ROM180-ROM184 Roman Onager and Crew Plus Accessories (1 Viewer)

[FirstLegion]

For our Glory of Rome series, we present this stunning Roman Onager with 3 Crew figures plus some accessories that can work equally well with the Onager set or with the Roman Camp Life figures. The Roman Onager was a siege engine of the period similar in nature to a catapult which used torsion as a force to hurl stones at enemy positions. The stones could be covered in oil or other substance and set alight in order to start fires in enemy towns/villages. We will continue to add additional siege engines to our Roman series, but what will they besiege? The set is available with the crew in both Red and white tunics. To complement the set and our camp life figures we have sets ROM182-ROM184 which are shield/pilum stacks for Legio Minerva and Legio Augusta along with a dedicated pilum only rack. The latter piece can be used in multiples to setup a defensive work as part of a Roman marching camp.

ROM180 Roman Onager with 3 Crew - Red Tunics $349.95
ROM181 Roman Onager with 3 Crew - White Tunics $349.95
ROM182 Roman Shield Stack - Legio Minerva $64.95
ROM183 Roman Shield Stack - Legio Augusta $64.95
ROM184 Roman Pilum Rack with 17 x Pilum $64.95
Ships Early May

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Best,

Matt
First Legion

 

[nysoldiers]

A great piece!
"but what will they besiege?"..........Jerusalem 70AD......

 

[bradleyl30]

Oh, I am in love!

 

[wayne556517]

This would look brilliant set up as alone piece with accessories in a diorama.

 

[Nelson1976]

Looks splendid as always - love the Roman collection.... will we be seeing a shield stack for the Adiutrix?

 

[Vezzolf]

This is a cool piece:salute::....Well done FL.

 

[Dragoon]

Well I'm going to mount my FL onager on top of a Thomas Gunn war elephant. That way the crew can aim their shots by sighting between the animal's two big head bumps.

 

[Gebhard]

Well I'm going to mount my FL onager on top of a Thomas Gunn war elephant. That way the crew can aim their shots by sighting between the animal's two big head bumps.

POST OF THE DAY, LOL {sm3}{sm3} I almost spit out my Kaffee .

 

[mikemiller1955]

Well I'm going to mount my FL onager on top of a Thomas Gunn war elephant. That way the crew can aim their shots by sighting between the animal's two big head bumps.

Ken...
you're too funny!
good one...

 

[Jack]

I would like to see a ban on posts that use yards and feet. All hail the metric system!

 

[FirstLegion]

The onager was being used long before the 4th Century, but prior to the 4th Century it was called by other names such as Scorpio. Onager is simply a nickname for it.


The fact is that no one, not Marsden, not Gallwey, no one knows any of this for sure with certainty simply because there just isn't enough surviving information to confirm it. It's speculation for the most part, yet you speak as if you are an absolute authority on the subject when in fact there is so much conflicting information. I absolutely stand by our version of the Onager and it matches very well with the description by Ammanius. But even Ammanius is subject to speculation because his original work no longer exists and is taken from a 9th century manuscript, 800 years or so after the period we are depicting. Further, even at the time of his writing, he could not possibly be aware of every variant of every siege engine built over the previous 4 centuries as they were crafted by engineers on the spot for the particular use for which they were needed. Sure, his information is what's out there and our model matches his description pretty well.

Anyway, I'm sure this could go on forever as you seem to believe you know everything about everything. But the fact is, you don't, you simply pass yourself off that you do and anytime anyone makes a statement contrary to yours or a valid point against one of your arguments, you gloss it over and move on to something else. So I'm not writing this for you, I'm writing it for the reasonable folks who are here to let them know that you simply are not correct on this. It's impossible to be correct on this as NO ONE KNOWS with 100% certainty, it's all guesswork.

Matt

 

[FirstLegion]

And just to further show that we're apparently not the only ones who think our model is correct....

Roman Catapult Model

This guy builds real models of them. You see his recreation of a Roman "Catapult". Below he shows a medieval one which is quite similar.

But I'm sure this guy, who spends months building these, doesn't know nearly as much as Katana who reads Osprey books and otherwise provides citations to books he's never read. Katana, you should definitely get on his blog and post comments about how wrong his model is.

Matt

 

[braddinpa]

All this talk about fl Romans inspired me to purchase some at the Gettysburg Show from George. And they are outstanding. I will post some pics.

 

[jazzeum]

All this talk about fl Romans inspired me to purchase some at the Gettysburg Show from George. And they are outstanding. I will post some pics.

That just goes to show that any attention is better than none at all!

 

[Panzer ace]

She is right when you say "estoy aburrido." When used to describe someone else, "eres aburrido" (you're boring), or "no seas tan aburrido" (don't be do boring), it's a biting criticism.

My terrible accent and pronunciation were painful to her ears. She cringes when I speak Spanish.

 

[jazzeum]

It's not easy to have a good accent. We moved to Uruguay when I was 6, a perfect age for getting a good accent. We later moved to Brasil and I forgot Spanish and then we moved to Spain and I had to re-learn Spanish. Through all that I always had the good accent. That's something I've never lost, thank goodness.

 

[joesgis]

For what it's worth there are four 54/60mm Roman that Onagers I'm familiar with, and all four are cup style as follows:

Vachruschev (made for Aeroart) I used to own this one but sold it
Russian Vityaz (the classic Arsenyev piece that someday I will add to my collection)
Marco Polo (I have this one, very nice set!)
Andrea (I have this one, great kit)

Aside from my belief that it's unlikely that all of these manufacturers + FL got it wrong, the argument that makes the most sense to me is there is no way of knowing what individual Roman engineers designed in the field for hundreds of years (as most war machines were made on the spot if materials were available). Even if the Romans had a field manual at some point on how to erect on onager, there would have undoubtedly been variations in design and construction. I mean why use a sling if the extra range wasn't necessary? I can't image it being an easier launching mechanism to fashion.
Anyways, how can we really know how each onager was made if we don't even know what colors certain Legions wore or what was on their shields?

Joe

 

[wadepat]

Gentle Friends,

The debate has run its course. In short, the thread has become a dead horse and there is no point in continuing to beat it. Let us all enjoy the hobby in our own personal way.

Enjoy some of the other threads.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat

 

[DMNamiot]

Hello All

After much discussion and as you can see heavy editing I am reopening the thread for discussion on this interesting Roman Weapon System. Keep it civil and all will be well.

dave