The Great Patriotic War. 1941-1945 (2 Viewers)

[tank]

Tank even ventures into civilian matters claiming superiority of Russian products. For example during our Bush Fires he blamed the Australian government for not using a specific Russian Fire Fighting Aircraft. There are many sound reasons why that didn't happen.

No amount of posts on multiple threads are going to convince people of anything very different to something they already believe.

Here are two versions of an entertaining saying that is usually credited to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.

These planes were made in a powerless and miserable Russia

Antonov An-124

Tupolev Tu-160

Beriev Be-200

This plane was made in the strong and wealthy Australia.

GippsAero GA8 Airvan



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Vasily Tsymbal

A Japanese destroyer (it was carried a pair of helicopters) crossed the border between neutral waters and the territory of the USSR. Unfortunately for the Japanese Vasya Tsymbal’s SU-27 was on patrol mission.

The Su-27 turned and began to dive at the destroyer. Japanese were seriously scared as no one of them knew if the Soviet pilot was ordered to attack with a bomb. At a cruising speed, the SU-27 flew 5-6 meters above the deck of the destroyer and literally blew one of the helicopters into the water. After that. apparently in a wave of the excitement the pilots sended the radio message:«Пиздец котёнку!» what meant“**** the kitty!”

The Japanese, having heard the Russian swearing turned the ship around and gave full speed.

But this wasn’t the end yet. While the Japanese ship was in the waters of the Soviet Union, Vasya Tsymbal flew ones more over the destryer and turned on the fuel drain and poured kerosene rain on the troops of the rising sun.The descendants of the samurai could not stand such a shame and at the base, ran to the higher authorities to complain about the rude Russians.

To prevent the international scandal the Command sent Vasya Tsymbal as far as possible from the Japan to the other end of the Russia.





Vasily Tsimbal Su-27 from the 941st fighter air defense regiment, based near Murmansk was raised on alarm September 13, 1987.
The Norwegian Air Force patrol aircraft Orion, spotted by the Soviet radar, became his target.

The Soviet pilot saw that the “Orion” was not just following the movement of ships — it was also dropping buoys into the sea. Vasily performed passages under the Norwegian plane, at the exit merging rapidly dispersing kerosene and thus creating a cloud that prevented Orion from carrying out his task normally. The Viking descendant stubbornly didn't give up and continued to throw his load into the sea. Then Tsymbal slowed down the SU-27 and began to fly below the Orion and rising slowly higher, as if “squeezing” the enemy to a higher height. At 7000 meters, the Orion pilot got tired of it, so he started dumping buoys right on the SU-27.

Russian pilot could not endure such an impudent behavior and Vasya began to perform aerobatics maneuvers, either moving away from the Norwegian, or attack it from the back. The Scandinavian somehow didn’t care, so Tsymbal began to spiral around him. The Orion began to slow down in the hope that the Soviet fighter would fall off, and ...

Either the Norwegian did not calculate, or Vasya got too carried away, but at some point one of the Orion screws hit the tip of the SU-27 tail keel.
The propeller shattered into pieces and they severely damaged the Orion’s fuselage and engine.

After that, no no one was thinking of any buoy dropping. The Norwegian could only pray that his plane reached the base safely
It turned around and began to leave the scene of a collision with Su-27 at his remaining three engines.

But Vasya Tsymbal would not have been Vasya Tsymbal if he would missed the opportunity to mock the defeated enemy ones more. The SU-27 caught up with the “Orion” and poured it’s fuel on cabin and fuselage of the “Orion” ( as he said “piss on” on the entire NATO). After that Vasya Tsymbal turned his SU-27 around and flew back to Murmansk.

The Norwegian pilot did not forget to hand over to the authorities all the videos and photographs, which clearly show both the plane and Vasin’s physiognomy.

The next morning, the corps commander arrives in the regiment and Tsymbal was transferred to the city of Krymsk in the Krasnodar, where he served until the end of his days.

In parting, the comrades drew the icon of the defeated “Orion" on Vasya Tsymbal plane.



For a long time after Vasya’s transfer, the NATO pilots broadcast greetings to him on the radio, and former fellow pilots sended the radio messages like “Ahtung! Achtung! Vasya Tsymbal in the air! ”








As you can see the Russian not just can’t build a beautiful planes as Australia can but they are extremely rude too.

Shame on them!


Specifically for you I put some videos so you can see what crazy Russians do to the innocent people.

God bless you, GoldDigger.





Russia defends warplanes flying "dangerously close" to U.S. ship

https://youtu.be/v1DnXoidn-w



Russian fighter jet flies within feet of a US Air Force reconnaissance plane

https://youtu.be/dH2ex69GGPY




Russian Su-27 Forces Away NATO F-15 After It Approaches Of The Russian Federation Plane.


https://youtu.be/i7iyDCchsg8




Watch the moment US and Russian battleships nearly collide in the Pacific


https://youtu.be/ts9etUttdLw

 

[waynepoo]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsWRDTMZsw



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[OzDigger]

Ha Ha All that gear and the Russians couldn't defeat Simple villagers in a Desert environment {sm3}

 

[OzDigger]

How Russia started World War Two.

 

[tank]

Ha Ha All that gear and the Russians couldn't defeat Simple villagers in a Desert environment {sm3}

In 2017, the Australian media corporation ABC due to the leak of secret documents from the Ministry of Defense of Australia, began to publish materials about how the operations of the special forces of Australia in Afghanistan were carried out.

A series of revealing articles has been called “Afghan Files.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07...-afghans-by-australian-special-forces/8466642



From 2009 to 2013 at least ten cases were recorded when the Australian special forces in disputed situations fired to kill, resulting in the death of unarmed Afghans, including children. In one case, an Afghan man and his sleeping six-year-old child were killed in a house raid.

The video from the helmet-mounted camera of a soldier of the special regiment of the Australia shows the shooting by an Australian special forces soldier of an unarmed peaceful Afghan farmer lying in a field.


https://youtu.be/oKAjxCYaFMo










The Baltic Sea. The spring of 1945.


The deadliest Russian submarine attack.



On January 9 1945 at 23:08 the submarine “S-13” fired 4 torpedoes.

The “Wilhelm Gustloff”" drowned as a result of the attack of the submarine "S-13".

According to official figures, 5348 people died in it: including 90 crew members, 406 officers and sailors of the 2 training submarine division, 250 female military personnel.


When the commander of the S-13 was asked does he knon who was the victim of his attacks A.I. Marinesko replied: “We don’t know whom we drowned, but we know that we sent to the bottom the fascist ship of large displacement.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff

The figures from Heinz Schön's research make the loss in the sinking to be 9,343 total, including about 5,000 children.[SUP][23][/SUP]
Schön’s more recent research is backed up by estimates? made by a different method. [SUP]][/SUP] it was estimated 9,600 people died out of more than 10,600 on board.





The British Air Force’s Most Successful Air Attack.

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In April 1945, Karl Kaufmann, Gauleiter of Hamburg and Reich Commissioner for merchant shipping, transferred the Cap Arcona and the Thielbek from naval command, and ordered them to Neustadt Bay in the Baltic Sea near the north German city of Lübeck.

Some 5,000 prisoners hastily evacuated from the Neuengamme concentration camp (a few miles southeast of Hamburg) were brought on board the Cap Arcona between April 18 and 26, along with some 400 SS guards, a naval gunnery detail of 500, and a crew of 76.
Similarly the Thielbek took on some 2,800 Neuengamme prisoners.


On the afternoon of May 2 and the morning of May 3, two pieces of intelligence were handed to British commanders. The first was handed to the liberating forces of Lübeck, the 11th Armoured Division, by an International Committee Red Cross delegate (ICRC). The second was presented to British forces by a Swedish Red Cross (SRC) delegate.
Both informed the British that camp prisoners were being held aboard ships in Neustadt Bay.


On the afternoon of May 3, 1945, British "Typhoon" fighter-bombers, striking in several attack waves, bombarded and fired on the Cap Arcona and then the Thielbek. The two ships, which had no military function or mission, were flying many large white flags. "The hoisting of white flags proved useless," notes the Encyclopedia of the Third Reich. The attacks were thus violations of international law, for which -- if Britain and not Germany had been the vanquished power -- British pilots and their commanders could have been punished and even executed as “war criminals."

“Aircraft suddenly appeared. We clearly saw their markings. “These are the British! Look, we are civilian! We are prisoners of concentration camps! ”
We shouted and waved their hands. We waved our striped camp hats and pointed to our striped clothes, but there was no compassion for us. The British began throwing napalm at the shaking and burning “Cap Arcona”. At the next approach, the plane went down. Now it was 15 meters from the deck, we clearly saw the pilot’s face and thought that we had nothing to fear.
But then bombs fell from the belly of the plane ... Some fell onto the deck, others into the water ... They shot at us and those who jumped into the water from machine guns. The water around the sinking bodies turned red”...

wrote Benjamin Jacobs in The Dentist of Auschwitz.

The 263rd Squadron of RAF led by Martin Rumbolt, attacked the “Cap Arcon". Each of the eight aircraft had eight missiles. All 64 hit the target.

The 198 squadron of RAF under Johnny Baldwin command made a combat approach. Five aircraft attacked the ship “Germany” and four attacked the “Tilbeck”.

“Thielbek” went to the bottom first only in 20 minutes after a the attack. People who were on the surface of the sea were killed with the airplane machine guns. As a result only about 50 crew members and guards and about 50 prisoners survived.


Striking accuracy was also demonstrated by the 197 squadron RAF. Out of 16 bombs which it dropped on the “Cap Arkona” 15 bombs hit the target.

“Cap Arkona” caught fire and rolled over. Passengers who survived the bombing were shot by airplanes machine guns and SS guards who were ordered to destroy all the people on board the attacked ships.

RAF Pilot Allan Wyse of No. 193 Squadron RAF recalled,

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“We used our cannon fire at the chaps in the water… we shot them up with 20 mm cannons in the water. Horrible thing, but we were told to do it and we did it. That’s war.”

Allan Wyse durring the training - 2nd from right.

Maritime registries say that 5594 people died on board the “Cap Arcon". And this is the second largest marine disaster in the history of mankind. The “Tilbek” with approximately 2,800 dead ranks seventh on this sad list.
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[OzDigger]

Watch how the Russians caused the Deaths of Millions of their Own People!

 

[tank]

Watch how the Russians caused the Deaths of Millions of their Own People!

Uhhh, that’s great. Is there anything else do you want to tell me?

You might want to tell me about:

EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS
https://katehon.com/article/eisenhowers-death-camps


The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book “Other Losses" by James Bacque.


James Bacque
-“Whenever a historian denies that the Western Allies mass murdered German POWs, I recall a conversation I had with an elderly German couple in the late 1990s. After the wife told me she had been in Berlin when the Red Army captured the city, I asked them the following question: Do you know that the Western Allies, led by the United States of America, intentionally starved to death approximately 1 million German prisoners of war after the war was over?

An agonizing look of pain overtook the husband as they both said “Yes.” The agonizing look of pain on the husband’s face did not result from his merely reading a book. His pain was caused by something he had lived through. Unfortunately, since he is German, most historians could care less about his pain and suffering.”

Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses

I just want to inform you that I have not the slightest interest in arguing with anyone who attacks me with propaganda and not with facts supported by archival documents.

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With all my respect to the Forum participants:

Please do not post non-relevant materials here.
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If you do not like the topic, please ignore it.
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Sincerely. Tank.



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The Great Patriotic War 1941-1945

March 1945, Vasily Vataman - a soldier of the engineering assault battalion.



“Heroes and deeds”
- Volume 2 - Page 294-295 M. F. Loshits
The military. publishing house, 1964


“WASN'T CONFUSED"...

Colonel Reserve A. EGOROV. Memories.

- "1945 year. On March 24, the city of Neisse was almost completely cleared of the enemy. In street battles took part the infantry, self-propelled gunners, sappers, and tank destroyers. They fought fiercely. By dusk the battle died out. It became safe to move around the city and I went to find the Colonel M. Komlev CP. The regiment, which he commanded, was the first to break into the city.

I thought that I would be able to find fresh material needed for my new article. At the command post I was given one of the reports written on a piece of paper torn from a student’s notebook. Among several names of well-fought fighters,there was the name Wataman Vasily, I read:

“Private Wataman Vasily Vasilievich killed four enemy soldiers durring the attack on the outskirts of the Neisse and later in a hand-to-hand combat he killed another fascist officer and a soldier by a Faustpatrone which he was using as a sledgehammer”

The next morning, I went to the unit in which Wataman fought.
I come to a small group of soldiers who were listening a strong, medium-sized guy. He was telling something to his comrades. I walked over and heard the part of his story of yesterday’s battle.

The unit attacked the enemy line of defense. After jump unsuccessfully Wataman fell into the trench and at this moment a Nazi officer jumped out from a bend of the trench and kicked the carbine from Wataman hands.

- “It would have been much worse If this Faustpatrone wouldn’t caught my eye” said Wataman.

-“The German officer did not have time for a blink, as I smashed him with the Faustpatrone on his forehead. I turned to pick my carbine up and I seen the second German. Well, one hit was enough for him too.”

The lieutenant who was in the group of soldiers laughed:

-"Great, what a nice way to use the fascist equipment.”

-“Well, it turned out to be a very convenient thing”. said Vasily and he picked up one of the Faustpatrones standing near the fence.

I asked Wataman to raise the Faustpatrone a little higher and I pressed the shutter of the camera.
When Wataman realized that I was taking picture of him and not photograph Faustpatrone, he blushed and hurried off somewhere.
I failed to meet Wataman Vasily again. His unit received a combat order and it left for its implementation.”


There is a little information about the soldier. His soldier's card contains information that he was born in the Moldavian SSR, Edinets district, the village of Rotunda, in 1921. There is also information about the award of Wataman - Order of the Patriotic War II degree.
About when he was drafted into the Red army and what happened to Wataman after the end of the war, is unknown.

 

[OzDigger]

Dear Ozdigger

Thanks for clarification
I don't hate him, I firstly thought he was somebody of my age ( 70 + ), ex member of the Party, babling .
Then I thought the guy was very young just defending brain washed badly digested propaganda and begon to answer gently with some facts; as the German-Soviet pact . More and more the kind of non answers he gave convinced me that he was indeed very young and completey besoted, so I choose to tease him, no way, it goes over his head .
Now you say he is 52, this changes my perception of him.. again .
Or is it pure provocation from him ? No . Just eventualy a potential danger for democracy . It remember me, now, of an older colleague when I began to work 50 years ago, he was a convinced Maoiste trying to enlist me, even giving me the Little Red Book . Once seeing me laughing each time he professed his convictions he asked me : What would you do if we were at war with a communist country ?" My answer, automatic, without having to think about it, was : " I put you directly in jail, no potential traitor in my back .." 50 years after, my answer stay the same ; he has the right to speak freely his mind . At least we are aware of who/what he is .
I will try to control any visceral reaction to his posts .

Thanks again

Dear Mirof,

It was Tank himself that said he was; The Most Hated Person on the forum, I suspect he is correct. It was sad to see the change in him over recent months, we don't know why he started to post all this rubbish, perhaps some head injury or illness. Of course most forum members have put him on their ignore list, which I can understand considering he posts the rubbish on an almost daily basis.

I note your experience with Communism at work. I'm not personally aware of any Communists at my work place. However it often astounds me how Stupidly Ignorant some people are. I work in the construction industry and several years ago a work colleague said he didn't believe the Americans landed people on the Moon back in 1969 and subsequently. I was dumbfounded, especially considering he was, and still is, a friend of mine. I asked him if he actually watched the Mission on Television, the Saturn V Rocket take off and enter Space, orbit the Moon, Land on the Moon, the Men Walk on the Moon then Return to Earth. He said he believed everything Except that they actually Landed on the Moon. I explained to him how it was achieved including the fact in some respects it would actually be easier to land on the Moon than do the same on Earth due to the lower gravity. Of course it wasn't any easy achievement, the Russians gave up early on. Even now with all the latest technology it isn't easy to achieve, even with unmanned vehicles, as India has recently discovered.

I'm sure most people wouldn't have bothered to discuss the matter with my work colleague, just dismiss him as some Conspiracy Nut. However I do respect the Truth, he is a friend, and I am interested in Science as much as Military History. With Tank I doubt we will be able to convince him that his beliefs are Rubbish based on Russian WW2 and Putinist Propaganda. You would think at 57 he would have the experience and knowledge to correctly interpret what he reads, but apparently he doesn't. Should we just Ignore what he says or try to Enlighten him to the Truth. I believe the latter should at least be attempted, for his sake, as much as anyone else.

 

[OzDigger]

The Battle around the Pusan Perimeter during 1950 saw a showdown between the relatively untried American Pershing WW2 tank and the WW2 Russian made T-34/85. Neither had encountered each other in battle before, but the outcome would establish who made the Best Armour.

 

[tank]

The USSR border guards were the first who take the blow of the German military machine.



The border guards turned out to be an unpleasant surprise for the Germans. For the capture of the border outposts was allotted time from half an hour to two. But the outposts were held them position for days and even weeks.

“Already at 10.45 on June 22, the deputy chief of the Western Border District, Brigade Commander P. Kurlykin, reported to the headquarters:“ The battles are fought on the entire front, communications have been broken in almost all units, border guards are fighting to the end ”...

"... 86th Border Detachment. The 1st outpost of senior lieutenant A.N.Sivachev was located near the village of Golovenchitsy, The senior lieutenant A.N.Sivachev defended it for 12 hours untill he died’...


"... The 9th outpost of Lieutenant Kizhevatov took the battle in the Brest Fortress. Together with the soldiers of the Red Army, border guards stood until the end. By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated May 6, 1965, Lieutenant A.M. Kizhevatov was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union, one of the border outpost was named after him ... “

"... For several days, the 10th outpost of junior lieutenant MK Ishkov fought the enemy. On June 25, 1941, the Nazis surrounded the surviving border guards in a brick shed and offered them to surrender." We will not disgrace the glorious name of the Soviet border guard, we’ll all die, but we won’t surrender to the fascists! “- such was the answer of the heroes ...”


"... The border guards of the 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th outposts courageously fought with the enemy.

Junior sergeant A.A. Novikov, a border guard of the 15th outpost of the Brest border detachment, fought on the banks of the Western Bug River for several hours alone . Mortally wounded he was captured by the Nazis but Novikov found the strength to whisper to the local residents: Alexey Novikov ... I have fulfilled my duty to the Motherland to the end ... "


All border guards fulfilled their duty to the end. None of the outposts left without an order. Each of them became an impregnable fortress for the enemy. “

Senior lieutenant Grigory Stepanovich Povoda and his detachment.
On the morning of June 22, 1941, after the shelling began, the command of the detachment, Colonel Y. I. Tarutino and the battalion commissar G.V. Utkin, brought all available forces into combat readiness and united them into three companies. One of them was commanded by senior lieutenant Polyvoda. He was entrusted with the task of defending the railway bridge, power station and a train station. The battle for the bridge lasted more than ten hours, but the forces were unequal. At noon, the command gave the order to leave Przemysl. In the evening, the command reinforced the detachment of senior lieutenant Polyvoda with an anti-tank and machine-gun companys and ordered to drive the Nazis out of the city on the night of June 23. Late at night, the detachment attacked the Germans. The blow was strong and unexpected. Using the confusion of the Nazis, Russian fighters successfully developed the offensive and by the evening of the 23rd the right-bank part of the city was freed fron the Nazis.
For five days the units held Przemysl, successfully repelling the attacks of the Germans. And only after the order of the front commander, on the morning of June 27 the detachment of senior lieutenant Polyvoda left the city.
June 29, during the repulsion of one of the attacks of the Nazis, Senior Lieutenant Grigory Stepanovich Polivoda was killed...

The story of a veteran in the newspaper Red Star.


"At the beginning of the war, I was in the border units of the Red Army. On June 22 after lunch me and another two soldiers were ordered to delivered an ammunition to a border outpost. When we were approaching the outpost,we could heard the firing of a single machine gun. When we crawled to the trenches of the border guards, we saw that the all border guards were killed.


The wife of the dead border outpost chief was shoting from the machine gun and her son was passing the ammunition to her”...
Can you imagine? One woman and a child detained the Germans before reinforcements arrived.


Who knows about them? How many of them, unknown, lie there!

In the middle of the steppe there is a monument. “Here lies 5 thousand (!) Red Army fighters” written on it.
And that’s all...


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