SAS K9 Kills Jehadis (2 Viewers)

Now that is a dog! My favorite breed, they are something else. Highly intelligent and majestic, they are a true king of dogs.

TD
 
tdubel said:
Now that is a dog! My favorite breed, they are something else. Highly intelligent and majestic, they are a true king of dogs.

TD
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Tom...I read up on these dogs after I read the article...they do not make good pets...they bite a lot...even bite their owners...still...if this story is true...you gotta love this dog...
 
mikemiller1955 said:
Tom...I read up on these dogs after I read the article...they do not make good pets...they bite a lot...even bite their owners...still...if this story is true...you gotta love this dog...
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Mike,
That is thoroughly untrue, I have had 40 plus years of full blood German Shepherd family. They are highly trained dogs meant for experienced dog owners. I have never had one dog truly bite me or anyone else except our Belgian bit a drunk party goer who deserved it for stupidity. They are one of the top rated dogs out there and a top rated pet.

Remember, dogs are usually never the issue, it is the owners who are ignorant or untrained. Anyhow, ,if you take the time to learn to be a good owner, German Shepherds are a top pet and definitely in the top 5 regarding intelligence levels. As I said, a problem dog usually has an idiot for an owner.

However, if my dogs were with me, they would never be the aggressor, however, if someone attacked me, they would defend me.
TD
 
Tom...

we had a German Shepard as a kid...he was as lovable as could be...very protective...he would growl a lot at strangers though...he eventually killed a pet duck...or at least mutilated him beyond recovery...my dad had to finish him off with a butcher knife...my father called the police department...asked if they would be interested in taking him...a K9 officer came out...clapped his hands real loud and the dog cowered away...he said they couldn't use him...we ended up keeping him and he was a great pet...well loved and returned it back...

the article I was referring to was this one...this guy owns a Belgian Malinos...says they are biters...

https://loveandkissespetsitting.net/should-you-get-a-belgain-malinois/

most of the comments are similar to your view...
 
As a law enforcement handler I know a bit about this. First off there is no way you would want this dog as a pet. Working dogs and particularly military and law enforcement K9s are tested for a series of drives that are needed. If they are missing one of these drives then the K9 can not function at the level needed and will not be considered. The most common K9s utilized are GSDs, Mals and Dutch Shepherds which possess very high drives. These are far different then your German Shepherds you buy from a breeder or breed yourself. In fact if you want a serious working dog then most likely your not buying it from the United States. The blood lines of GSDs state side are more for looks and come with a ton of medical ailments. Unlike like your house pet these are alpha animals. They will try to establish dominance and will challenge you at one point. I know plenty of handlers who took on many scars in the process of establishing themselves as the pack leader. Even then family members need to be careful because the K9 may concede to you but you better believe he won't to your kids or wife. Tom, these are nothing like your typical house dogs and if you don't know what your doing then you are going to get hurt bad. These dogs are trained in handler protection and aggression so that means a lot of biting, every week. Granted they bite only when they are given the command to do so.

I know you love your dogs a lot and they probably love you just as much but Mike brings up a good example of his German Shepherd that liked to growl but cowered at the sound of a clap. That dog is lacking fight drive and this is a genetic makeup that can't be trained. The dog either has it or it doesn't. Good working dogs don't cower from anything and never give up in a fight. My GSD would fight to the end.His fight drive and prey drive are so high that he is always all business. Very rarely does he want to be pet or have a belly rub. He just wants to work.
 
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As a law enforcement handler I know a bit about this. First off there is no way you would want this dog as a pet. Working dogs and particularly military and law enforcement K9s are tested for a series of drives that are needed. If they are missing one of these drives then the K9 can not function at the level needed and will not be considered. The most common K9s utilized are GSDs, Mals and Dutch Shepherds which possess very high drives. These are far different then your German Shepherds you buy from a breeder or breed yourself. In fact if you want a serious working dog then most likely your not buying it from the United States. The blood lines of GSDs state side are more for looks and come with a ton of medical ailments. Unlike like your house pet these are alpha animals. They will try to establish dominance and will challenge you at one point. I know plenty of handlers who took on many scars in the process of establishing themselves as the pack leader. Even then family members need to be careful because the K9 may concede to you but you better believe he won't to your kids or wife. Tom, these are nothing like your typical house dogs and if you don't know what your doing then you are going to get hurt bad. These dogs are trained in handler protection and aggression so that means a lot of biting, every week. Granted they bite only when they are given the command to do so.

I know you love your dogs a lot and they probably love you just as much but Mike brings up a good example of his German Shepherd that liked to growl but cowered at the sound of a clap. That dog is lacking fight drive and this is a genetic makeup that can't be trained. The dog either has it or it doesn't. Good working dogs don't cower from anything and never give up in a fight. My GSD would fight to the end.His fight drive and prey drive are so high that he is always all business. Very rarely does he want to be pet or have a belly rub. He just wants to work.
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I don’t disagree as we are talking about 2 different parts to the overall breed. I was more liking it to the breed as a whole. End of the day they are my favorite breed across the board. And I don’t know but any dog that takes down a jehadi seems like a great friend to have around in my book. There are a few bad guys in Baltimore who should suffer the same fate in my opinion. They are a waste of the resource of air much like jehadis.
Td
 
Did you guys see Megan Leavey?


BTW, to me, it's as much about the dog training Megan as vice versa.

-Moe
 
My son and daughter-in-law have a Belgium Malinois that they were given by a family with young children who couldn't handle it nor had the time to train it. Duval (named after the Belgium beer, also means "Devil" in Flemmish) is now 8 months old and is a handful. He's already bit me once in the left hand as I was reaching for a bottle of water that my son was handing to me. Lots of blood and puncture wounds . . . It took almost 13 hours to get one of the puncture wounds to stop bleeding . . . was afraid I was going to have to go to the hospital for a couple of stitches. The dog is very protective and possessive of his owner. I don't trust him at all and will not let my guard down around him again. Joe is right in my opinion . . . not a type of dog you would want for a pet . . . .
:smile2: Mike
 
mestell said:
The dog is very protective and possessive of his owner.
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Hah, sounds like my kind of critter!;) Seriously, though, you wouldn't bring home a Yorkie to herd sheep around the south 40 or a Greyhound to pull a sled in winter. Dogs that are bred to display a fair degree of aggressiveness aren't a great choice for someone that's looking for Bijon-like personality, a quality that's missing in a lot of terriers might I add. Of course, a Jack Russell isn't gonna rip your throat out, either! Doberman's used to have a bad rep, but they've been bred into sweethearts over the last 3-4 decades. At least that's been my experience. Common-sense has to be the guide. Find yourself a buddy that suits your family's needs, and don't try and pound a square peg into round hole.

-Moe
 
mestell said:
My son and daughter-in-law have a Belgium Malinois that they were given by a family with young children who couldn't handle it nor had the time to train it. Duval (named after the Belgium beer, also means "Devil" in Flemmish) is now 8 months old and is a handful. He's already bit me once in the left hand as I was reaching for a bottle of water that my son was handing to me. Lots of blood and puncture wounds . . . It took almost 13 hours to get one of the puncture wounds to stop bleeding . . . was afraid I was going to have to go to the hospital for a couple of stitches. The dog is very protective and possessive of his owner. I don't trust him at all and will not let my guard down around him again. Joe is right in my opinion . . . not a type of dog you would want for a pet . . . .
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Mike...sorry to hear that...I bet that was scary...everything I read about this dog is that they are "all business"...not overly playful...and not the best pet for a family with children...this dog reportedly becomes irritated when he doesn't have a job to do...all the articles say he is fearless and won't back down from anything...not a lap dog...not a great pet for children...but I would hate to run into one if I was robbing a house...
 
Megan Leavey is definitely worth a watch... plus, it stars Kate mara, so there’s that too! 😀
 
This dog is ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLY INCREDIBLE!!!

this is not your average German Shepard...this is the world's greatest athlete...

this dog can leap 20 feet in the air...straight up...
he can jump 40 feet from a running start...
he can climb wire fences...
jump over wooden fences...
run up a tree like a cat...literally...
he can climb 15 foot smooth walls...
he can walk on a suspended tight wire!!!!

watch this video...

it is truly unbelievable!

Zach...I got that movie today...will watch it tonight...
a lot of the links I read...refer to these commonly as Israeli attack dogs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orAGU04T0rc
 
As I said before, any German Shepherd breed (even domesticated American ones) are for serious dog owners who take the time to train themselves then the dog. I have had 40 years, all versions including a Belgian. My latest is 125 pounds, unfortunately older now, near 10. He was trained from ground up religiously and is a sweetheart to my family, including my now 14 year old who has tugged , pulled, laid on top for last 9 years. That said, is he protective, yes, is he fine once he meets strangers with us present, yes. No biting, but that is through extensive training. For the record, never bitten anyone including family, but his demeanor is perfect for protection as strangers don't realize how trained he is.

My Belgian was also fully trained and protected Logan as a baby and had a very special relationship with him. Extreme patience and loved my son, who likewise adored the dog, it was his best friend. As a little guy, he talked to the dog like another kid, it was truly an amazing relationship. My Belgian tolerated strangers, but knew never to bite unless commanded, again, serious training. And I was always the alpha in the relationship. Now, there was one instance in his entire life. We were at the shore and in the back is a deck with entrance. A ******* drunken neighbor decided to come say "hi" one evening while the Duke was on the porch behind a gate. He stumbled up the stairs, the Dog barked and warned him with a growl and hair standing straight up on his back. Yet the idiot opened the gate and proceeded to say hello, well, Duke welcomed him with a bite straight at the gonads. I went running and of course commanded the dog off in 5 secs, no real harm done other than pride to the moron. I then proceed to rip the neighbor in two for stupidty and trespassing. The incident was never spoken of again and the ******* has not visited since. I still smile kindly for Duke when I think about him and the service he did for me!

TD
 
mestell said:
My son and daughter-in-law have a Belgium Malinois that they were given by a family with young children who couldn't handle it nor had the time to train it. Duval (named after the Belgium beer, also means "Devil" in Flemmish) is now 8 months old and is a handful. He's already bit me once in the left hand as I was reaching for a bottle of water that my son was handing to me. Lots of blood and puncture wounds . . . It took almost 13 hours to get one of the puncture wounds to stop bleeding . . . was afraid I was going to have to go to the hospital for a couple of stitches. The dog is very protective and possessive of his owner. I don't trust him at all and will not let my guard down around him again. Joe is right in my opinion . . . not a type of dog you would want for a pet . . . .
:smile2: Mike
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Mike,
I would sincerely suggest that your son and daughter enroll in a serious obedience and subsequent training classes. Have they ever owned the breed before? Even if so, this would go a long way in their relationship with this dog. Duval has experience a huge shock in his short life, but he is very young and extremely trainable. They are super smart and the investment in time,e xpense and training will be invaluable IMO. Some will never do well with young kids as young kids do not know how to respect the dog, but Duval should never have bitten you that seriously. If they take the time IMO, this can be corrected.

TD
 
tdubel said:
one evening while the Duke was on the porch behind a gate. He stumbled up the stairs, the Dog barked and warned him with a growl and hair standing straight up on his back. Yet the idiot opened the gate and proceeded to say hello, well, Duke welcomed him with a bite straight at the gonads. I went running and of course commanded the dog off in 5 secs, no real harm done other than pride to the moron. I then proceed to rip the neighbor in two for stupidty and trespassing. The incident was never spoken of again and the ******* has not visited since. I still smile kindly for Duke when I think about him and the service he did for me!

TD
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Tom...that's funny...our German Shepard...not a Belgian...was also named Duke...
 
mikemiller1955 said:
Tom...that's funny...our German Shepard...not a Belgian...was also named Duke...
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Mike, it is funny the name similarities for Shepherds! My four were named Brutus (a fully blooded dwarf GS), Rebel (full blooded American, think Dino from the flintstones, happy go lucky, clumsy but smart), Duke (Belgian) and current one is Nero (truly huge, largest one we have had, but a sweetheart). I could talk for hours about them in that each one was so truly unique in personality, habits, etc.

I have been fortunate with each one.

TD
 
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tdubel said:
Mike,
I would sincerely suggest that your son and daughter enroll in a serious obedience and subsequent training classes. Have they ever owned the breed before? Even if so, this would go a long way in their relationship with this dog. Duval has experience a huge shock in his short life, but he is very young and extremely trainable. They are super smart and the investment in time,e xpense and training will be invaluable IMO. Some will never do well with young kids as young kids do not know how to respect the dog, but Duval should never have bitten you that seriously. If they take the time IMO, this can be corrected.

TD
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Tom, my daughter-in-law is a dog trainer . . . in fact, that's how they ended up with Duval when she was training him for the other family. However, a short time into the training the other family decided he was too much for them. My son and daughter-in-law also have a 130 pound King Shepard (Hexe) which is very well trained and is like a big teddy bear. Duval is just too high spirited and protective as far as I am concerned.
:smile2: Mike
 
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