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Hello, The prices for toy soldiers seem to keep going up. I realize that increased costs are involved, however, it seems that the baseline price for a new figure will soon hit $50. Is this sustainable? I am interested to hear your thoughts.
Benjamin
 
Hello, The prices for toy soldiers seem to keep going up. I realize that increased costs are involved, however, it seems that the baseline price for a new figure will soon hit $50. Is this sustainable? I am interested to hear your thoughts.
Benjamin

Agreed its not a cheap hobby and yes prices keep raising unlike my salary.

As my budget has shrunk over the years I've just learned to be a little more discerning with my purchases.

Are prices rises sustainable? Who really knows?

What I do know is I can't afford $50us plus figures, let alone $300us plus vehicles.
 
50 dollars for a foot figure is a joke.

The figures quality is more or less the same than 10 years ago. Thay are made in a chain proceeding in China, chunky, easily and fast painted....
The benefits must be huge! The cost of the materials ( made with gold?), and the labor is clearly just excuses. I am happy that I bought what I needed to buy from manufacturers already and the most expensive foot figure i bought by KC I paid 35 euros and it still looks very expensive to me!

As an evidence of my saying, please look at the sculpt and painting of the figure below( painted in Ukraine) that costs 20 euros only!




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The hobby sure was a lot more fun when the prices were more reasonable. So many people have left the hobby because of the prices.

Joe
 
It seems that a thread like this surfaces now and then; people complain about the prices, engage in a bit of handwringing and ask how is such a price sustainable. We then see that the prices are sustainable, so forth and so on. Then a new thread will appear, asking the same questions, ad infinitum.

If people didn’t pay the asking price, manufacturers would have to lower their prices but we don’t see that taking place, do we?
 
It seems that a thread like this surfaces now and then; people complain about the prices, engage in a bit of handwringing and ask how is such a price sustainable. We then see that the prices are sustainable, so forth and so on. Then a new thread will appear, asking the same questions, ad infinitum.

If people didn’t pay the asking price, manufacturers would have to lower their prices but we don’t see that taking place, do we?



Well,it could be that there are less and less costumers and the manufacturers rise more and more the prices to get the same benefits as before....I don't know their bookkeeping, do you?
 
It seems that a thread like this surfaces now and then; people complain about the prices, engage in a bit of handwringing and ask how is such a price sustainable. We then see that the prices are sustainable, so forth and so on. Then a new thread will appear, asking the same questions, ad infinitum.

If people didn’t pay the asking price, manufacturers would have to lower their prices but we don’t see that taking place, do we?

Brad,
I view this as a legitimate, evolving topic.

Joe
 
It seems that a thread like this surfaces now and then; people complain about the prices, engage in a bit of handwringing and ask how is such a price sustainable. We then see that the prices are sustainable, so forth and so on. Then a new thread will appear, asking the same questions, ad infinitum.

If people didn’t pay the asking price, manufacturers would have to lower their prices but we don’t see that taking place, do we?

If you're not interested in the topic then why post here Brad??

It seems recently you're more inclined to 'poke your head in the door' in such threads to add very little other than to annoy.

Just because you find the subject boring doesn't mean others don't.......what's the big deal?

There are plenty of newer members on here that haven't been around quite as long as you that find this stuff relevant and interesting to discuss.
 
Like others, I wish that toy soldiers cost less, but they don't. I've just become more selective in what I buy. I don't necessarily think that increased prices signal the end of the hobby. I'm a 26-year old collector, and when I bought my first King & Country figures (American War of Independence British redcoats), they cost $21. Now the Napoleonics that I purchase cost more than double that. Prices have gone up, but that certainly hasn't dampened my enthusiasm for the hobby. I will continue to collect King & Country and others regardless of the price per figure, just in lesser quantities.

Brendan
 
Like others, I wish that toy soldiers cost less, but they don't. I've just become more selective in what I buy. I don't necessarily think that increased prices signal the end of the hobby. I'm a 26-year old collector, and when I bought my first King & Country figures (American War of Independence British redcoats), they cost $21. Now the Napoleonics that I purchase cost more than double that. Prices have gone up, but that certainly hasn't dampened my enthusiasm for the hobby. I will continue to collect King & Country and others regardless of the price per figure, just in lesser quantities.

Brendan

Great post Brendan, I think that hits the nail on the head. Well said. :salute::
 
My initial post was spurred by EBAY, where I noticed that some vendors were selling new WB product at a 25% discount. Hence, I wondered if there are enough collectors in the current economy to support the expanding range of manufacturers, especially when prices are near $50 per figure infantry figure. Obviously, you can find figures for less, however, I was and am interested in others opinions.
Cheers,
Benjamin
 
My initial post was spurred by EBAY, where I noticed that some vendors were selling new WB product at a 25% discount. Hence, I wondered if there are enough collectors in the current economy to support the expanding range of manufacturers, especially when prices are near $50 per figure infantry figure. Obviously, you can find figures for less, however, I was and am interested in others opinions.
Cheers,
Benjamin

Would agree TS collecting is a niche hobby which only appeals to a certain few. In saying that prices generally reflect the cost of production and current demand.

Going by range and depth of new ranges and the second-hand/pre-owned market, the hobby still appears to be flourishing.

For some $50us per figure clearly isn't an issue.

I think the people who could answer your question more fully would be the TS companies themselves. However doubt any would respond for obvious reasons.
 
I have great respect for everyone’s opinion on this topic.

The one thing I disagree with is the correlation and comparison between price increases and quality. I think the quality has greatly increased along with packaging, shipping etc.

It is also worth noting that most, if not all of the things I buy have increased in price with no increase in quality. From staples like bread to postage stamps I continually pay more for the same product without any improvement to the product.
 
All,

In a niche market (like toy soldiers) customers will pay for what they want for niche products as they are not needs. The needs vs. wants is a staple in our psyche and is only available to those who have the disposable income to do it. I want a 1965 Buick Riviera Gran Sport, black on black...but I don't need it. I need to truck for work though. Vehicles too are a needs vs wants dilemma and there are niche market cars as well.

I remember as a kid needing clothes, but wanting the fashions that all the popular kids wore. I got the needs as that is all my ma' could afford and mix matched the same jeans and shirts to make them carry me for the week so I didn't look like I wore the same outfit twice. Thank god I joined the JRROTC and got to wear a uniform once a week so I didn't have to stress about an outfit for one day.

Anyway, I dropped a couple of songs in December for some figures from Vietnam...I wanted a Christmas and Birthday present to myself and needed them for my office cases, who are lonely by the way. How about them apples on my justifications for needs and wants? Oh, and didn't scoff at the price or craftsmanship neither.

A song I tell ya...a song, and can't wait to show them here.

John from Texas

PS: Panzer the only food I keep on eye on for costs is Avocados. The price of Avocados is important and to me a temperature gauge as to whats going on with the international food trade between us, Mexico and South America. I'm worried and an looking to grow my own Haas Avocado tree in the event of a doomsday Avocado scenario. Trade wars, disease, etc. That would be...catastrophic...at least for me. How is man to live with out guacamole? Its a horrible thought....a nightmare.
 
I thought I'd throw my .02 cents into this, speaking from the other side of the fence, ie, as a dealer for 26 or so years.

Some good points have already been made, but for what it's worth; yes, the prices on toy soldiers and just about everything else has gone up.

That said, so has the quality of toy soldiers; both the sculpts, paint jobs and packaging, something you can't say about the price increases on many other things.

Has the market/collector base shrunk over the years? Hard to really say; if you base it on this forum participation, there are many members who used to post here and no longer do, have they dropped out of the hobby? Also, pre COVID, the attendance was dropping at all the toy soldier shows I attended.

However; speaking only for myself, sales are still strong, last year despite COVID and all the challenges presented, I did very, very well, 2021 is starting off very strong, just had my best January in over 10 years, February is very strong as well about halfway through.

There are a number of other platforms out there; Facebook, Pinterest, Ebay, Etsy, etc, etc, that are all strong and robust, participation on some of the Facebook Toy Soldier/Modelling/Military Miniatures/Wargaming pages I am on is very strong.

The average cost of a figure today is about 45.00 give or take, some are less in the 40.00 to 43.00 range, others are more in the 47.00 to 49.00 range.

All I can say is if toy soldiers were sitting on manufacturer and retailer shelves collecting dust, the prices would obviously come down, but they are not.

That said, First Legion has been running a sale for close to a year, many bargains to be had, plus K & C reduces the prices on end of run figures as well.

The monthly releases from TGM and JJD get gobbled up month after month and production runs sell out quickly; again, if toy soldiers were overpriced, that would not be happening.

For the most part, again speaking only for myself, my customer base has absorbed any price increases and my long time, loyal customers keep buying month after month after month.

If W. Britain figures are being blown out on Ebay at 25% off as mentioned, that is on whatever dealer is doing it, if they are having trouble moving product, then order less, problem solved.

As consumers, everyone has the right to buy what they want when they want based on what they can afford. Many of my customers have a strict "toy soldier budget", many others do not, it is all up to each person.

If there are those who are fed up with price increases and "buy less/cut back/reduce the number of figures I am buying" then good for you, if you can only afford to spend "X" amount each month on toy soldiers and prices go up, then naturally you are going to buy less soldiers, but you are still spending the same amount of money; the only thing that changes is the number of figures you buy, not the amount you spend.

If the price of gas goes up, I don't drive less, I spend more at the pump; if the price of groceries goes up, I don't eat less, I pay more at the store.

Toy soldiers is totally different; it's a luxury, not a necessity. If the prices go up and you can only afford to spend "X" each month, you're still going to spend "X", but instead of 10 figures a month added to your collection, now there are 7 or 8.

I don't have a "toy soldier" budget; I buy what I want when I want, I love the hobby, love to collect and display, I get a lot of enjoyment out of it, I'm not going to deprive myself of something I enjoy. Prices for 20mm figures has gone up as well (as many of you know, that is what I collect), but that has not stopped me from collecting.

In the end, everyone is free to make their own choices based on their disposable income.
 
Like others, I wish that toy soldiers cost less, but they don't. I've just become more selective in what I buy. I don't necessarily think that increased prices signal the end of the hobby. I'm a 26-year old collector, and when I bought my first King & Country figures (American War of Independence British redcoats), they cost $21. Now the Napoleonics that I purchase cost more than double that. Prices have gone up, but that certainly hasn't dampened my enthusiasm for the hobby. I will continue to collect King & Country and others regardless of the price per figure, just in lesser quantities.

Brendan


Very true, when I started, at age 4, prices were $5 per figure. Today at 47, lot different. I still love the hobby, I just focus more on subjects that I really like.

TD
 
All,


John from Texas

PS: Panzer the only food I keep on eye on for costs is Avocados. The price of Avocados is important and to me a temperature gauge as to whats going on with the international food trade between us, Mexico and South America. I'm worried and an looking to grow my own Haas Avocado tree in the event of a doomsday Avocado scenario. Trade wars, disease, etc. That would be...catastrophic...at least for me. How is man to live with out guacamole? Its a horrible thought....a nightmare.

I have a good avocado tree that bares a lot of fruit. During the season I give a lot away. So I gave my Mexican friend a paper bag and told him to go pick avocados for myself. He says, where's the avocado tree? I said, right there. You don't know what an avocado tree looks like? He says, no man, I'm from south Texas. Talk about stereotypes. I learned a lesson, cause I just assumed that every Mexican knew what an avocado tree looked like.
Likewise, I listen to the Dave Chang podcast, which featured David Choe. So Choe related a story about how Anthony Bourdain wanted Choe to take him to a LA restaurant where Choe grew up. Thinking that the restaurant would be some mom and pop Korean eatery, Bourdain's spokesperson was surprised when Choe answered, you want me to take him to Sizzler?
 
I have a good avocado tree that bares a lot of fruit. During the season I give a lot away. So I gave my Mexican friend a paper bag and told him to go pick avocados for myself.

I meant to say, to go pick avocados for himself.


Totally glossed over that faux pau! Only after you pointed it out that I found that to be funny as hell and I could see how that could be totally taken out of context, misconstrued or what ever.

Or

A freudian slip? HAHA!

No harm no foul here brother that is funny how you wrote that, then corrected it! I will laugh about that one for days now.

I wish I was in Maui RIGHT NOW and that story about Choe is funny too. You wonder why and how one would think there is connection cause of how you look or thinking were your from. Boo who, what a slap! AB...RIP.

John from Texas

PS: I wouldn't have to worry about the price of avocados if I lived there and grew my own tree. If I had a tree now, it would be dead from this freeze we are having.
 
Panzer,

I agree the quality has gone WAY UP. If you compare the soldier now to say 20 or even 10 years ago, its like night and day. I am sad that I have missed out on some sets, but I got two kids in college and will be thinning out some of my collection. However, with the thinning comes more room on the shelves to zero in on some sets I have really been after that are a couple of nickels. Needs, wants and priorities.

George, you always tell it like it is and as a dealer you know first hand. Trends, deals, worth and what a customer is willing to pay for an item. To me the market dictates the worth and though I may think I have a rare piece that will fetch a dime, sometimes the market tells me no. On the other hand, there are some pieces that I have zero interest in that fetch top dollar and personally wouldn't collect. Consumerism at its finest and one thing I learned about business is buying habits. They are just as powerful as smoking, I swear. We sometimes get contractors who want a product that we don't sell anymore and FUME because we don't have it. They are used to it, know it and can sell it on a job as a solution. So, we learned that lesson the hard way a long time ago and make sure that when we add or delete a line of products we thoroughly think it through and sometimes reach out to the contractors who we know depend on X product for their work to get their opinion.

Now, our habit is to forecast our customers habits. It can be difficult to play mindreader, but we will do what ever it takes to retain said contractor. Our customers buying habits are so strong that we allow them to do their own shopping when they enter our shop and give them a shopping cart. They know what they need and know where it is at. They get their materials, put it on their account with a job name and off they go. Habits are hard to break and for us, thats a good thing.

Toy soldier habits are the same to me. I see something I like, look at the costs, envision it in my collection and go see my guy to make it happen. Whether the "guy" is a dealer or another outlet like ebay, my nomenclature remains the same and most of it is based on emotion and buying habits. Likewise, trust in the facilitator of that habit like you, the dealer. Which brings me to another point. George I don't think I have purchased anything from you ever. I may have, but remind me of your website address and I will take a looksy and maybe I may change a habit myself.

John from Texas

PS: ZB Lang does NOT have a habit...he has an ADDICTION...and needs counseling, help or sent to a monastery in Spain for a few months for reconditioning. Nah, leave the poor man alone.
 

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