SdKfz 251/C- Winter (1 Viewer)

[rpk]

Actually I was thinking the same thing. I would have purchased the Hanomag if it weren't for the oversized hinges. Doing working hatches to scale can be troublesome, as evidenced by some of the Figarti issues with breakage. Limits the display possibilites to some degree, but not a big loss. On the plus side I think the swappable tracks (working and battle damaged) works really well!

-Rich

I don't know about you guys, but I would prefer that CS stopped using opening hatches.

Oversized hinges and poorly fitted hatches etc are ok on cheap Forces of Valor meant for younger folk.

Are they really necessary on Adult Collectible Military Miniatures?

What do you guys think?

 

[Jackaroo]

Again this is the the first CS piece that I have gotten, And waiting for my winter jumpers. I like it a lot. And has become one of My most favorite pieces.
But, this is the question, Is CS going to make more German figures to go with this set??, I am sure that everyone that has gotten this set. Wishes to have more figures to accompany the sets. So PLEASE HAVE MORE PIECES. BRIAN PLEASE.
You are a Unique company, that you brought out this sets to cater to all WWII Collectors , be it Normandy, desert, or Winter. And for that reason (mind you if you keep adding sets to this existing ones) I Am going to be one of your best customers.
Looking forward to the Polish Lancers Too.

I have only just recently started collecting and stumbled across CS products two weeks ago. The winter 251/C certainly got my attention pretty quickly as did the grittiness of some of the Nijmegan pieces. Kudos to the CS team for this. Needless to say my first CS pieces are inbound. It gives me a great confidence when CS are prepared to be so involved with this forum. I would like to echo spartin71’s sentiments re more German figures. Cheers ...JR

 

[noli-poli]

Actually I was thinking the same thing. I would have purchased the Hanomag if it weren't for the oversized hinges. Doing working hatches to scale can be troublesome, as evidenced by some of the Figarti issues with breakage. Limits the display possibilites to some degree, but not a big loss. On the plus side I think the swappable tracks (working and battle damaged) works really well!

-Rich

I agree. Those swappable tracks are great! It was more of a surprise for me.

 

[spartan71]

I have to agree that maybe, for the sake of accuracy, of the hinges. CS should make non opening ones. Not a real loss. And quite possibly lot a less headaches, because one less thing to worry about for CS.

 

[noli-poli]

I don't know about you guys, but I would prefer that CS stopped using opening hatches.

Oversized hinges and poorly fitted hatches etc are ok on cheap Forces of Valor meant for younger folk.

Are they really necessary on Adult Collectible Military Miniatures?

What do you guys think?

I totally agree with you OZ.

I guess this is not CS issue alone. I have same problem with the Figarti's Prime Mover. While the hinges on the rear ammo compartment are to scale, they keep falling off and would not stay in place. They are too micro and affraid one of these days they will break. I am thinking of gluing them shut.
N-P

 

[OzDigger]

I totally agree with you OZ.

I guess this is not CS issue alone. I have same problem with the Figarti's Prime Mover. While the hinges on the rear ammo compartment are to scale, they keep falling off and would not stay in place. They are too micro and affraid one of these days they will break. I am thinking of gluing them shut.
N-P

That's true, not matter what size the hinges are, the bottom line is that opening engine hatches etc a waste as they add to the cost of the model and most collectors don't use them.

 

[wayne556517]

I don't know about you guys, but I would prefer that CS stopped using opening hatches.

Oversized hinges and poorly fitted hatches etc are ok on cheap Forces of Valor meant for younger folk.

Are they really necessary on Adult Collectible Military Miniatures?

What do you guys think?

Im with you mate if you want to look at motors collect cars........

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I totally agree with you OZ.

I guess this is not CS issue alone. I have same problem with the Figarti's Prime Mover. While the hinges on the rear ammo compartment are to scale, they keep falling off and would not stay in place. They are too micro and affraid one of these days they will break. I am thinking of gluing them shut.
N-P

I had the same problem except mine actually broke. Figarti repaired them. But I agree with Oz- unless there is a good reason for having a compartment that opens, IMO it's better that they don't open. In the case of CS, the oversized hinges really throw me off and the engine is not so detailed that it is something I want to see. The interchangeable tracks, however, is a great idea and is actually being used by collectors.

Terry

 

[OzDigger]

I had the same problem except mine actually broke. Figarti repaired them. But I agree with Oz- unless there is a good reason for having a compartment that opens, IMO it's better that they don't open. In the case of CS, the oversized hinges really throw me off and the engine is not so detailed that it is something I want to see. The interchangeable tracks, however, is a great idea and is actually being used by collectors.

Terry

Yes, the optional broken track is a good idea as was the removable wheel on their AB41 Armored Car which I display being repaired rather than intact with all Four wheels.

 

[gk5717]

I also agree on the hinge issue, and that goes for all manufacturers, there really is no need. These are not toys that are played with.What I really liked about the damaged tread was how easy it was to use. I was expecting something that would cause breakage if not done correctly but CS did it right.
Gary

 

[kilted vampire]

As far as the hinges go, I can see why they need to be a bit over sized. There is a real danger of them being more fragile if they are smaller. One has to account for manufacturing expediency as well. I like the doors that open. I can except slightly larger hinges in the process. I do play with the stuff if you count building displays as playing. It gives me more options. For example one can put smoke pouring out of the engine hatch. I say keep up the good work!

 

[noli-poli]

Im with you mate if you want to look at motors collect cars........

Cars ...I collect them too in 1/18. Mostly Exoto. They are tops (furious details down to brake caliphers) but very expensive. Check Exoto.com

 

[6th Wisconsin]

Make sure you don't place the figures so they put too much weight on the little pieces that hold their feet in place. These are flexible, as it turns out. I came home and one was leaning over precariously, so I bent the piece to allow him to stand more upright like in the photo.

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Make sure you don't place the figures so they put too much weight on the little pieces that hold their feet in place. These are flexible, as it turns out. I came home and one was leaning over precariously, so I bent the piece to allow him to stand more upright like in the photo.

I had the same issue at the Chicago show, it was really critical that the figures be placed as " straight up " as possible so that the weight " pull " or mass of gravity was projected truly downward and not off to any given side. Also its helpful to have at least one hand touching or connecting with the vehicle in some way.

kind regards,

Brian

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

As far as the hinges go, I can see why they need to be a bit over sized. There is a real danger of them being more fragile if they are smaller. One has to account for manufacturing expediency as well. I like the doors that open. I can except slightly larger hinges in the process. I do play with the stuff if you count building displays as playing. It gives me more options. For example one can put smoke pouring out of the engine hatch. I say keep up the good work!

I think " The Kiltster " brings up a good point. Really the open hatches are meant to work in concert with the thrown track option. For example a disabled unit that has been abandoned might have the engine bay doors flung open to further the " story " of a damaged unit. This really was one of the reasons for such additions.

That being said I must agree that having the hinged doors for no other purpose as extranious detail , that of course may not be that necessary. Only in the given above example does the extra effort mesh well with the needs of the disabled vehicle concept.

regards,

Brian

 

[noli-poli]

I think " The Kiltster " brings up a good point. Really the open hatches are meant to work in concert with the thrown track option. For example a disabled unit that has been abandoned might have the engine bay doors flung open to further the " story " of a damaged unit. This really was one of the reasons for such additions.

That being said I must agree that having the hinged doors for no other purpose as extranious detail , that of course may not be that necessary. Only in the given above example does the extra effort mesh well with the needs of the disabled vehicle concept.

regards,

Brian

I am keeping the Hanomag instead of returning it. I will Dremel those hinges and replace it with hinges I found in doll houses (and close enough to the real ones). I'll post a then and now picture when I am done.

Other than that, I think this piece is great! Love those "jumpin jerries." Those mounts are a "coup." Love the opening rear door exit.

My last post. Over and out.

N-P

 

[maddadicus]

I am keeping the Hanomag instead of returning it. I will Dremel those hinges and replace it with hinges I found in doll houses (and close enough to the real ones). I'll post a then and now picture when I am done.

Other than that, I think this piece is great! Love those "jumpin jerries." Those mounts are a "coup." Love the opening rear door exit.

My last post. Over and out.

N-P

Looking forward to seeing how you do the hinges. Are you going to superglue them in place or use some type of micro-screw? Would you just keep the hatch glued closed with the new hinges as window dressing? Michael

 

[kilted vampire]

I think " The Kiltster " brings up a good point. Really the open hatches are meant to work in concert with the thrown track option. For example a disabled unit that has been abandoned might have the engine bay doors flung open to further the " story " of a damaged unit. This really was one of the reasons for such additions.

That being said I must agree that having the hinged doors for no other purpose as extranious detail , that of course may not be that necessary. Only in the given above example does the extra effort mesh well with the needs of the disabled vehicle concept.

regards,

Brian

Kiltster?

 

[noli-poli]

Looking forward to seeing how you do the hinges. Are you going to superglue them in place or use some type of micro-screw? Would you just keep the hatch glued closed with the new hinges as window dressing? Michael

Michael:
I found some hinges used at doll houses at Hobby Bench. I will need to trim some parts to make it as close as possible to the orignal hinges of the real Hanomag. I will micro-drill it with a Dremel and use the micro-nail provided. The nails and part of the hinges will be super-glued (the nail will add the extra hold. You need to trim the excess that wil proturude). I am studying the best way to approach this operation. The engine covers are to thick and may have to sand them down or replace them with a thinner material. I am looking at brass or plastic sheet styrene.

The hood/engine cover will open and close. If I messed up, the only option is keep it closed or cover it up with some desert camo nettings as seen on some actual Afrika Korps photos (http://www.afrikakorps.org).

This might take a while as I am trying to finish a modified M-24 Chaffee ( I took out some of the excess stowage to see the real outline of the tank. The hatches can be opened or closed)

I'll post pictures of the hinges under separate posting in this thread.

N-P

 

[noli-poli]

Michael:

Here are the pictures of the hinges
I am leaning to using the rectangular ones...looks like KC's Hanomag hinges