South Africa 2010 (1 Viewer)

[jazzeum]

I was just looking at the BBC web site and they are savaging the team, one critic saying they were four times worse than the Algeria match. I think that's harsh. Yes, the defense was awful and not as quick as the Germans but they were attacking the last 12 minutes of the first and about 20 of the second but the third finished them off. That no goal really hurt them. Yes, Germany was better but don't kill the whole team.

 

[Rob]

I was just looking at the BBC web site and they are savaging the team, one critic saying they were four times worse than the Algeria match. I think that's harsh. Yes, the defense was awful and not as quick as the Germans but they were attacking the last 12 minutes of the first and about 20 of the second but the third finished them off. That no goal really hurt them. Yes, Germany was better but don't kill the whole team.

Thing is Brad,this country is so obsessed with football that when we are knocked out like this the knives come out big time,but it passes and the next comp comes along and once again the country is full of Red and White.Its the natural order of things!

Rob

 

[VIRIATO]

We were awful,today,really awful.Germany fully deserved their victory and many congratulations to them.The England team are getting slaughtered on the BBC.

Well done Germany.For me only one good thing will come out of today's performance,it will shut our god awful press up.

Rob

Rob, unfortunately I have to agree with you and I aplaud your clear vision and sportsmanship.
It is clear that the German team has a lot of work behind it (most of these young players were under 21 European champions last year, beating England 4-0 in the final). They have great players, with great future, but most of all they have a team that has a clear skillful playing system on the pitch, something England clearly lacks. Some of England´s players are really excellent (Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney) but sometimes they play passing, sometimes they play kick and rush... They are not an excellent team as much as I'd like them to be. Something is not going well with English football, they obviously are not working in depth as the Germans obviously are. Germany was not at all afraid to play these young stars at the world cup, whereas young players like Hart or Dawson didn't even get on the pitch. Well Gerrard and Lampard won't be back at another World Cup, so something has to change. Maybe there is too much money on the Premier League, and that forces young players out: foreign stars are bought instead and the academy way now looks gone. There is a stark contrast with the Bundesliga on this one, I've read somewhere. German clubs for one don't owe nearly as much money as the English ones...
I started liking English football when I was a teen (they say that's when you really form your tastes and personality) because of the great Liverpool teams of the seventies and eighties, teams that relied on homegrown talent and a clear playing style, full of skill and passing movement. I see nothing like that nowadays, possibly Man United came the closest to this, hence their success. But today's Liverpool or Arsenal have almost no English players left. Spurs, Harry Redknapp?
This can not be overshadowed by a wrongly disallowed goal, Germany clearly have the better team and they certainly have the potential to go all the way, if not this time than in the future, we'll surely hear a lot about them...
Bottom line, that England should face and understand if you don't want to stay in the kick and rush past: OUTPLAYED, OUTMANEUVERED, OUTSKILLED (in the words of British comentators). This is the reality, do something to change it. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.


IMHO,
Paulo

 

[VIRIATO]

Now this one for Fifa: it's time that you people leave the 19th century behind and start using technology, second refs, judges or cameras on the goal lines. It was a disgrace to see the wonderful Lampard goal disallowed.
Unfortunately I believe some of the resistance against change comes from the International Board, dominated by the British...

Paulo

 

[VIRIATO]

ON English and German fooball take a look at this if you'd like-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2010/06/germans_rich_pedigree_casts_la.html

Paulo

 

[Peter Reuss]

Good night guys. Nearly 2am and time for bed.
Same problem as Al. Who to support now ? Won't be Germany or Argentina !
Regards
Brett

Brett - I may be joining Ana Donzino of Beau Geste & Honour Bound on the Argentina bandwagon (though she says it's been hard to keep people focused on work down there!).

 

[SteveDavid]

ok then, Germany is in the quarter finals, but wait...they won vs a below par Australian team (worst performer with Greece and N Korea!), they lost vs Serbia and were outplayed vs Ghana and were very lucky to draw!

now today they played against a team that certainly played beyond their capabilities but we should not forget that at half-time it should have been 2-2!!! how on earth can a f**** referee not give that goal?? it's a scandal! and at 2-2 in the second half, it is a complete different game: England don't have to open the game and don't run into counter-attacks and Germany cannot play so defensively! that's reality!

let them celebrate as against Argentina the lights will go out....hopefully!

 

[VIRIATO]

ok then, Germany is in the quarter finals, but wait...they won vs a below par Australian team (worst performer with Greece and N Korea!), they lost vs Serbia and were outplayed vs Ghana and were very lucky to draw!

now today they played against a team that certainly played beyond their capabilities but we should not forget that at half-time it should have been 2-2!!! how on earth can a f**** referee not give that goal?? it's a scandal! and at 2-2 in the second half, it is a complete different game: England don't have to open the game and don't run into counter-attacks and Germany cannot play so defensively! that's reality!

let them celebrate as against Argentina the lights will go out....hopefully!

Steve, I respectfully disagree. The disallowed goal can not in itself obscure the sun. Why are England always losing to Germany at the World Cups? Because Germany are consistently better. As I said above, it's time for English football to once and for all leave old ways behind and take a leap into the future!
If Germany take on Argentina it'll surely be a cracking match, possibly I'll root for Germany because I am European and I am enjoying this team a lot. But we'll see, the Argies are also looking good. Wait, there is someone in green with a sombrero around the corner...

Paulo

 

[Phantom Warrior]

ok then, Germany is in the quarter finals, but wait...they won vs a below par Australian team (worst performer with Greece and N Korea!), they lost vs Serbia and were outplayed vs Ghana and were very lucky to draw!

now today they played against a team that certainly played beyond their capabilities but we should not forget that at half-time it should have been 2-2!!! how on earth can a f**** referee not give that goal?? it's a scandal! and at 2-2 in the second half, it is a complete different game: England don't have to open the game and don't run into counter-attacks and Germany cannot play so defensively! that's reality!

let them celebrate as against Argentina the lights will go out....hopefully!

While the German team did well on quick breaks going from defence to offence, England had many good scoring chances so I do not think the German defence is strong enough against Brazil or Argentina.

As for the missed goal, if the referee and linesman are too far away or not near the end line, they would have a very hard time to see the goal go in, and they cannot award a goal unless they actually see it go in. I don't blame the officials, I blame FIFA.

Terry

 

[SteveDavid]

no problem to disagree Paulo, but the fact is it should have been 2-2 at half-time - and nobody here can predict what would have happened - but the game would have been different

which German player would play in a Premierleague team? even their top-player Ballack was a bench player at Chelsea! and that is fact as well - that's probably the most disappointing (and Alan Shearer just said the same at bbc): England lost against an average German team...that is scary for England national football

 

[SteveDavid]

While the German team did well on quick breaks going from defence to offence, England had many good scoring chances so I do not think the German defence is strong enough against Brazil or Argentina.

AGREED.

[/QUOTE]

As for the missed goal, if the referee and linesman are too far away or not near the end line, they would have a very hard time to see the goal go in, and they cannot award a goal unless they actually see it go in. I don't blame the officials, I blame FIFA.


Terry[/QUOTE]

DISAGREE! Even their Football League President, Zwanziger, said that from the stands he saw it was in! Mertesacker said the same! And the linesman should have seen it, no excuse, Lampard shot from the 20-m line! Sorry, no excuse for the officials!

 

[damian]

Pathetic England. Just pathetic.
I went to the fan park with great hopes when I left I had zipped my jacket up so no-one could see my England T shirt.
4 - 1 or 4 -2 I don't think it makes a difference.
The Premier League may be the best in the world but it is the foreign players who make it so good.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

AGREED.

As for the missed goal, if the referee and linesman are too far away or not near the end line, they would have a very hard time to see the goal go in, and they cannot award a goal unless they actually see it go in. I don't blame the officials, I blame FIFA.


Terry[/QUOTE]

DISAGREE! Even their Football League President, Zwanziger, said that from the stands he saw it was in! Mertesacker said the same! And the linesman should have seen it, no excuse, Lampard shot from the 20-m line! Sorry, no excuse for the officials![/QUOTE]

You may be right about the missed goal. But they clearly need to upgrade the viewing with a goal official or technology. This isn't the first time a ball has struck the crossbar and come down near the goal line in a critical situation.

Terry

 

[VIRIATO]

no problem to disagree Paulo, but the fact is it should have been 2-2 at half-time - and nobody here can predict what would have happened - but the game would have been different

which German player would play in a Premierleague team? even their top-player Ballack was a bench player at Chelsea! and that is fact as well - that's probably the most disappointing (and Alan Shearer just said the same at bbc): England lost against an average German team...that is scary for England national football

To me Ballack has never been that great, a lot of hype and that's it. I actually think it's good that he didn't come, time for new and better blood.He wouldn't have a place in this team. Yes the Bundesliga is not that overhyped, but Podolski, Ozil, Muller or Klose have a place anywhere in the world, including the EPL. I especially think the market offers for Ozil and Muller are about to become very interesting....
And surely this team is not average, at least in my view... Indeed rare German teams are average...

Paulo

 

[SteveDavid]

Paulo,

So you say that Germany are the dominating team in this WC, having seen their 4 games? Wouw. And Podolski and Klose are world class players? Podolski scored 3 goals in Cologne this year and Klose was 3rd forward at Bayern Munich! Oh yes, we really disagree here. Let's see what Ozil and Muller become, but I wouldn't see either of them at ManU for example.

Terry, I agree that they either have to put 2 additional refs in the 16-m area or make use of video technology...

 

[damian]

Paulo,

So you say that Germany are the dominating team in this WC, having seen their 4 games? Wouw. And Podolski and Klose are world class players? Podolski scored 3 goals in Cologne this year and Klose was 3rd forward at Bayern Munich! Oh yes, we really disagree here. Let's see what Ozil and Muller become, but I wouldn't see either of them at ManU for example.

Terry, I agree that they either have to put 2 additional refs in the 16-m area or make use of video technology...

What is your point?
England have been useless the whole tournament.
I don't think Germany are favourites to win the world cup but England were never in with a chance except in the mind of their own press and commentators.
Premier League is rich so they buy what they need. Cheque book football.
Argentina , Brazil and places like that nurture their own young players so that is why they produce real wonders not media driven hype like we see from England at the moment.

 

[SteveDavid]

My point is that England got valid goal disallowed which biaised the game!

And yes I agree with all the rest - England was poor individually, collectively, tactically; that the EPL lives largely from their foreign players - but all the other leagues as well - how do Real and barca get their players? with empty promises or cash???; that Argentina and Brazil, maybe the Netherlands are favourites for the title and I therefor fully disagree that Germany is THE team of the WC and that they outplay every opponent so far!

 

[damian]

My point is that England got valid goal disallowed which biaised the game!

And yes I agree with all the rest - England was poor individually, collectively, tactically; that the EPL lives largely from their foreign players - but all the other leagues as well - how do Real and barca get their players? with empty promises or cash???; that Argentina and Brazil, maybe the Netherlands are favourites for the title and I therefor fully disagree that Germany is THE team of the WC and that they outplay every opponent so far!

So if a rich Russian former communist buys your club and opens his check book then you can win a lot of titles. Real and Barcelona also pay big cash but Spain are like England. Always full of promise but generally fail to deliver.
The point is that if you just buy what you need you have a very strong club system but a weak national team.
If you have to find and nurture local talent like a club is supposed to do then you have a strong national team.

I just get tired of a ll the hype around England. Thank goodness I don't have satellite anymore so I will be spared the endless soul searching ,wailing gnashing of teeth and renting of garments that will be on BBC and Sky all next month.
I think Brazil vs Argentina in the final.

 

[Warrior]

Now this one for Fifa: it's time that you people leave the 19th century behind and start using technology, second refs, judges or cameras on the goal lines. It was a disgrace to see the wonderful Lampard goal disallowed.
Paulo

Paulo says it beautifully; it is time for all sports to come into the new millenium and with all of the wonderful technology available today, sports, like the rest of the world, needs to embrase it and accept it rather than be pig headed and stick to "tradition."

It is "tradition" that royally screwed the Brits today; not to say they would have won the match, but momentum is huge in sports and had that goal stood as it should have, who knows how a young German team responds to a group of Brits that are clearly fired up at that point.

With Greece, Italy, USA, Australia, New Zealand and now England out, time for me to move on from soccer, July 4th is right around the corner, then two big toy soldier shows for me, so thanks World Cup for a fun run, the party is over for yours truly.

I'll fully admit it was stirring today seeing these two ancient rivals go at it, the opening cermonies where they play both national anthems is pretty moving, you'd have to have a heart of stone and icewater in your veins not to be moved by it.

Might tune in to see how Germany does as I do like their style; attack, attack, attack rather than sit on a lead...............

 

[Fat Boy]

I dont´t think that the second Goal change much. And it don´t change something to think about what could be.....or what couldn´t be......

I think that the most Germans think about the goal, that this was the revenge for the Wempley goal............after 44 Years.

And not the single player is importan and where he play......the team is important......

Germany don´t dominat the WC......but they play 2 good games.......and ist fun to look this Game. For me the Favourits for the Title are Brazil, Portugal and Spain (okay.....netherland playe good games too.).....but i hope it will be an Underdog how Ghana.

Again........sry for the english.....i hope i take nearly the correct words........