. Thus whether RG3 is the right fit for this team remains a real question for me, as it was last year.
 
And that Giants/Redskins game next Sunday night is going to be a feast for the eyes, can't wait.

Only if they're sealed shut.

Harper seems to be right on point.

I only caught the last part of the second quarter and the third quarter but I was surprised to see how the 49ers got Davis alone for the next to last touchdown. At that point, I turned the game off.

49ers still have a tough go of it, being now tied with Arizona. Happily, they seem to be getting Crabtree back in the next week or two.
 
I am not so sure RG3 was the real reason for the team success last year. The biggest difference was they made far fewer mistakes and did not get behind early. Power running teams have trouble when they get behind and the Skins are no different this year. The learning QB problem is nothing new. It is a fact that the most sought after QBs go to the least successful teams from the prior season. Such is the way of the draft. That often means that these teams struggle for several years or that those QBs have to learn faster than others drafted later. Unfortunately for the Skins, the price paid to get RG3 may in fact have been just too high, at least for the short term and while the team has some solid talent at many positions, it definitely has gapping holes at others. Couple that with the salary cap "change the rules" fiasco which cost them some valuable free agents and their lack of success is not surprising.

The change also shows how defenses have adjusted to the more mobile QB offenses using players like both Kapernick and RG3. It further shows that you need to make good decisions as a QB and we are not seeing that from RG3 this year. I always had the fear that he was more a runner than a passer and his passing success last year mostly came when his running caused his receivers to be extremely open. That is not the NFL norm. Good QBs find the open man and make the tight passes work. We are not seeing either from him at that moment. A big arm is nice but other attributes, like accuracy and decision making are far more important. QBs like Brees, Manning, Rogers and Brady demonstrate that nearly every week.

RG3 may or may not have what it takes to become a great QB; at this point it is less than clear that he can become a good QB. He has many talents but he is fragile and his response to adversity this year has been underwhelming. He looked lost last night, as he has for most of this season. Yes the blocking could be better but amusingly it is better than last year. He is just holding the ball to long or making decisions too late. Funny thing is that the Skins best success has come with good QBs, not great ones, with a lot of grit and determination from the rest of the team. I worry that drafting him was yet another example of the grabbing for a quick fix mentality that has left the team without much success for the last two decades. Thus whether RG3 is the right fit for this team remains a real question for me, as it was last year.

Al:

I hate to pile it on but everyone is right and then some. However, the only that I would add is that RG III is probably far down the list of The Skin's problems. It is always easy to blame the QB. I think their defense is atrocious. Kaepernick is not that good, the defense last night just made him look like the reincarnation of Steve Young. They can't stop the pass on any level, their open field tackling is decent at best and their blitz schemes are worthless. In other words, even if RG III was healthy and had a better supporting cast the 'Skins would still be losing except the score would be 42-35 every week.
 

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