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Ana-
Any chance we might be getting some pictures? Its getting cold here and we don't have much else to do except explore ways to spend money. BTW: I see a real Sherman almost daily. They have one parked outside Carlisle Barracks that can be seen from Interstate 81 here in PA.
 
Doug - The Sherman is in a very early state. But I'll post some pictures tomorrow anyway. Just to keep you busy...you could take some pictures of that Sherman for us, couldn't you? :)

Ana
 
I'm also quite interested to see which version of the Sherman you will be doing. I'm the resident "Shermanoholic" on the Treefrog Forum - I get off on Shermans and the minutae of them. Looking forward to seeing what your ideas are and where you're heading. I can direct you to books and resources and have photos of the late Shermans on display in my area.

Gary
 
Guys,

I'll have pictures of the sculpture of the Sherman and a list of versions that the boyz are planning on monday evening :)

Have a great weekend!

Ana
 
Guys,I'll have pictures of the sculpture of the Sherman and a list of versions that the boyz are planning on monday evening :) Have a great weekend! Ana

Ana, it will be really good to see how my next purchase from Honour Bound is being made :) I have grown very attached to my Panthers (in all their versions) and the field kitchen too :cool: I have the cook and the “hungry boys” on order with George at Minute Man and I hope to have a couple of Sherman’s on order in the next few months. If the Sherman is done as well as the Panthers, oh boy oh boy I want ‘em :) :)
 
Guys,

A couple of pictures of the Sherman in process. Very early stage, as I said.

Sh1.jpg

Sh2.jpg


It's more advanced today. I'll take some pics and post them later.

Here is a list of Sherman versions that the boyz say that can be made with the model that Gabriel is making.

Sherman M4A1 Gun 75mm and 76 mm
Sherman M4A1 w/turret T-23
Sherman M4A1 w/bulldozer
Sherman M4A1 DD Amphibious
Sherman M4A1 Cullin
Sherman M4A1 Calliope
Sherman M4A1 Landing Normandy
Sherman M4A1 Landing Sicily
Sherman M4A1 Composite hull 75mm
Sherman M4A1 Composite Firefly

This doesn't mean that we will make all of them; but we still haven't defined which versions we'll be releasing.

Ana
 
Ana,

I don't know if you mentioned this once or it was wishful thinking on my part but I'd like to see one of the Sherman used by the Polish troops during the Battle of Falaise. I think that would be neat and different.
 
Brad - Yes, I posted that because the boyz had mentioned it. It seems that they changed version now, and as they are making the M4A1 instead of the M4A4 the Polish variant will have to wait until Gabriel makes the M4A4 version.

It will take a little longer than planned, but that version will be available too.

Sorry! :eek:

Ana
 
Here is a list of Sherman versions that the boyz say that can be made with the model that Gabriel is making.

Sherman M4A1 Gun 75mm and 76 mm
Sherman M4A1 w/turret T-23
Sherman M4A1 w/bulldozer
Sherman M4A1 DD Amphibious
Sherman M4A1 Cullin
Sherman M4A1 Calliope
Sherman M4A1 Landing Normandy
Sherman M4A1 Landing Sicily
Sherman M4A1 Composite hull 75mm
Sherman M4A1 Composite Firefly

OK, what you are showing is basically the "large hatch" version of the M4A1. Let me address your list (assuming that this is the only hull you are using);

M4A1 with 76mm gun - this is the same as the "M4A1 w/ turret T23. Yes, you should be on a good track for this one.

M4A1 with 75mm gun - Sorry, but this version as a 75mm gun tank is VERY VERY rare! Almost all of the M4A1s with this hull and 75mm gun for conversion to DD tanks. To show this tank as an "average" M4A1 would be INCORRECT.

M4A1 with Bulldozer, M4A1Calliope - see above comments on 75mm tanks, there weren't many dozer kits put on 76mm tanks until almost the end of WW2.

M4A1 "Cullin" - this COULD be an ex-DD tank that was stripped of its fittings and used in the breakout. There are several photos that show these, but again - a VERY RARE tank.

M4A1 DD amphibious - yes, here you would have a nice model using that hull and a later 75mm turret, HOWEVER - a DD tank was distinctively modified, the floatation screen can be built, but they are not easy!

M4A1 Landing Normandy - I assume you mean the DD, then you are OK. If you mean the gun tanks with 75mm guns then you are incorrect. THere were LOTS of M4A1s in Normandy, but they were the earlier "small hatch" hulls, with applique armor and other late features.

M4A1 Invasion Sicily - ABSOLUTELY NOT! That hull is much later than the Sicily operation. The tanks on Sicily were M4A1s with "small hatch" hulls, early turrets, and no applique armor patches. Some were the earliest versions, similar to what the US sent the British Eigth Army before Alamein.

Composite hull 75mm - here you are wonderfully correct, as long as your sculptor remembers that the rear 2/3 of the hull was welded. These were NOT "M4A1" but late production M4 types. The "composite" hull M4 was used by the US in Europe (in limited numbers) by the British and Canadians in Europe and by the US Army in the Phillipines and on Okinawa.

Sherman M4A1 Composite Firefly - many of the above tanks supplied to the UK were converted to "Firefly" tanks, so they are common. A number of the tanks the US Army sent for Firefly conversion were this type, but the war ended before any could see service.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but I have been studying Shermans for 30 years. On many of the modeling sites the question often arises about hwhat else can be done with this hull as many modelers want to do conversions on them. You will find the same answers - the hull you have shown us is basically just used for 76mm gunned M4A1 tanks, which the US used only in Europe from 7/44 onwards. The British received some and used some in Europe and a few in Italy late in the war. The French had a few in WW2 and used a lot post-war and the Iraelis also used them in original form in 1956 and they were later rebuilt into Super Shermans. The tank you can create with the hull shown would be like the recent K&C Strictly Limited tank without its sandbags.

If your sculptor will provide with an earlier "small hatch" M4A1 for the 75mm gun version then you can do the other variants PLUS a few others (like the M32 recovery vehicle).

I am very interested in your Sherman project and would certainly be willing to advise or support you as I can.

Gary Binder
 
Thank you, Gary. I've passed your information to Gabriel, and he'll be back with some answers in a while. Thanks.

Brad - the boyz say that the M4A1 can be used to make a Polish version that was used in the Neaderlands.

Ana
 
Gary - The boyz say 'Thank you very much!'. You are absolutely right in everything, they were aware of everything you mentioned. The rare versions are not a problem. We are trying to make rare or unique versions too, as usual.

They'd fully appreciate your help. When I showed them your post they got excited and asked for any image or photograph that you think that would help with all the possible versions.

Thank you for your support and your generous offer for expert help.

Ana
 
OK, what you are showing is basically the "large hatch" version of the M4A1. Let me address your list (assuming that this is the only hull you are using);

M4A1 with 76mm gun - this is the same as the "M4A1 w/ turret T23. Yes, you should be on a good track for this one.

M4A1 with 75mm gun - Sorry, but this version as a 75mm gun tank is VERY VERY rare! Almost all of the M4A1s with this hull and 75mm gun for conversion to DD tanks. To show this tank as an "average" M4A1 would be INCORRECT.

M4A1 with Bulldozer, M4A1Calliope - see above comments on 75mm tanks, there weren't many dozer kits put on 76mm tanks until almost the end of WW2.

M4A1 "Cullin" - this COULD be an ex-DD tank that was stripped of its fittings and used in the breakout. There are several photos that show these, but again - a VERY RARE tank.

M4A1 DD amphibious - yes, here you would have a nice model using that hull and a later 75mm turret, HOWEVER - a DD tank was distinctively modified, the floatation screen can be built, but they are not easy!

M4A1 Landing Normandy - I assume you mean the DD, then you are OK. If you mean the gun tanks with 75mm guns then you are incorrect. THere were LOTS of M4A1s in Normandy, but they were the earlier "small hatch" hulls, with applique armor and other late features.

M4A1 Invasion Sicily - ABSOLUTELY NOT! That hull is much later than the Sicily operation. The tanks on Sicily were M4A1s with "small hatch" hulls, early turrets, and no applique armor patches. Some were the earliest versions, similar to what the US sent the British Eigth Army before Alamein.

Composite hull 75mm - here you are wonderfully correct, as long as your sculptor remembers that the rear 2/3 of the hull was welded. These were NOT "M4A1" but late production M4 types. The "composite" hull M4 was used by the US in Europe (in limited numbers) by the British and Canadians in Europe and by the US Army in the Phillipines and on Okinawa.

Sherman M4A1 Composite Firefly - many of the above tanks supplied to the UK were converted to "Firefly" tanks, so they are common. A number of the tanks the US Army sent for Firefly conversion were this type, but the war ended before any could see service.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but I have been studying Shermans for 30 years. On many of the modeling sites the question often arises about hwhat else can be done with this hull as many modelers want to do conversions on them. You will find the same answers - the hull you have shown us is basically just used for 76mm gunned M4A1 tanks, which the US used only in Europe from 7/44 onwards. The British received some and used some in Europe and a few in Italy late in the war. The French had a few in WW2 and used a lot post-war and the Iraelis also used them in original form in 1956 and they were later rebuilt into Super Shermans. The tank you can create with the hull shown would be like the recent K&C Strictly Limited tank without its sandbags.

If your sculptor will provide with an earlier "small hatch" M4A1 for the 75mm gun version then you can do the other variants PLUS a few others (like the M32 recovery vehicle).

I am very interested in your Sherman project and would certainly be willing to advise or support you as I can.

Gary Binder

Dear Gary,
I would be very interested in whatever photos you could provide that would support your knowledge of the different versions...As a Sherman fan myself, I am more of a " they look cool guy " vs a " is that correct guy"...Most cases, I would not know the difference....Michael
 
=Here is a list of Sherman versions that the boyz say that can be made with the model that Gabriel is making.

Sherman M4A1 Gun 75mm and 76 mm
Sherman M4A1 w/turret T-23
Sherman M4A1 w/bulldozer
Sherman M4A1 DD Amphibious
Sherman M4A1 Cullin
Sherman M4A1 Calliope
Sherman M4A1 Landing Normandy
Sherman M4A1 Landing Sicily
Sherman M4A1 Composite hull 75mm
Sherman M4A1 Composite Firefly
Ana

A M32 Tank Recovery Vehicle will be a nice addition to the above list to match with the Berge Panther
N-P
 
Gary:

Thank you for taking the time for such outstanding research as it was very much appreciated. You study tanks like I do aircraft. However, I am am branching off a bit & have actually been studying the Sherman as my library diversifies & grows. I learned something new from your post so thanks for that as well. I hope & trust that Honour Bound will put your research to good use.

Hang Tough,
Beaufighter
 
To Honor Bound, please feel free to contact me off-list. My home e-mail is binder5295-at-windstream-dot-net. I can forward photos or information on reference books more efficiently that way. I'm not trying to cut the Treefrog gang out of the info, but I can attach more images if I go directly (plus if I don't post on a public forum I can pass along a few copyrighted images).

Gary
 
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Doug,

The first 3 versions for the first model (Sherman M4A1 76 mm) are:

Winter camo - Normandy
Green - Ardennes
Bi-colour camo (green and earth) - Cotentin, Normandy

Ana
 
Guys,

A couple of pictures of the Sherman in process. Very early stage, as I said.

Sh1.jpg

Sh2.jpg


It's more advanced today. I'll take some pics and post them later.

Here is a list of Sherman versions that the boyz say that can be made with the model that Gabriel is making.

Sherman M4A1 Gun 75mm and 76 mm
Sherman M4A1 w/turret T-23
Sherman M4A1 w/bulldozer
Sherman M4A1 DD Amphibious
Sherman M4A1 Cullin
Sherman M4A1 Calliope
Sherman M4A1 Landing Normandy
Sherman M4A1 Landing Sicily
Sherman M4A1 Composite hull 75mm
Sherman M4A1 Composite Firefly

This doesn't mean that we will make all of them; but we still haven't defined which versions we'll be releasing.

Ana

Wow, way cool!

Carlos
 

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