The Punic Wars Roman Warship July 2019 Special Pre-Order Announcement (1 Viewer)

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JJDESIGNS - JULY 2019 PRE-ORDER

This month the first of the much anticipated Punic Warships will be available for pre-order.
Pre-Ordered items will be available with an approximate 15% discount.

PRE-ORDER PERIOD ENDS 31st JULY 2019

NO PRE-ORDERS WILL BE ACCEPTED AFTER THE 31st JULY 2019

THE PUNIC WARS- ROMAN WARSHIP

The Punic Wars were a series of three wars fought between Rome and Carthage from 264 BC to 146 BC.
At the time, they were some of the largest wars that had ever taken place.
The term Punic comes from the Latin word Punicus (or Poenicus), meaning "Carthaginian", with reference to the Carthaginians' Phoenician ancestry.

The main cause of the Punic Wars was the conflicts of interest between the existing Carthaginian Empire and the expanding Roman Republic. The Romans were initially interested in expansion via Sicily (which at that time was a cultural melting pot), part of which lay under Carthaginian control. At the start of the First Punic War (264-241 BC), Carthage was the dominant power of the Western Mediterranean, with an extensive maritime empire. Rome was a rapidly ascending power in Italy, but it lacked the naval power of Carthage.

The Second Punic War (218-201 BC) witnessed Hannibal's crossing of the Alps in 218 BC, followed by a prolonged but ultimately failed campaign of Carthage's Hannibal in mainland Italy. By the end of the Third Punic War (149-146 BC), after more than a hundred years and the loss of many hundreds of thousands of soldiers from both sides, Rome had conquered Carthage's empire, completely destroyed the city, and became the most powerful state of the Western Mediterranean.
With the end of the Macedonian Wars – which ran concurrently with the Punic Wars – and the defeat of the Seleucid King Antiochus III the Great in the Roman–Seleucid War (Treaty of Apamea, 188 BC) in the eastern sea, Rome emerged as the dominant Mediterranean power and one of the most powerful cities in classical antiquity. The Roman victories over Carthage in these wars gave Rome a preeminent status it would retain until the 5th century AD.


The Punic Wars are most remembered for the Carthaginian Hannibal's crossing of the Alps. His army invaded Italy from the north and resoundingly defeated the Roman army in several battles, but never achieved the ultimate goal of causing a political break between Rome and its allies.
While fighting Hannibal in Italy, his brother Hasdrubal in Hispania, and Sicily, Rome simultaneously fought against Macedon in the First Macedonian War.
Eventually, the war was taken to Africa, where Carthage was defeated at the Battle of Zama (201 BC) by Scipio Africanus.


The Punic Wars, is one of the most varied and colourful ancient periods. It would also not be possible to represent this period without presenting the naval war aspect of the conflict.

The Carthaginians were famed in antiquity for their seafaring skills and innovation in ship design. The empire their navy protected stretched from Sicily to the Atlantic coast of Africa. Able to match the tyrants of Sicily and the Hellenistic kingdoms Carthage’s dominance of the seas would be challenged and ultimately replaced by the Romans, who were able to create a navy that became just as successful as their land army.

Carthage took over the old Phoenician colonies in the Mediterranean and created many new ones so that its empire included North Africa, the Iberian peninsula, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, and many other islands. To maintain trade contacts between these cities and to police their interests the Carthaginians used a naval fleet which became the envy of the ancient world. Such was its strength that Rome, although successful in land battles, was forced to build its first ever fleet in order to defeat Carthage and claim the western Mediterranean for its own. For three centuries prior to the Punic Wars, though, the Carthaginian fleet ruled the waves.

The main aim in a naval battle was to ram and hole an enemy vessel or break its bank of oars. Sails were not used in battle conditions, but oar-power could give a ship a speed of 7-8 knots. Crews had to be well-trained to not only manoeuvre a ship as best as possible but also know when not to drive too far into an enemy ship and so become stuck when the ram impaled it. The second stage was to assault the enemy with missiles and, if necessary, board using grappling hooks and fight hand-to-hand. Polybius describes the skills and tactics of the Carthaginian navy in battle thus,
They much surpassed the Romans in speed, owing to the superior build of their ships and the better training of the rowers, as they had freely developed their line [formation] in the open sea. For if any ships found themselves hard pressed by the enemy it was easy for them, owing to their speed, to retreat safely to open water and from thence, fetching round on the ships that pursued…them, they either got in their rear or attacked them in the flank. As the enemy then had to turn around they found themselves in difficulty owing to the weight of the hulls and the poor oarsmanship of the crews, [so the Carthaginians] rammed them repeatedly and sunk many. (quoted in Salimbeti, 49)

Rome quickly realised that to defeat Carthage they would have to do what they had never done before - build their own naval fleet. Accordingly, in the spring of 260 BCE, Rome constructed a fleet of 20 triremes and 100 quinquereme warships in only 60 days. Copying the design of a captured Carthaginian ship, the Romans then added a whole new feature: the corvus (raven). This was a rotating 11-metre long platform with a giant holding spike (like a beak, hence the bird name) which could be lowered onto an enemy vessel to allow a heavy infantry unit (perhaps 80-120 men) to board them. The idea would negate the superior seamanship of the Carthaginians and make naval combat more like a land battle. This masterstroke of inventiveness was an immediate success when their fleet of 145 ships defeated the Carthaginian fleet of 130 ships at the battle of Mylae (Milazzo) in 260 BCE. The Carthaginians, so dismissive of their opponent’s seafaring skills, had not even bothered to form battle lines. When the Carthaginian flagship was captured, the commander was forced to flee in a rowing boat. The Roman commander Duilius was honoured with a Roman triumph, the first in Rome’s history to be awarded for a naval victory.


Please note that these ships are designed to represent the naval battles of the Punic wars, to create a practical display with figures, and are not accurate scale models of the ships of the period.

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MRRWARSHIP
ARMIES AND ENEMIES OF ANCIENT ROME,
ROMAN WARSHIP,
(71pcs)

PREORDER PRICE: US$395

WARSHIP Dimensions 24” length x 16 ½” wide x 12 ½” height

WEIGHT: 6.58kg (including packaging box)

PACKAGE BOX: 27” x 16” x 9”

PRE-ORDER PERIOD ENDS 31st JULY 2019

RETAIL PRICE AFTER JULY 31st 2019: US$452

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Please note figures will become available in 2020, once preorders for the Warships have been completed.

The Preorder period for the Carthaginian Warship will begin in August 2019.

PRE-ORDER PERIOD FOR THE ROMAN WARSHIP ENDS 31st JULY 2019.
 
Wow, that’s cool. I assume John is saying creating a full model that would satisfy all rivet counters (normally I am in that group) is not practical.

Not sure it’s in the budget or that I have space for it, but it is tempting.
 
this is so cool!
what a display this would make...
I wish I had room for them...
 
I also did not know that Rome essentially defeated Macedon, Seleucid Persia and Carthage simultaneously. Holy crappola, Batman! That’s insane.
 
Less cost than I expected after seeing the example at the show last year. My pre-order will go in.
 
Nice historical perspective of the period of the wars with Carthage. The Roman warship of this era was a direct copy of a captured ship from Carthage. The ships of both Carthage and Rome had at least one square rigged sail and as many as three on the largest vessel. The size and shape of the JJD Roman warship is more like a river patrol boat than a sea going vessel. I hope these models are prototypes and that a sail will be included in the production version.
 
WOnderful models. Says something regarding the TF that the manufacturer feels the need to provide a caveat to their latest release. Chris
 
Any idea what are the size or scale of the figures that are being planned for in 2020? Anyone has seen the close ups to tell us how they look proportionately or how the sculpting details are like? Thanks.

Rgds,Chris
 
Nice historical perspective of the period of the wars with Carthage. The Roman warship of this era was a direct copy of a captured ship from Carthage. The ships of both Carthage and Rome had at least one square rigged sail and as many as three on the largest vessel. The size and shape of the JJD Roman warship is more like a river patrol boat than a sea going vessel. I hope these models are prototypes and that a sail will be included in the production version.

I think you need to recheck your sorces. I have found many references of First Punic War warships with NO sails, just as John has portrayed in these upcoming releases.

 
I think you need to recheck your sorces. I have found many references of First Punic War warships with NO sails, just as John has portrayed in these upcoming releases[/IMG][/URL]

Gotta agree with you. There is plenty of reference. Particularly at the Battle of the Aegates Islands where the Roman's removed the sails and masts from their vessels to give themselves the upper hand in rough waters.
 
I wonder if these ships are in scale with 15mm or 28mm figures? That may be the right option for realism.

That's a clever idea- I think you could run with it at 28mm if you could remove the oars and cut them down somewhat and remove the shields and replace them with 28mm scale shields. The rear structure would need some work too. I think you could pull off the optical illusion of it but if anyone were to measure anything out it would probably fail. Neat idea though.
 
Quick obvious comment on the scale issue, they are out of scale as referenced by John, they are meant to be more of a display background/representative piece and I like that idea. I used to own a Conte Roman Galley and the word "coffin" should come to mind on how large it is!!! It was too much for me. That said, this would be a good alternative, it will make the figures stand out, but it is not so large as to engulf the scene. Of course, if I had the room, I would want a full size, no doubt!

Additionally, the way to make it affordable, at this price it is less than the cost of a First Legion King Tiger Tank!! Think about it that way too.

Just my 2 cents
Tom
 
How do you engage a Carthaginian galley under sail when you have none? The Roman galley was a direct copy of the Carthaginian galley; which had sails. Granted unique circumstances could require that a sail would present a problem; but not in general navel warfare at sea.

The Conte Roman galley was the best and most accurate model built to date in 1/32-1/30 scale IMO.
A Roman galley with a sail can be had from Playmobil for $35.00 on Amazon. I have used it repainted for a Roman River patrol boat; as was used along the Rhine and Danube rivers. I have posted photos of the diorama featuring it.


I think you need to recheck your sorces. I have found many references of First Punic War warships with NO sails, just as John has portrayed in these upcoming releases.

 
How do you engage a Carthaginian galley under sail when you have none? The Roman galley was a direct copy of the Carthaginian galley; which had sails. Granted unique circumstances could require that a sail would present a problem; but not in general navel warfare at sea.

The Conte Roman galley was the best and most accurate model built to date in 1/32-1/30 scale IMO.
A Roman galley with a sail can be had from Playmobil for $35.00 on Amazon. I have used it repainted for a Roman River patrol boat; as was used along the Rhine and Danube rivers. I have posted photos of the diorama featuring it.

You constantly correct manufacturers and collectors over the 'accuracy' of their productions or purchases yet you advocate a Playmobil piece. I've seen your thread with the piece and although fun and interesting, for someone who constantly invokes historical accuracy and rivet counting, it's laughable that you mention this piece.
 
You constantly correct manufacturers and collectors over the 'accuracy' of their productions or purchases yet you advocate a Playmobil piece. I've seen your thread with the piece and although fun and interesting, for someone who constantly invokes historical accuracy and rivet counting, it's laughable that you mention this piece.

Vicknor...
have to agree 100% on your comment...
even at $35...
this Playmobile piece is not a desirable piece for me...

and Katana...
I'm surprised also that you endorse this $35 plastic Playmobile piece with your often mentioned high standards...
 

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