StuG: Another reason to ditch the dead French guy & sign (5 Viewers)

Canadian Samurai

Canadian Samurai

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As I've said before, when I get the new FoB StuG I plan to use it to replicate Ron Volstad's great illustration depicting the invasion of the Soviet Union by combining it with WS40 (http://www.dragonmodelsltd.com/catalog/dml/new/6180/6180.jpg). So today I was doing some research to find out if the markings on the FoB correspond to a unit that took part in Operation Barbarossa. Now I may have made a mistake, but I IDed the skull emblem on the StuG's hull as indicating it belonged to Sturmartillerie/Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 192 (here's one site that shows this: http://crn.32.free.fr/site/ARCHIVES/insigne division all.htm. Sure enough, no problem, the 192nd was part of Army Group Center at the forefront of Barbarossa, so it's perfect for my diorama!

But then I noticed something else: this StuG unit wasn't formed until Nov. 1940, which means there was no way it could have taken part in the invasion of France as depicted in the FoB K&C set! :eek: In fact I think this unit only ever saw action on the Eastern front. So while I think the StuG itself is perfectly accurate, the inclusion of the French casualty and sign are not!

I'd like to hear other's thoughts on this. Is this a K&C boo-boo or have I IDed this StuG unit incorrectly? :confused:
 
My thought is, tell me what you want for the dead guy, I'd like to have it.
Ray :rolleyes:
 
Seriously, once I get the StuG I'd be happy to trade or sell the dead guy and/or sign to anyone who wants. PM me if interested.
 
Sturmartillerie-Abteilung 192
Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 192 (7 Feb 41)

11 Nov 40 ordered formed in WK III with three batteries and transferred to Huta-Dambrova, Poland shortly afterwards
5 Mar 41 assigned to XXXXIV Corps, 4th Army, Army Group B
4 Jun 41 XII Corps, 4th Army, Army Group Center
14, 22 Jun 41 XII Corps, 2nd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
8-15 Jul 41 XXXXVII Corps (mot.), 2nd Panzer Group, Army Group Center
16 Jul 41-? 2nd Army, Army Group Center
22 Sep, 5 Oct 41 XIII Corps, 2nd Army, Army Group Center
24 Dec 41 4th Army, Army Group Center
Mar 42 transferred to Germany and deactivated
9 Apr 42 consolidated with Sturmgeschütz-Batterie 640 and redesignated as Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung Großdeutschland
E VI./Artillerie-Lehr-Regiment (Jüterbog, WK III); 200 (Schweinfurt, WK XIII, from 1 Apr 41)
SE: Jun II 41; Apr I 42, withdraw
 
Hi Oz,

Can you give me the source of the information you posted. I like that kind of detail and would like to get the website or book it came from.

Thanks

Dave
 
Canadian Samurai said:
As I've said before, when I get the new FoB StuG I plan to use it to replicate Ron Volstad's great illustration depicting the invasion of the Soviet Union by combining it with WS40 (http://www.dragonmodelsltd.com/catalog/dml/new/6180/6180.jpg). So today I was doing some research to find out if the markings on the FoB correspond to a unit that took part in Operation Barbarossa. Now I may have made a mistake, but I IDed the skull emblem on the StuG's hull as indicating it belonged to Sturmartillerie/Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 192 (here's one site that shows this: http://crn.32.free.fr/site/ARCHIVES/insigne division all.htm. Sure enough, no problem, the 192nd was part of Army Group Center at the forefront of Barbarossa, so it's perfect for my diorama!

But then I noticed something else: this StuG unit wasn't formed until Nov. 1940, which means there was no way it could have taken part in the invasion of France as depicted in the FoB K&C set! :eek: In fact I think this unit only ever saw action on the Eastern front. So while I think the StuG itself is perfectly accurate, the inclusion of the French casualty and sign are not!

I'd like to hear other's thoughts on this. Is this a K&C boo-boo or have I IDed this StuG unit incorrectly? :confused:
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Hello CC,

I was think the same, specially that I also develop an Eastern Front Dio, so as K&C doesn’t has any plan to make Eastern battles characters, I decided to buy figurines form others set-battles.

I noticed that this StuG was in the beginning of Barbarossa, and I think that even Mr. Michael Wittman used one to attack some Russians tanks in the east.

Could we see some pics of your Barbarossa Dio?

Cheers :rolleyes:
 
Thanks Oz,

Very good detail on that site I will be reading some more of it for sure!

All the best

Dave
 
Debrito,

For sure, I can definitely post pics once I have it assembled. I have to add it to my backlog of figures/scenes to take pictures of. For now it will also just be a "diorama" on the shelf - I'll look into getting an appropriate Ukraine background later. I also bought the guy kneeling with the binoculars from WS038 loose to scout ahead for my little squad. Eastern front is my favourite theatre and I gather it's yours too.

Interesting that Wittmann was a stug commander too - found that out a few days ago myself. Apparently the driver of a StuG could turn his whole gun platform using the tracks faster than some of the manually-cranked tank turrets.

Another interesting thing about the StuG is that it was originally conceived purely as an infatry fighting vehicle/assault gun to attack bunkers etc. rather than enemy tanks. Its gun could elevate quite high to even provide indirect fire. Without the right shell the short gun version's anti-tank gun capability wasn't great, however it had excellent sighting optics which compensated somewhat. But it made a great support vehicle for the infantry squads. Later though the Germans developed the long gun StuG, turning it into yet another anti-tank vehicle (along with Marder, Hetzer, Jadgpanzer, Jagdpather etc.), which it was not originally designed to be, leaving the infantry without their intended support. They also ruined its appearance IMO - it went from being very nicely streamlined to bulging and bulky.
 
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Canadian Samurai said:
Debrito,

For sure, I can definitely post pics once I have it assembled. I have to add it to my backlog of figures/scenes to take pictures of. For now it will also just be a "diorama" on the shelf - I'll look into getting an appropriate Ukraine background later. I also bought the guy kneeling with the binoculars from WS038 loose to scout ahead for my little squad. Eastern front is my favourite theatre and I gather it's yours too.

Interesting that Wittmann was a stug commander too - found that out a few days ago myself. Apparently the driver of a StuG could turn his whole gun platform using the tracks faster than some of the manually-cranked tank turrets.

Another interesting thing about the StuG is that it was originally conceived purely as an infatry fighting vehicle/assault gun to attack bunkers etc. rather than enemy tanks. Its gun could elevate quite high to even provide indirect fire. Without the right shell the short gun version's anti-tank gun capability wasn't great, however it had excellent sighting optics which compensated somewhat. But it made a great support vehicle for the infantry squads. Later though the Germans developed the long gun StuG, turning it into yet another anti-tank vehicle (along with Marder, Hetzer, Jadgpanzer, Jagdpather etc.), which it was not originally designed to be, leaving the infantry without their intended support. They also ruined its appearance IMO - it went from being very nicely streamlined to bulging and bulky.
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Didn't it perform wonders on several fronts?.Amassing kills of a far greater percentage in relation to the number of Stugs.I really like this vehicle and don't mind how many variations we get.I also heard that it was so popular with the front line troops that they became dispirited when they saw the Stugs leaving to rearm/fuel.

Rob
 
Just a suggestion here with a few slight modifications and paint make the dead Frenchman a dead Russian?
O.C.
 
Interesting idea. Russians also used the Adrian helmet at the beginning of the war. The backpack would have to be changed though. Probably beyond my skills to modify but someone else might want to give it a go. Now if only K&C had put a Russian message on the flip side of the sign so you could choose.:D
 
Some French even fought with the Germans. How about making him a member of the SS Charlemagne Division?
 
Can some of you armour experts give me some examples of other variations/theatres we could have for the Stug but also the Jagdpanther?.:)

Rob
 
I give a try.

The Jagdpanther started the war in early 1944, so they were use on different fronts west and east. Concerning the StuG they start the production in early 1941 until the end. They were used more as a anti-tank weapon.

Cheers:)
 
Wonder if we may get a winter Jagdpanther,would be cool.Also how good does the new AK Stug look?;)

Rob
 
Rob, most of the short gun StuGs wouldn't have survived through the war long enough to be seen alongside the Jagdpanther (a late war tank destroyer). Try instead the long gun StuG which K&C released earlier.
 
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