Rommel!! (1 Viewer)

[uksubs]

Ok, easy guys. Rommel was a great General but on the wrong side with a retard for a boss,and lets remember he loved his boss when they were winning Whilst he was highly skilled and loved by his men it would be pretty sad state of affairs if we couldn't celebrate the fact he was put out of action by that Spit, he was after all the enemy trying to direct operations against our boys who were fighting to rid Europe of the Nazi's. I think we can all agree on that.

Lets turn the heat down a notch.

Rob

Well said Rob

 

[Rob]

Well said Rob

Sometimes we all lose a little perspective mate, the day we can't celebrate a Nazi General getting one in the skull is a sad one!

Don't take it personal Wayne,after all at the end of the day he was just another Nazi to be beaten:wink2:

Rob

 

[Panzer Meyer]

Nicely done and some great AK sets Wayne .

 

[Northgate Woods]

Sometimes we all lose a little perspective mate, the day we can't celebrate a Nazi General getting one in the skull is a sad one!

Don't take it personal Wayne,after all at the end of the day he was just another Nazi to be beaten:wink2:

Rob

Rob mate,
I take umbridge at the fact that you call Rommel a "Nazi". You need to study the definition of the word and put some perspective in what it stood for. Basically pure hatred. But Rommel was never a member of the Nazi Party.
They were as you so sadly put it were the ones who put one in his skull.
Rommel was a brilliant "German" General, a good family man and a fantastic tactican. The AK were never accused of any war crimes and the Western Desert War was fought as Rommel put it "Krieg Ohne Hass" - War without hate. He refused the Little Corporal's orders to excute allied pow's and also Hitler's orders to execute Jewish pow's. He also kept the SS out of the Western Desert War.

In the words of Winstons Churchill: He deserves our respect because although a loyal "German" soldier he came to hate Hitler and all his works and paid for this with his life."

Cheers Howard

 

[wayne556517]

Rob mate,
I take umbridge at the fact that you call Rommel a "Nazi". You need to study the definition of the word and put some perspective in what it stood for. Basically pure hatred. But Rommel was never a member of the Nazi Party.
They were as you so sadly put it were the ones who put one in his skull.
Rommel was a brilliant "German" General, a good family man and a fantastic tactican. The AK were never accused of any war crimes and the Western Desert War was fought as Rommel put it "Krieg Ohne Hass" - War without hate. He refused the Little Corporal's orders to excute allied pow's and also Hitler's orders to execute Jewish pow's. He also kept the SS out of the Western Desert War.

In the words of Winstons Churchill: He deserves our respect because although a loyal "German" soldier he came to hate Hitler and all his works and paid for this with his life."

Cheers Howard

Well said mate now what do you think of my Dio mate...............

 

[Rob]

Rob mate,
I take umbridge at the fact that you call Rommel a "Nazi". You need to study the definition of the word and put some perspective in what it stood for. Basically pure hatred. But Rommel was never a member of the Nazi Party.
They were as you so sadly put it were the ones who put one in his skull.
Rommel was a brilliant "German" General, a good family man and a fantastic tactican. The AK were never accused of any war crimes and the Western Desert War was fought as Rommel put it "Krieg Ohne Hass" - War without hate. He refused the Little Corporal's orders to excute allied pow's and also Hitler's orders to execute Jewish pow's. He also kept the SS out of the Western Desert War.

In the words of Winstons Churchill: He deserves our respect because although a loyal "German" soldier he came to hate Hitler and all his works and paid for this with his life."

Cheers Howard

Howard,

Lets not get over sensitive about it mate. And thanks for the advice but having studied the conflict since the age of about ten I think I've got a fair grasp of what Nazi's and Nazism meant/means thanks. As has been explained several times on here of late Nazi was/is a term the British people used to describe them all, 'Nazi bombers' 'Nazi Tanks' etc etc .They were fighting for the Nazi's, their ranks were full of Nazi's so I think its valid. I was not talking about the ending of his life either , I was talking about him being put out of action and thus not being involved in the fighting he would have been. Yes I'm sure he was a good family man as I'm sure he came to despise Hitler (after of course being very fond of him), but lets remember he was the enemy and the actions of the Spitfire pilot that day helped our cause a great deal.

All the best Howard, I respect your views greatly my friend,

Cheers mate

Rob

 

[Mitch]

Guys...

From a great diorama That Wayne put on the forum of the DAK came this??

My points now we are discussing Rommel are for Howards reply about him. I have no idea what type of family man he was I have read that he had an affair with a secratery so, to me thats a real family value man. He was a loyal german and when winning the medals and acolades he was as much a fervant supporter as the many who joined the party and was in the SS.

Fortunes of war turned this mind and the fact that they were losing control tactically on the battlefield to some of the strange ideas that Hitler had.

I am always bemused when we talk of a clean war. I always thought and read that this terminology was aimed at the lack of civillians within the main battle areas. From everything I have read and, accounts from troops its rather naive to believe there were no prisoners shot by either side and, accounts of such are documented in oral histories and the like.

As for the decision to not kill jews etc well, one can equally counter this point with the discussions between him, Keital, speer and, his agency when he was placed in charge of the Atlantic wall. He was not in the slightest bit concerned about the lives of the POW's and Jews etc that were forced to work to death building the defences. Indeed, there is sufficient documentation that he actually called for more workers than could be pulled together. Now, thats a caring man if ever I saw one.

I think he was astute and, did not want any war crimes laid directly at his door in the event of losing the war. That is IMO a different issue to not wanting to kill them or, tacitly follow policy.

Please lets not lecture people on decent germans as I said, on another thread about the terminology about Nazi many may not have been party members but were equally responsible for the diabolicle actions of the regime.

Without the support of the Heer and the general staff many of the war crimes would not have been committed by the SS sd and Gestapo. Just because he turned against the fuhrer and, joined a plot negates nothing from the way he acted right up until the end.

I wonder, what we would have thought of him had he managed to counter Hitlers orders when he visited him at the Wolf's lair to regain control of the armies in Normandy?? If they had been allowed to retreat and regroup as he wanted. I would imagine his utter belief that he had in the fuhrer would have been restored and, he would possibly have acted against the conspirators in favour of himself.

These discussions should be in the discussion part so, we don't keep spoiling really good dio threads IMO
Mitch

 

[Lawrence Lo]

Wayne,

Great diorama! Wish I had your sandlot to play in, all I have is a concrete jungle... Looking forward to seeing more. All the best, Lawrence

 

[wayne556517]

Wayne,

Great diorama! Wish I had your sandlot to play in, all I have is a concrete jungle... Looking forward to seeing more. All the best, Lawrence

Thanks Lawrence.