Re Releasing Figures & Vehicles (1 Viewer)
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Vicknor
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Mafia? What a monstrous over-reaction although it is the thread for it.
Interesting syntax similarities appearing in some threads
King & Country
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Hi Guys,
Many thanks for your collected thoughts and comments ... As you can read in the varying views on the above subject .... We’re never going to please everyone – no matter what we do!
What we attempt to do is please the majority of K&C collectors ... at least some of the time.
Thanks once more and happy collecting.
Many thanks for your collected thoughts and comments ... As you can read in the varying views on the above subject .... We’re never going to please everyone – no matter what we do!
What we attempt to do is please the majority of K&C collectors ... at least some of the time.
Thanks once more and happy collecting.
Andy
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Not of huge interest to me as there is too much that I want already to worry about re-issues but to be honest, I cannot get fired up over people's concerns about resale value. Unless an item is marketed as a limited edition, a manufacturer should re-issue when and where he sees fit.
wayne556517
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The fun is in the "HUNT".
The Military Workshop
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I noted Chris and Flyboy specifically raised the issue of the WWI British figures being redone in three different Australian battalion versions.
Speaking from experience this was a good move by K&C. Not sure why collectors from Singapore and USA would feel concerned about this issue. However a different perspective might help.
Dealers in each country might have particular subjects that are more likely to appeal to potential new collectors. Some K&C examples are :
Lighthorse in Australia - got many into the hobby and many gone on to collect other series. I believe also sell well overseas.
Danish Guard in Denmark - some may recall the complaints from those clearly not interested but they showed little understanding about how the Danish dealer or Danish potential collectors might feel.
French dealer who did Joan of Arc
It was the previous Singaporean dealer who wanted the Surrender of Singapore set
For the Italian market we have had the Askari
More recently K&C did the Vatican Swiss Guard and again some could not see the point. Selling better than I expected so I guess Andy stuffed up again as far as those who would not buy them are concerned.
No collector who did not like the above subjects had to by them but they were probably appreciated by their local markets.
In relation to the three WWI AIF battalions they were specifically based on states where the three Australian dealers are located. Each battalion significant in their own ways and each served at Gallipoli which helps.
The difference from the original British versions was brown instead of black boots and each battalion had their colour patch. I have no idea of numbers but say for example K&C might normally make 450 in first run. I would guess it is fairly easy to paint 150 of each as only difference is the patch. Look at it from K&C point of view and that is that some dealers might be stocking three versions of basically same figure. Seems smart to me. Some collectors buy the version of the state they are from whereas others might buy from the state where their WW1 family member was from. Overseas collectors might buy based on different reasons.
From the Australian point of view new collectors often start with Australian figures. WWI is huge in relation to the history of Australia and there are major commemorations going on in France at this moment (Fromelles, Pozieres and the Somme) and major press / TV coverage about WWI history. This will continue to NOV 1918. A large part of the population have family members who served in WWI. Re-doing these figures was a very good move on K&C's part.
In relation to other comments about re-paints and statues etc nobody is being forced to buy them (unless you are a collector who feels compelled to buy everything in a series).
Speaking from experience this was a good move by K&C. Not sure why collectors from Singapore and USA would feel concerned about this issue. However a different perspective might help.
Dealers in each country might have particular subjects that are more likely to appeal to potential new collectors. Some K&C examples are :
Lighthorse in Australia - got many into the hobby and many gone on to collect other series. I believe also sell well overseas.
Danish Guard in Denmark - some may recall the complaints from those clearly not interested but they showed little understanding about how the Danish dealer or Danish potential collectors might feel.
French dealer who did Joan of Arc
It was the previous Singaporean dealer who wanted the Surrender of Singapore set
For the Italian market we have had the Askari
More recently K&C did the Vatican Swiss Guard and again some could not see the point. Selling better than I expected so I guess Andy stuffed up again as far as those who would not buy them are concerned.
No collector who did not like the above subjects had to by them but they were probably appreciated by their local markets.
In relation to the three WWI AIF battalions they were specifically based on states where the three Australian dealers are located. Each battalion significant in their own ways and each served at Gallipoli which helps.
The difference from the original British versions was brown instead of black boots and each battalion had their colour patch. I have no idea of numbers but say for example K&C might normally make 450 in first run. I would guess it is fairly easy to paint 150 of each as only difference is the patch. Look at it from K&C point of view and that is that some dealers might be stocking three versions of basically same figure. Seems smart to me. Some collectors buy the version of the state they are from whereas others might buy from the state where their WW1 family member was from. Overseas collectors might buy based on different reasons.
From the Australian point of view new collectors often start with Australian figures. WWI is huge in relation to the history of Australia and there are major commemorations going on in France at this moment (Fromelles, Pozieres and the Somme) and major press / TV coverage about WWI history. This will continue to NOV 1918. A large part of the population have family members who served in WWI. Re-doing these figures was a very good move on K&C's part.
In relation to other comments about re-paints and statues etc nobody is being forced to buy them (unless you are a collector who feels compelled to buy everything in a series).
The Military Workshop
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Fixed your typo for you ^&grin
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As an old time K & C collector (12 years and counting), I think it's nice if K & C could release figures and AFV that have been out of production for a long time. However, I have also found (as have many, I have no doubt) that it's impossible to collect everything.
Whether re-making pieces long out of production) will harm the secondary market (as I'm always pruning my collection) shouldn't be a consideration for K & C; you can't run your business that way.
Whether re-making pieces long out of production) will harm the secondary market (as I'm always pruning my collection) shouldn't be a consideration for K & C; you can't run your business that way.
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Sorry, one parenthetical too many!
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I had to google it as well ^&grin
A parenthetical statement is one that explains or qualifies something. You can call such a statement a parenthetical, (especially when it's in parentheses).
Have you ever said something like "I'm hungry!" and then added "...but I only want French fries"? That second statement is parenthetical: it clarifies the first statement. Just like words in parentheses (like these words) add clarity to a sentence, parenthetical words in speech help make something clearer or give extra information. You can call these statements (or words that actually are inside parentheses) parentheticals; and while parentheticals aren't the most important ideas, they help support those ideas.
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It was not about resale value as far as the Tommies or Germans are concerned. These never really went up much in prices in the first place. These four years are the Centennial years of the Great War. Being big fans of K&C, I guess expectations were running high. Nothing to do with nationalities either, I collect Light Horse as well. If those FW were different sculpts, I would have collected the different states. But, letting you know my choice should not draw flak if you are mature enough to understand what expressing an opinion and giving feedback means. You like it, you buy it lor... (Singlish).
As far as Surrender of Singapore, the Japanese figures of Yamashita and staff got reissued. I guess Japanese figures are getting popular. But FOB080 figures and their poses as is, are really meant to be combined with FOB079. So, maybe FOB079 will get even more highly sought after. But, who knows and who cares, if you already have both sets.
I already have the Matilda. If another one appears, it is likely that I will still buy it if there are some differences. And I have been buying repaints of vehicles. E.g., 3 T34s, 3 38Ts, 2 winterised T34s, as long as it make sense on the diorama. However, do it too much and see what happened to Dragon tanks.
But, as far as figures are concerned, just less receptive. But, the manufacturer (any of them) can do what it wants to do, and if it sells, it is a good biz strategy. Some collectors have feedback to me that currently, it is just harvest time. Perhaps, it was wrong to wish for different sculpts? Wishful thinking?
And someone mentioned to collect shares and trading cards, but I am not sure if these even go up in value. Not so good advice. Stick to toy soldiers.
As far as Surrender of Singapore, the Japanese figures of Yamashita and staff got reissued. I guess Japanese figures are getting popular. But FOB080 figures and their poses as is, are really meant to be combined with FOB079. So, maybe FOB079 will get even more highly sought after. But, who knows and who cares, if you already have both sets.
I already have the Matilda. If another one appears, it is likely that I will still buy it if there are some differences. And I have been buying repaints of vehicles. E.g., 3 T34s, 3 38Ts, 2 winterised T34s, as long as it make sense on the diorama. However, do it too much and see what happened to Dragon tanks.
But, as far as figures are concerned, just less receptive. But, the manufacturer (any of them) can do what it wants to do, and if it sells, it is a good biz strategy. Some collectors have feedback to me that currently, it is just harvest time. Perhaps, it was wrong to wish for different sculpts? Wishful thinking?
And someone mentioned to collect shares and trading cards, but I am not sure if these even go up in value. Not so good advice. Stick to toy soldiers.
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Could the reissue be renumbered or otherwise made distinct by marking the base? That would make it possible to perhaps tell an original piece from a reissue. Jenkins puts the year on the base of his figures so its easy to tell when they were released.
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Interesting thread and feedback, can't say I have any problems with re-issues and to be fair would like to see more.