Mitch
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You do show up on all of them though whether relatively passive or, inputting???? I don't think these are controversial in the least. It becomes controversial as history is often seen in one sided terms.
Its also the case that it becomes heated when those who say well, its not one sided it has two sides to a story are then linked with somehow sympathising with the Axis sides.
If you look at it as good guys V bad guys then hearing about the official allowance of millions of german POW's to die or millions of women and children raped and murdered by the allies is going to dent that vision of the allies somehow being the supermen saving the world. Now, I am glad we won and hold dearly the principles that we fought for in WWII. However, there is no doubt that we undertook our fair share of atrocities, war crimes whatever one wishes to call them. Does that upset me? not anymore than what the germans and japanese did to our troops and civillians but, I accept that it happened.
That shows that at a base level, whatever uniform one is wearing, crappy things can be done and, that humans are relatively the same. some don't like that but, sadly it seems to be a truism
Its why the US tried to supress the russians power and input at Nuremburg due to the dispicable way they treat german civillians, things like the Katyn massacre which, was used in defence in the trials, as it was they who perpetrated the action against the poles. Its also sadly, why the trials have been tarred with the ''victors justice'' label because of issues mentioned.
Its why german admirals were not hanged for the actions of the U-Boat men and the orders about treatment of ship survivors as the allies did exactly the same during WWII.
Its not about changing someones mind or opinion as, others have tried to do in other threads about prices etc its nice to debate these things without ''your just not getting it'' or, no matter how many people tell you'' its showing that there are two sides to a conflict. There are good german and bad germans, good japs and bad japs and, there are good allies and bad allies.
Mitch
Its also the case that it becomes heated when those who say well, its not one sided it has two sides to a story are then linked with somehow sympathising with the Axis sides.
If you look at it as good guys V bad guys then hearing about the official allowance of millions of german POW's to die or millions of women and children raped and murdered by the allies is going to dent that vision of the allies somehow being the supermen saving the world. Now, I am glad we won and hold dearly the principles that we fought for in WWII. However, there is no doubt that we undertook our fair share of atrocities, war crimes whatever one wishes to call them. Does that upset me? not anymore than what the germans and japanese did to our troops and civillians but, I accept that it happened.
That shows that at a base level, whatever uniform one is wearing, crappy things can be done and, that humans are relatively the same. some don't like that but, sadly it seems to be a truism
Its why the US tried to supress the russians power and input at Nuremburg due to the dispicable way they treat german civillians, things like the Katyn massacre which, was used in defence in the trials, as it was they who perpetrated the action against the poles. Its also sadly, why the trials have been tarred with the ''victors justice'' label because of issues mentioned.
Its why german admirals were not hanged for the actions of the U-Boat men and the orders about treatment of ship survivors as the allies did exactly the same during WWII.
Its not about changing someones mind or opinion as, others have tried to do in other threads about prices etc its nice to debate these things without ''your just not getting it'' or, no matter how many people tell you'' its showing that there are two sides to a conflict. There are good german and bad germans, good japs and bad japs and, there are good allies and bad allies.
Mitch
Yeah, that's true and since then I've decided it's not worth it. Since then I've not gotten involved in anything controversial. Finally learned my lesson. Nothing like a reformed person, e.g. smoker :smile2:
On any historical discussion that could be considered controversial, be it Vietnam, LAH or American Civil War, does what we say really change other's mind. Not in the least. So, why bother and get yourself worked up.
Lastly, why would you offend me ^&confuse I've never used the feature. I like to know what everyone says, even if I don't agree with them. Does the fact that we stick someone on the ignore list mean that the person goes away. No, they're still there.
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