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Re: Figarti & K&C Pacific Products

Hi guys,

First of all apologies for trespassing onto Figarti Territory but I have to disagree with Firebat’s (Alex’s) comment that “the Pacific never seems to get its due.”

Fact of the matter is Alex that the Pacific is just as popular as the majority of collectors want it to be…

Both Figarti and K&C have released over the years quite a number of figures and fighting vehicles aimed fair and square at “The Pacific” and… guess what… there is just not the same interest as there is for European Theatre of Operations… or even the North African Campaign.

It’s not about anyone failing to recognize the “uncommon valour” and sacrifice of the Marines or not producing enough material to work with. It’s all about unfortunately, recognizing the fact that there is less interest in that part of the war… pure and simple.

If there was a huge demand… there would be a huge supply!

Best regards,
Andy C. Neilson
 
Re: Figarti Pacific Products

King & Country said:
Hi guys,

First of all apologies for trespassing onto Figarti Territory but I have to disagree with Firebat’s (Alex’s) comment that “the Pacific never seems to get its due.”

Fact of the matter is Alex that the Pacific is just as popular as the majority of collectors want it to be…

Both Figarti and K&C have released over the years quite a number of figures and fighting vehicles aimed fair and square at “The Pacific” and… guess what… there is just not the same interest as there is for European Theatre of Operations… or even the North African Campaign.

It’s not about anyone failing to recognize the “uncommon valour” and sacrifice of the Marines or not producing enough material to work with. It’s all about unfortunately, recognizing the fact that there is less interest in that part of the war… pure and simple.

If there was a huge demand… there would be a huge supply!

Best regards,
Andy C. Neilson
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That makes sense...............................{sm4}
Plus there was no STUKAS in the pacific....................{sm3}
 
Re: Figarti Pacific Products

should have just sent a PM
Mitch
 
Why?”

Hi Guys, hi Mitch,

What have I said (or written) in my post about “The Pacific” that is so objectionable that it should have been sent by a PM???

Best wishes and happy collecting,
Andy C. Neilson
 
Re: Figarti Pacific Products

I agree with Andy. This is something that comes up all the time as new collectors join the ranks and it's good that he reiterates why.

He has mentioned in the past that he thought they would be sure fire sellers (including the second re-incarnation, which had great sculpting) but they didn't and he was disappointed, not just from a sales point of view but because up to that time they were some of the best figures he'd made.

This has also been reflected in the secondary market, where they have done poorly until recently.
 
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I really like the Pacific theater, but I don't tilt at windmills. Would love to see the PTO done, especially aircraft. Look at the TS manufacturers. If there were enough interest to justify PTO releases, someone would be doing them. It is a hugely unrepresented area, so whoever did it would have the market cornered, still, no one does it. For whatever reason, the PTO just doesn't sell well enough to justify going away from what does sell, the ETO, and sales are the bottom line. I have just come to accept it.:( -- Al
 
Re: Figarti Pacific Products

Hi Gents,

Before we have WWIII I moved this thread out of the K&C area into this area so more folks can take part in the discussion. I think this is an interesting topic and one that I am sure many folks have questions about. I know I thought the K&C sets for the Pacific were very well done especially the Chi-Ha Tank and the Marines.

Dave
 
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jazzeum said:
I agree with Andy. This is something that comes up all the time as new collectors join the ranks and it's good that he reiterates why.

He has mentioned in the past that he thought they would be sure fire sellers (including the second re-incarnation, which had great sculpting) but they didn't and he was disappointed, not just from a sales point of view but because up to that time they were some of the best figures he'd made.

This has also been reflected in the secondary market, where they have done poorly until recently.
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The Pacific Theater and WWII's Russians both are in the same boat. Good, Bad, or indifferent. With K&C's continued improvements in their products(detailed sculpting and painting) if any of these ranges did "Resurface" they would be spectacular. I attempted to add the K&C RA013 T-34 Tank to my collection via ***Bay to give my German eastern front warriors some opposition but lost out as my $328.00 final bid was beaten. I feel the pain of my PTO counter parts.Who knows what the future may bring ^&confuse
 
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I've heard that the Pacific doesn't sell, which I guess doesn't surprise me, but I believe it. I wonder if part of the lack of interest is that compared to the ETO it's pretty Spartan. You don't see the huge expanse of armoured or soft skin vehicles that you see in Europe or Africa.. When one thinks about PTO battles the first thing that comes to mind are island assaults. While there were certainly variations, the perception is of Marines landing on islands honeycombed with bunkers, caves, etc etc. It a lot of ways it was very much a hide and seek type war (not trying to make light of it, understand). There were very few variations of American vehicles on the islands, and seemingly less of Japanese. As such, unlike the ETO where there can be dozens of variants on Panzers and Tigers to make it interesting, that just isn't there in the Pacific.
Another factor is that the Pacific was a sea war. Aircraft carriers sadly do not lend themselves to 1/30 scale. At least for most of us.
But, even when it was occurring, the Pacific was considered a secondary war. It was generally not given the attention or focus of the 'big' war.
Anyhow, I wish there were more things out, but I'm glad for the things that are .
Andy, thanks for the post and comments, btw.
 
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I would love to see a John Basilone figure. Maybe a club figure.
 
Re: Figarti & K&C Pacific Products

It all comes down to supply and demand don't it
Personnally big AK collector, my son loves his german tanks
We never looked at Pacific products. Why, i don't know.
No interest i quess.
I really do respect those who fought in that war
It's like when u say Napoleonic, everybody thinks Waterloo.
Not as much interest in other naps campains
It's same thing when u say WW2, everybody thinks German
The big seller in TS is anything German
 
Re: Figarti & K&C Pacific Products

Something tells me we haven't seen the end of Pacific War releases.

Carlos
 
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KCs last Pacific war series were excellent. I would have bought them all, but could only afford the ETO. In fact, I now regret not getting them. I always believed the Pacific could work, only if the sculpts could convey a desperate beach landing or Banzai attack with individual sets eventually forming one great battle. It would have to be kind of like those Conte playsets with all those neat terrain pieces and bunkers. I know its harder than it sounds. BTW, I think Figarti did great action poses and amtracks with their Pacific series.
 
Re: Figarti & K&C Pacific Products

was K&C not as adament that the Jagdtiger would not be done for what I remeber exactly the same reasons. I think its easier to say they may come at some point as, collector tastes change over time and, new interests arise, than all the absolute no we here.

I also don't really agree that its a restrictive campaign. Nobody is asking for aircraft carriers. I have seen many AFV's from tanks to aircraft that are as varied as their colour schemes so, with a little thought a good range could be made that would look attractive to collectors.

When everyone asks for the pacific immediately everyone asks or thinks of the marines however, a range addressing say the chindits etc would be equally as attractive.

K&C may not do them again but, I would bet money that some manufacturer other than Figarti may have a bash at them
Mitch
 
Re: Figarti & K&C Pacific Products

Maybe yes, maybe no Mitch. Collectors Showcase was thinking about them and even said so here and then backed out to the dismay of some collectors.
 
Pacific Products

Hi Guys, hi Mitch,

Re the Jagdtiger… no my friend I was not adamant that we would not do a Jagdtiger… what I actually said on many occasions was K&C had other priorities… and the Jagdtiger was not one of my personal favourites. We eventually did produce it because it fitted perfectly with our late war Volkstusm figures.

And now…The Pacific… As Mitch rightly says there are other options other than the U.S. Marines… Some K&C collectors already have our Club figures of Field Marshal Bill slim and General Orde Wingate so you never know… do you?

As most of you know K&C is certainly not backward… at coming forward!

Best wishes and happy collecting!
Andy C.
 
Re: Figarti & K&C Pacific Products

If KC ever do re-visit the PTO or Far East, I would LOVE to see an AVG (them Flying Tiger boys) P-40B done in the colors of any of the three squadrons, doesn't matter which. It is THE iconic aircraft from that area of operations and would look great along with an issue of ground crew and civilian airfield workers. Lots of architecture possibilities there, as well. Actually, Chinese civilians and architecture wouldn't be too far of the SOH series that already exists. ^&grin^&cool^&cool -- Al
 
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