The Little Bighorn (4 Viewers)

[UKReb]

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I wonder if he has any idea of the adventures that now await him!

With Rebs or Indians John????

Reb

 

[eborris]

Picked this guy up at the London show on Saturday-now if he was only dressed in buckskins and not carrying that darn saber

Got to get this thread back on track somehow

Reb

Nice, who makes him?

 

[eborris]

Are you another Rock head? One of the great war comics of its day.. I still collect certain titles ( mostly horror, but I do have the entire NAM series ) I have thought about getting Rock back issues, but my trains and soldiers are taking up all the free space..Michael

No, but I used to read them all the time as a kid. Good old tough as nails Sgt Rock.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Picked this guy up at the London show on Saturday-now if he was only dressed in buckskins and not carrying that darn saber

Got to get this thread back on track somehow

Reb

Surely little things like a saber and blues will not stand in your way Bob? We have all seen those fabulous modifications in your stories.

 

[Njja]

With Rebs or Indians John????

Reb

With Rebs of course..........unless you have a little Bighorn adventure planned!

 

[eborris]

Okay would you call it ironic, that the only guy that made a move to save Custer, Weir is rumored to have had an affair with Custer's wife?

Okay then, how about a guy who was convicted of treason and sentenced to death, the sentence was later commuted was the only guy to carry a saber on the field at the Little Big Horn?

 

[maddadicus]

Okay would you call it ironic, that the only guy that made a move to save Custer, Weir is rumored to have had an affair with Custer's wife?

Okay then, how about a guy who was convicted of treason and sentenced to death, the sentence was later commuted was the only guy to carry a saber on the field at the Little Big Horn?

That might be De Rudio, who was convicted in an assasination plot to kill Emperor Louis Napoleon. Not sure about the Weir / Libbie stuff..Michael

 

[UKReb]

Nice, who makes him?

Ed

He was made by one of the now defunct Russian Petersburg studios. The dealer wanted £175.00 ($285.00) early during the show-too rich for me-I have a couple of Russian pieces in the collection and know that trade price for such mounted figures range from £80-90 per piece. I kept going back to the guy during the course of the morning and early afternoon and the price slowly reduced- in the end he said "Make me an offer" which I did and finally got him for £95.00 which might still be a bit rich for some collectors-but you don't see as many of these as you obviously see with say Britain's or K&C.

The photos don't really do the figure justice-the painting is exceptional and note the fine detail on the saddle furniture particularly the bridle reins which are nicely scaled to the riders hand. Uniform is civil war-note the two thin yellow stripes on the pants etc.

I posted him on this thread because he would make a darn good "boy general" with a little conversion such as longer hair/more detailed facial hair/sailors collared shirt/and a general's promotion and you would have Autie at the Shenandoah showdown.

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[UKReb]

Okay would you call it ironic, that the only guy that made a move to save Custer, Weir is rumored to have had an affair with Custer's wife?

Weir after serving in the war where he was breveted a lieutenant colonel was appointed to the newly formed 7th Cavalry in 1867 as a first lieutenant and quickly promoted to captain. During the Hancock campaign he remained in Fort Hayes where his relationship with Libbie Custer most probably came under scrutiny. Weir served as Libbie's escort in Custer's absence-a normal practice for officers at frontier posts-rumours circulated that the two were an item and no doubt is why Custer left his command in the field and made his mad-dash across Kansas which resulted in his court martial.(worth noting here that the rumours were perpetuated by no other than our old friend Benteen-he surely hated the Custers)

After the LBH, Weir wrote to Libbie Custer, (a woman who he probably did love as did a number of officers in the 7th-she was an extremely attractive woman with deep auburn hair and always dressed very chic) stating that he would completely vindicate accusations against Custer. But before he could get to her with whatever information he perceived as being relevant he died-he was in the advance stages of alcoholism and suffered congestion of the brain in December 1876 whilst on recruiting duties in New York.

Numerous references to Weir's relationship with the Custers can be found in umpteen books such as Elizabeth Bacon Custer and the Making of a Myth but no verifiable supporting evidence exists to indicate that Libbie engaged in anything more than a flirtatious interest in Weir.

My take on this story is- pure "Benteen bile" and my evidence- Libbie Custer most definitely was no advocate of the "Devil's Brew" (and Weir was indeed a drinking man) which is why Custer gave up his hooch when they became engaged-never again did a drop pass his lips!

Reb

 

[eborris]

That might be De Rudio, who was convicted in an assasination plot to kill Emperor Louis Napoleon. Not sure about the Weir / Libbie stuff..Michael

Indeed it was De Rudio.

 

[eborris]

Weir after serving in the war where he was breveted a lieutenant colonel was appointed to the newly formed 7th Cavalry in 1867 as a first lieutenant and quickly promoted to captain. During the Hancock campaign he remained in Fort Hayes where his relationship with Libbie Custer most probably came under scrutiny. Weir served as Libbie's escort in Custer's absence-a normal practice for officers at frontier posts-rumours circulated that the two were an item and no doubt is why Custer left his command in the field and made his mad-dash across Kansas which resulted in his court martial.(worth noting here that the rumours were perpetuated by no other than our old friend Benteen-he surely hated the Custers)

After the LBH, Weir wrote to Libbie Custer, (a woman who he probably did love as did a number of officers in the 7th-she was an extremely attractive woman with deep auburn hair and always dressed very chic) stating that he would completely vindicate accusations against Custer. But before he could get to her with whatever information he perceived as being relevant he died-he was in the advance stages of alcoholism and suffered congestion of the brain in December 1876 whilst on recruiting duties in New York.

Numerous references to Weir's relationship with the Custers can be found in umpteen books such as Elizabeth Bacon Custer and the Making of a Myth but no verifiable supporting evidence exists to indicate that Libbie engaged in anything more than a flirtatious interest in Weir.

My take on this story is- pure "Benteen bile" and my evidence- Libbie Custer most definitely was no advocate of the "Devil's Brew" (and Weir was indeed a drinking man) which is why Custer gave up his hooch when they became engaged-never again did a drop pass his lips!

Reb

Sounds like the rumors worried Custer a little bit.

Congestion of the brain? I've been accused of suffering from that myself, but I tend to ignore the comments as they come from my ex-wives.

 

[trooper]

Looking at Custer's movements at LBH it appears as though he was employing Brigade tactics on a regimental level, which might have worked if indeed he had had a brigade. Is it possible that the hard marching and lack of sleep had dulled his senses to the stage where he fell back on the familiar rather than making the effort to cope with the unknown?

 

[forlornhoper]

Re: Custer, Wall Street & The Little Big Horn

History has caught up with G A Custer,Civil war hero he may have been ,Indian Fighter he was not.He was taking an active part in the then US Govenments military solution to the indian problem,known now as genocide or ethnic cleansing.To call this man a hero is a disgrace and an insult to the memory of all the american indians who were physically destroyed and or removed from their land by force by white men who had betrayed their agreements with the indians.Custers morality is clearly questionable even in his time,so to say he was a man of his time,is no defense for his despicable moral decisions.He was clearly vain glorious and a military incompetant who took great pleasure in killing non combatants and met his rightful end in a skirmish that he could have prevented if he had demonstrated any tactical knowledge which he clearly lacked.History has withered away the veil of martyrdom of Custer and replaced it with the darker sinister veil of the morally corrupt individual who met his end whilst in pursuit of the annihilation of a fellow race of human beings.

 

[bromhead]

Re: Custer, Wall Street & The Little Big Horn

History has caught up with G A Custer,Civil war hero he may have been ,Indian Fighter he was not.He was taking an active part in the then US Govenments military solution to the indian problem,known now as genocide or ethnic cleansing.To call this man a hero is a disgrace and an insult to the memory of all the american indians who were physically destroyed and or removed from their land by force by white men who had betrayed their agreements with the indians.Custers morality is clearly questionable even in his time,so to say he was a man of his time,is no defense for his despicable moral decisions.He was clearly vain glorious and a military incompetant who took great pleasure in killing non combatants and met his rightful end in a skirmish that he could have prevented if he had demonstrated any tactical knowledge which he clearly lacked.History has withered away the veil of martyrdom of Custer and replaced it with the darker sinister veil of the morally corrupt individual who met his end whilst in pursuit of the annihilation of a fellow race of human beings.

Would that be your version of history? As the same has been applied to the allied airmen who bombed the reich with a few names sustituted.

 

[forlornhoper]

Bromhead ,this thread was about Custer and The Little Big Horn,so perhaps you should start a thread about allied airmen of ww2 and i will give you a historical perpsective on that as well,but how you can compare allied airmen and Custers part in attempted genocide is beyond reason.

 

[bromhead]

Bromhead ,this thread was about Custer and The Little Big Horn,so perhaps you should start a thread about allied airmen of ww2 and i will give you a historical perpsective on that as well,but how you can compare allied airmen and Custers part in attempted genocide is beyond reason.

Pvt,,,,,,,,An order or a suggestion? most historical revisionists have no problem.with threads or reason,,,enjoy seeing your opinions on Vietnam.

 

[trooper]

Gentlemen, it is no use looking back at history with modern ideals, times and mindset were different then. What is unthinkable and reprehensible today was considered to be the logical answer at that time. As we progress we hopefully learn from the mistakes of the past and do not repeat them. But it must be remembered that the actions of the day were governed by the thoughts of that day. In years to come our activities will be evaluated and no doubt many will be ridiculed and some will cause open mouthed shock and horror to our descendants. The same applies to our view of the past, try to look back with impartiality.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Gentlemen, it is no use looking back at history with modern ideals, times and mindset were different then. What is unthinkable and reprehensible today was considered to be the logical answer at that time. As we progress we hopefully learn from the mistakes of the past and do not repeat them. But it must be remembered that the actions of the day were governed by the thoughts of that day. In years to come our activities will be evaluated and no doubt many will be ridiculed and some will cause open mouthed shock and horror to our descendants. The same applies to our view of the past, try to look back with impartiality.

Ah we seem to be slipping toward a well traveled road. With the greatest respect, I must demur to the notion that what I consider reprehensible or unthinkable, including certain actions in Sherman's march, reconstruction or the "pacification" of the American Indian should be considered anything else but reprehensible by any standard of civilization since the Middle Ages. Just because many such actions fail by such criteria does not mean they should be excused by the whatever popular sentiment may have encouraged or even celebrated them.

 

[maddadicus]

Re: Custer, Wall Street & The Little Big Horn

History has caught up with G A Custer,Civil war hero he may have been ,Indian Fighter he was not.He was taking an active part in the then US Govenments military solution to the indian problem,known now as genocide or ethnic cleansing.To call this man a hero is a disgrace and an insult to the memory of all the american indians who were physically destroyed and or removed from their land by force by white men who had betrayed their agreements with the indians.Custers morality is clearly questionable even in his time,so to say he was a man of his time,is no defense for his despicable moral decisions.He was clearly vain glorious and a military incompetant who took great pleasure in killing non combatants and met his rightful end in a skirmish that he could have prevented if he had demonstrated any tactical knowledge which he clearly lacked.History has withered away the veil of martyrdom of Custer and replaced it with the darker sinister veil of the morally corrupt individual who met his end whilst in pursuit of the annihilation of a fellow race of human beings.

I love it when a foreign gentleman, whose country's long and massive colonial policy, historically has shown us newcomers the way to racism and genocide of entire independent countries, on a regular historical basis, can come here and rag on our history and it's participants. You do not find us ,trashing your countries historical leaders ( Chemsford, Bartle-Frere, Cromwell, any of your WW1 Generals, most of your Kings..)with the same attitude that you display. Past history and its events must be discussed in the vacuum of its time and perceptions. As an american, I take offense at your opinion in this matter and suggest you start a thread on the modern perspective to the total destruction of the African continent and its people by England. See how far our Zulu War and Sudan War buffs let you get away with it....Michael

 

[lancer]

Re: Custer, Wall Street & The Little Big Horn

I love it when a foreign gentleman, whose country's long and massive colonial policy, historically has shown us newcomers the way to racism and genocide of entire independent countries, on a regular historical basis, can come here and rag on our history and it's participants. You do not find us ,trashing your countries historical leaders ( Chemsford, Bartle-Frere, Cromwell, any of your WW1 Generals, most of your Kings..)with the same attitude that you display. Past history and its events must be discussed in the vacuum of its time and perceptions. As an american, I take offense at your opinion in this matter and suggest you start a thread on the modern perspective to the total destruction of the African continent and its people by England. See how far our Zulu War and Sudan War buffs let you get away with it....Michael

Well said Michael. -- Al