NFL 2015 Season (1 Viewer)

jazzeum said:
I read today that Frank Gifford's family did an autopsy and they found that he suffered from CTE. Someone wrote on here they wished that the NFL was like it used to be. This is the reason it can't. When a sport is lethal to the people who play it, how long should it be played before it is outlawed or proper work rules to safeguard its employees are implemented. Had this happened in any other industry, that industry would be in serious trouble.
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In response to the Gifford's family statement, Goodell says we have work to do. I hope these are not just platitudes.
 
jazzeum said:
In response to the Gifford's family statement, Goodell says we have work to do. I hope these are not just platitudes.
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Gifford was in his 80's, and until recently was on TV sounding and looking completely lucid. I think whatever happened he lived a full and very productive life after football. And just about every physically taxing profession has physical after affects on people who do the job. For the money players make in their short careers (which is more than most of us make in our entire careers over 25 or 30 years), I would happily suffer a few concussions. The players today and moving forward know what they are getting into. The game is going to drop significantly in popularity, and the players are going to make less money, if they don't go back the proper rules.
 
Matthew Stafford looked really good today...

granted is was against the Eagles...

27-38 for 337 yards...45 points...5 passing TD's...with 6 dropped balls that never should have been dropped...

I have never seen him play that well...
 
Louis Badolato said:
Gifford was in his 80's, and until recently was on TV sounding and looking completely lucid. I think whatever happened he lived a full and very productive life after football. And just about every physically taxing profession has physical after affects on people who do the job. For the money players make in their short careers (which is more than most of us make in our entire careers over 25 or 30 years), I would happily suffer a few concussions. The players today and moving forward know what they are getting into. The game is going to drop significantly in popularity, and the players are going to make less money, if they don't go back the proper rules.
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You have to be kidding. Some former players can barely navigate through life anymore. They have serious memory loss and sometimes can't do simple functions that we take for granted. Some have headaches so bad they have to stay in unlit rooms for weeks on end without moving. Driving is a hazard because they can't remember how to get from here to there and their families are concerned they will never get home.

Is that the way you want to live? Not being able to recognize your family? Never doing things like tying your shoes? Don't think so.

If any other industry was this bad, like coal mining for instance, comprehensive rules would have been adopted.

I have to question an activity where we get our jollies at the expense of the well being of others.
 
Well I was wrong about Dallas, thought they'd go on a run with Romo and Bryant back.

Good God, they are awful, they positively stink, 17 points off of boneheaded Romo passes in the first half, down 23-3, I shut it off and went back to eating.

They are going nowhere, the 9-7 Giants are winning that dumpster fire of a division.
 
So much for the bookies or experts knowing who would win. Looks like the Cowboys are done; think Romo is gone again. Not a Cowboy fan but you have to sympathize them for what has become a lost year.

I would like to see nothing better than the Patriots and Panthers finish undefeated and meet in the SB so we can shut the mouthes of the Dolphins and their fans once and for all.
 
So in the Packers/Bears game, Tracy Porter barely touches the WR, then picks off a pass, yet is flagged for DPI, no turnover, then two plays later, Lacy scores a TD that was not a TD as he flipped the ball backwards before crossing the goal line.

In the span of a minute, the refs blew two calls that gift wrapped a TD to the Packers.

What a mess this league is, it's becoming totally unwatchable.
 
Warrior said:
So in the Packers/Bears game, Tracy Porter barely touches the WR, then picks off a pass, yet is flagged for DPI, no turnover, then two plays later, Lacy scores a TD that was not a TD as he flipped the ball backwards before crossing the goal line.

In the span of a minute, the refs blew two calls that gift wrapped a TD to the Packers.

What a mess this league is, it's becoming totally unwatchable.
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It is getting to the point that it rivals the NBA as a joke, though not quite that bad. -- Al
 
jazzeum said:
You have to be kidding. Some former players can barely navigate through life anymore. They have serious memory loss and sometimes can't do simple functions that we take for granted. Some have headaches so bad they have to stay in unlit rooms for weeks on end without moving. Driving is a hazard because they can't remember how to get from here to there and their families are concerned they will never get home.

Is that the way you want to live? Not being able to recognize your family? Never doing things like tying your shoes? Don't think so.

If any other industry was this bad, like coal mining for instance, comprehensive rules would have been adopted.

I have to question an activity where we get our jollies at the expense of the well being of others.
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Really Brad?

Tell that to Iron Workers, Construction laborers, Miners, Deep Sea Fisherman, Fireman, Police Officers, Serving Military and countless other far lower paying and less glorious jobs with much higher risks, who are limited to workers compensation when they get job related injuries and disabilities. How many millions of them are there? I should worry about the maybe 100 to at most 1,000 ex-NFL players suffering from disabilities? I should lay out several hundred dollars for a single game for myself and my kids so they can live multi-million dollar lifestyles and see a watered down product? I don't think so. I will save my sympathy for the millions of workers without a choice who are facing much greater risks, hazards and consequences than headaches and post-concussion syndrome.
 
Frankly, I don't give a rats you-know-what, what you do Louis but when people suffer debilitating injuries in their chosen profession, no matter what they do, that should be of concern, especially when it forces them to commit suicide.
 
Then you shouldn't be very concerned with NFL players at all Brad, and a heckuva lot more concerned about you and I, because lawyers are the 4th Highest suicide rate by profession, and NFL players (with a much smaller number or people so each suicide jacks up the rate much more) don't crack the top ten. Doctors, Dentists, Financial Workers, Attorneys, Police Officers, Real Estate Agents, Electricians, Farm Workers, Pharmacists and Scientists all have much higher documented scuicide rates. Rich spoiled NFL athletes just have much more publicity for their post-career disabilities. I work with cases on a day to day basis, appeals from workers compensation, disability and labor law matters, where people are fighting for compensation for catastrophic injuries, mesothelioma, cancers, all work related, all known risks of their far more hazardous professions. Tell an iron worker, whose feet and ankles were crushed by a falling crane, or a sand hog (the workers who build subway tunnels) who developed lung cancer, or a 9-11 first responder whose benefits are at risk of being cut off as he or she is succumbing to a variety of cancers, about your concern for the 1,000 or so NFL players health and safety, but please do it when I'm around. After burying Chuck the other day, while worrying about his wife and two kids future benefits and income, I could use a good laugh.
 
Going back to the games and away from the din of some people, the Bears looked good again last night.

They have now win 3 out of 4 and came close to beating the Broncos last week. Fox has them headed in the right direction and they have two winnable games coming up against the Redskins and 49ers and could be 7-6. I don't think they will make the playoffs but who knows. The former offensive coordinator at Denver, Adam Gase, has done a nice job as has Vic Fangio from the 49ers.
 
Packers are now 1-4 in their last 5; and people need to stop comparing Rodgers to Brady, Brady would have found a way to win that game.

There should be no argument that Brady is hands down the best QB in football, also the greatest of all time.

I say that not as a Patriots fan, but as a fan of the NFL, the train wreck that it is.

And wow where those officials bad last night AGAIN, flag after flag after flag. Tripping; I don't think so, DPI several times, I don't think so.

It's getting worse if that is at all possible.
 
Great quote in the Post's sport section this AM in regards to the NFL this season: "Welcome to the NFL in 2015: a smidgen of excellence, a heap of rubbish, and an abundance of mediocrity. Add in slipshod officiating, a confluence of key injuries, and persistent confusion over a bloated rulebook, and you have all the main ingredients of this aesthetically lousy NFL season." Pretty well nails it. -- Al
 
jazzeum said:
Going back to the games and away from the din of some people, the Bears looked good again last night.
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Man up and say that to my face some time, Brad. And here I thought we were friends. If you disagree argue, only the mind that has runs out of rationale arguments takes shots.
 
Concussion...

Concussion is a 2015 American biographical sports thriller and medical drama film starring Will Smith portraying Bennet Omalu, the forensic pathologist who fought against efforts by National Football League to suppress his research on the brain damage suffered by professional football players.
Columbia Pictures will release the film on Christmas Day, 2015.

A dramatic storytelling depiction of Dr. Bennet Omalu's race against time to publicize CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) in American football players and games and the attempts by the NFL to deny the problem and to disparage Omalu.

just a movie...

but you might find it interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk-1TLVUPZk
 
Louis Badolato said:
Really Brad?

Tell that to Iron Workers, Construction laborers, Miners, Deep Sea Fisherman, Fireman, Police Officers, Serving Military and countless other far lower paying and less glorious jobs with much higher risks, who are limited to workers compensation when they get job related injuries and disabilities. How many millions of them are there? I should worry about the maybe 100 to at most 1,000 ex-NFL players suffering from disabilities? I should lay out several hundred dollars for a single game for myself and my kids so they can live multi-million dollar lifestyles and see a watered down product? I don't think so. I will save my sympathy for the millions of workers without a choice who are facing much greater risks, hazards and consequences than headaches and post-concussion syndrome.
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I agree that when people arrive in the NFL, they should be fully aware, and accepting, of the risks involved in playing professional football. That includes serious head injuries and possible life long debilitation long after their career is over.

The bigger question is the damaage that can/does happen before that point. Children start playing football at an early age and may do so for years without ever being paid for it. So, when football is not a "job" per se, when its "just sport" what does that do to the risk calculation? True, the collisions are less brutal for youth, but their bodies are more fragile. A different kinder, gentler style of youth football does not bode well for the fututre of the NFL.

Kids are legally adults in college. Big time college football players, even those who never make it to an NFL roster, are presumably at elevated risk of brain injury. With all the hype, pressure and huge money incentives to "play with pain" surely some kids make unwise decisions about the sport and their vulnerability, etc.

No doubt NFL players are well compensated, well above levels offerend by most other professions. But does that unlikley pursuit lead kids to make bad decisions to play regardless of the risks? Kids are prohibited from being miners, fireman, etc., precisley because thosse are dangerous jobs. Should kids who have no illusiions about an NFL future play the sport?. Should they assume "high" risk for zero future football payoff? This decision presents the biggest threat to the NFL franchise, IMO.
 
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In making the movie, Sony softened portions of the script to not offend the NFL, even though Sony has no business connection to the NFL. See Makers of Concussion Try to Avoid Angering NFL.

I'm sure that the movie will result in more discussion and awareness about the pros and cons of playing football, and not just in the NFL but all the way down to youth football.
 
IMO, pop warner is where the greatest danger is, childrens brains which are in the development stages are getting rattled around; if it were up to me, I'd eliminate all forms of tackle football until high school, make pop warner flag football where you teach the kids the proper techniques for blocking, running with the ball and passing the ball and worry about tackling later.

Also, the real issues aren't the getting lit up hits, it's the continual smaller pounding the brain takes in practice and along the trenches, ie, the offensive and defensive lines.

I'd also eliminate tackling in high school practices, they should practice in shorts and helmets during week, tackle and hit all you want on Friday night/Saturday afternoon.

It will never happen........................
 
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