Size Comparison Photos - Various Manufacturers (1 Viewer)

[PanzerAce1944]

Re: Scale Comparison Photos - Various Manufacturers

Also, as an add on, it has become obvious to all collectors that all manufactures have been fudging on their scale claims. All seem false, so why would anyone try to make points concerning doctored scale claims and questionable measurements. Side by side comparative photos would show if the mixed figures fit togther or not. Size is the new norm, not stated scales..Michael

We will just have to remember to say Larger, Smaller, as the word "Scale" has been deemed unacceptable here .............{sm2} Great pics Julie !!! Looking Great !!!

Wayne

 

[Vezzolf]

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QUITE FRANKLY, Julie is part of the management team who owns and hosts this forum. They do us a favor by allowing us to share in this hobby. Stop taking advantage of any assumed privilages that you think gives you the right to break protocal. If you cannot zip it, then leave this thread alone. Go disrupt someplace else. This is not a MANUFACTURES thread, but a hobby helpful one...Michael

WELL SAID Michael......Completely Agree:salute:::salute:::salute::....Again sincere thanks to Julie for trying to help us make purchasing decisions.....This is a valuable helpful thread and a useful tool which must not be ruined by the usual suspects.....There are other threads where our manufacturer preferences and scale discussions can be voiced.....This thread MUST remain NEUTRAL GROUND

 

[katana]

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I think size compatability is an appropriate term to use in comparing figure size. The photos Julie is provideing are nonjudgemental expositions of figure comparitive size and are invaluable to collectors trying to combine figures from several manufacturers into a realistic display or diorama.

I apply scale to vehicles that are dimensionaly defined by published specifications for length, width height etc. Figures are more variable do to the normal spectrum of human height variability
of 5'4" to 6'4" typically for males. The current world wide male height average is 5'9". The figure size in millimeters is a more correct measure of Toy Soldiers as defined by the old Britains size of 54mm; which was a published standard for 100 years and is accepted by many manufacturers to this day.

Treefrog Treasures is the only Toy Soldier distributor to provide dimensional data on figures using a photograph of the figures adjacent to a Millimeter Scale. Julie has now expanded that service to include side by side comparisons of different manufacturers figures and the comments indicate her fine work is highly appreciated! I hope she continues this valuable work and ignores any negative comments.

 

[bradleyl30]

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Julie,
You can ignore my request for comparisons of the Sd Kfz 250/11 from K&C to FL figures or vehicles. TomNT took some great pictures in a dedicated thread that cleared things up for me.

Thanks again for this useful thread.

Larry B

 

[Julie]

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A few quick ones from end of day yesterday. First Legion Medieval and John Jenkins Wars of the Roses. Not necessarily exactly the same time in history but this was requested several weeks ago (thus before I even started this thread!).


JJD LANC-31 - First Legion MED026 - JJD LANC-34


JJD LANC-31 - First Legion MED026 - JJD LANC-34


First Legion MED008 - JJD LANC-20

And now back to .... everything else I need to do today {sm4}

Julie

 

[Major Busgen]

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This is a great reference Julie: thanks.
Any chance of you doing some comparison shots of Napoleonics?
Particularly JJD and others against W Britain and First Legion.
Keep up the good work.
Bill

 

[Panzer]

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Thanks Julie! These are very helpful photos.
Rick

 

[Julie]

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A few more photos showing physical size of figures next to each other -- World War II and Napoleonics per requests!


K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25032 - K&C WS315 - WB 13018 - FL TC008


K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25032 - K&C WS315 - WB 13018 - FL TC008


K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25037 - K&C WS315


K&C NA287 - WB 36149 - JJD PFL-05B - FL NAP489 - TGM NAPS037B - TGM NAPS010B


K&C NA287 - FL NAP489 - JJD PFL-05B - TGM NAPS037B - WB 36149 - TGM NAPS010B

This may be it for this week guys - I need to cut some mat board and frame some stuff for the office now!

Julie

 

[katana]

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Excellent photos of the WWII figures Julie; they clearly demonstrate both the differences in height and proportion. Also which 60mm figures have grown too much over time. Interesting that TG Naps are shrinking! Perhaps a poor diet?

 

[Fraxinus]

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http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...mas-Gunn-First-Legion/page2&highlight=jenkins

Older thread showing various manufacturers.

 

[farmertony]

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Thanks for the Napoleonic comparisons Julie.It would seem that,except for the earlier TGM figures, all these could be used together in a diorama.Thanks again.

 

[OzDigger]

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Thanks for the continued comparison photos Julie. I note that the ruler in the background is now often horizontal rather than the usual vertical position. Is this a reflection of some paradigm shift to the stoutness of toy soldiers rather than their height?

A few more photos showing physical size of figures next to each other -- World War II and Napoleonics per requests!

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K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25032 - K&C WS315 - WB 13018 - FL TC008

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K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25032 - K&C WS315 - WB 13018 - FL TC008

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K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25037 - K&C WS315

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K&C NA287 - WB 36149 - JJD PFL-05B - FL NAP489 - TGM NAPS037B - TGM NAPS010B

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K&C NA287 - FL NAP489 - JJD PFL-05B - TGM NAPS037B - WB 36149 - TGM NAPS010B

This may be it for this week guys - I need to cut some mat board and frame some stuff for the office now!

Julie

 

[Julie]

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Interesting thought! But, no - I am just putting that horizontal to better be able to take a straight shot of the figures. I still have the photos with the ruler vertical to show the actual height with each figures individual web pages on our site.
Adding the individual photos of those will also be a slowly but surely will get done task! But as I do the 'line-ups' I will always add these to the site at the same time.

GERSTAL050


Julie

 

[katana]

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What is interesting about the horizontal ruler, is that the top is coincident with the waste line of all of the figures regardless of height. The K&C MP-40 is almost the same size as the FL MG-42, the disproportions of the weapons is remarkable. The range of thickness of the bases is also interesting.

Positioning the figures in front of a grid of 1 mm squares as found on engineering drafting paper would provide a useful 2 dimensional measurement. Julie's efforts are exceptional; only a Toy Soldier distributor like Treefrog Treasures has the range of Toy Soldier examples available to provide such an extensive side by side presentation. The difference between a Toy Soldier and a Military Miniature is obvious from the comparisons of the different manufacturers figures.

 

[chemiebay]

Re: Scale Comparison Photos - Various Manufacturers

A few more photos showing physical size of figures next to each other -- World War II and Napoleonics per requests!

View attachment 196863
K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25032 - K&C WS315 - WB 13018 - FL TC008

View attachment 196864
K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25032 - K&C WS315 - WB 13018 - FL TC008

View attachment 196865
K&C WH040 - FL GERSTAL050 - WB 25037 - K&C WS315

View attachment 196866
K&C NA287 - WB 36149 - JJD PFL-05B - FL NAP489 - TGM NAPS037B - TGM NAPS010B

View attachment 196867
K&C NA287 - FL NAP489 - JJD PFL-05B - TGM NAPS037B - WB 36149 - TGM NAPS010B

This may be it for this week guys - I need to cut some mat board and frame some stuff for the office now!

Julie

Is it me or KnC WWII figures are always big headed? I do not think that is due to helmets as their hands also look huge, probably scaled in 1/25.
I do have some KnC MK and AE series are look better IMO :salute::

 

[bradleyl30]

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Is it me or KnC WWII figures are always big headed? I do not think that is due to helmets as their hands also look huge, probably scaled in 1/25.
I do have some KnC MK and AE series are look better IMO :salute::

I believe all of the Germans are named or related to a guy named Ahh-nowld! I vill pump you up!

 

[OzDigger]

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Interesting thought! But, no - I am just putting that horizontal to better be able to take a straight shot of the figures. I still have the photos with the ruler vertical to show the actual height with each figures individual web pages on our site.
Adding the individual photos of those will also be a slowly but surely will get done task! But as I do the 'line-ups' I will always add these to the site at the same time.
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Julie

Recent posts suggest some members are still concerned about "widths" such as heads and hands. I like Katana's suggestion of a Grid Square background which would cover width and height.

 

[maddadicus]

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What is being shown ought have most collectors concerned, when we are buying blindly, based on mfg. preference. There seems to be marked differences in sizes concerning same mfg. ,but different ranges. Michael

 

[ivanmoe]

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There seems to be marked differences in sizes concerning same mfg. ,but different ranges. Michael

That's why I start to groan whenever devotees of brand-x start criticizing brand-a in this regard. Invariably, the comments are grounded in their brand-preferences, rather than the facts. As near as I can tell, all of these manufacturers play "fast-and-loose" with scale at times. And that FACT is clearly demonstrable in comparing it's different product ranges.

As for weapons, they always seem too thick to me. Of course, they'd be more vulnerable to breakage if they were cast to scale in soft metal. Likewise, the thinner the material, the less surface detail is possible. "The weapons are too fat you say," you say? I love the little guys, warts and all. I guess that's why we call them toy soldiers!

-Moe

 

[katana]

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Over the last 5 years Toy Soldier figure quality and detail has improved greatly. The size of figures by different manufacturers has diverged into two main groups; 60mm and 60mm + 6mm. WB and FL are in the first group. K&C, TCS and TG are in the second group, as far as WWII figures are concerned. Why the divergence occured remains a mystery; as few manufacturers will admit their figures are larger or smaller than the advertised 60mm standard that no manufacturer meets except FL and WB. WB figures grew to 60mm from 54mm over the last 6 years as Ken Osen has confirmed. FL started at and has remained at the 60mm figure size. K&C started wth 54mm figures about 30 years ago and has gradualy increased figure size over time to the present 66-68mm size. TCS has always produced large figures in the 66-68mm range. Figarti started with 54mm figures and changed to 60mm and advertised the change, marking their boxes accordingly to avoid customer confusion. WB also advertised their change from 54mm to 58-60mm for matte figures on their website. Interesting historical evolution of Toy soldier size over the last decade!