There's an Old Tribe of Injuns - in Dorset! (1 Viewer)

Here's the figure of the buckskin clad Fur Trader that I mentioned before. I found him in Dorset - though his arms had to be modified, so that he could hold out a blanket in trade. I call him Tommy Trader. The blanket is made from a rolled out piece of milliput pardners, and then painted in colours that Tommy figured might appeal to Chief Smoking Cloud - though he seems reluctant to look at the moment. Maybe he's trying not to look too interested, to keep the price down.

I've also had some luck with a suitable horse for Tom ( and also a dawg - that looks a might similar to Rin-Tin-Tin)- and maybe a trade barrel of Whusky too. ^&grinThese are currently on order from White Tower Miniatures as I write - so may be able to add some more pieces to the scene, once I get hold of them.

Now then - what sort of trade carpet can I make up for some goods to be spread on it?:confused: jb:D

 
Before I go further with my "Fur Trader" - I had better show some more Injuns that I have now been united with.

I'd better explain.................... Having successfully been transported by Easy-Jet - who could now fly again - by courtesesy of French Air Traffic Control - who decided to go back to work -I'm now back in the UK - and have been united with my recent e-bay purchases which were awaiting me. As usual, I started to restore some broken ones - then thought - hang on! - here I go again - STOP - and do a pic. So here they are - mostly as found.



There are 18 figures - and two horses this time. Bought as four small lots from the same vendor on ebay for little money, as all are in some need of attention. I have dotted a few repair tools and materials which were knocking around my work-place - to help identify them for you.

To the left - below the milliput box - are four Timpo figures - and two horses. All are in pretty good condition - just need stripping and repainting - with maybe a few nicks and knocks to sort out. The small horse bases are wobbly (as usual) so may need strengthening - but very pleased to get hold of in this condition.

Immediately beneath my yellow side-cutters are six Crescent warriors - some requiring a bit more attention than others - but nothing too serious. Maybe the bottom standing figure with only a half-bow will be the most tricky to repair. Note my tom-tom player - my first musician:cool::cool: - and a drummer too!:D

Under my new small hand-drill ( love little tools like this - and very pleased to find it in our local market) are four standing Britains figures. Note the new barrel on one gun already begun - a few more to go like that here. Paper clips, cycroanalate glue and milliput supply the gun barrels which are fitted into the drilled out stumps left (see the similar figure to his right - as found).

The figure with three head feathers immediately below the Britains four - and to the right of the kneeling bowman - is a comparatively rare REKA figure, (and my first find of this marque), stalking with tomahawk. The remaining three - I'm not sure of the makers - at the moment.:confused: All three are hollowcast - and old - so any suggestions as to the makers would be appreciated.

I will post developments with them all - as I restore them to their former glory - or with a bit of luck - maybe a bit better than how they originally looked - as I have plenty of the scarce resource that the original makers couldn't afford to supply - Time.

I think that the "Fur Trader" might be better off on a separate thread in a different part of the forum - as I will shortly be receiving some rather exciting new castings related to that theme - so will put those into a new thread - probably in kit building - as all my latest parts for that, will now be new.

See you later - johnnybach
 
Repair and restoration is progressing. Here I'm showing a few who are on their way to a new career as new figures again , rather than battered relics :D

From the top left we have a kneeling Injun (Crescent) - who has had a small base added for stability - as has his neighbour with a tomahawk (Reka), who has also been re-based. My tom-tom drummer (Crescent) is beginning to take shape now he's been cleaned up and paintwork begun. My seated smoking Chief (Crescent) - is a different version to one I already own from the same maker - this one having a smaller war bonnet. (I'll show the difference with a photo of the pair when I re-unite these with my collection back in France). I have repaired a rather serious hole in his base. All of these have been stripped, re-primed and re-painting begun.

Bottom left is another exciting find for me - as I have now identified him as a rather rare Harvey ( Harvey Toy Company) figure. This marque was born in 1949, when Harry Eagle - one of the founders of the Crescent Toy Company - split from Crescent, who moved production and premises from London to Cwmcarn in South Wales. Harry was always known as Harvey - and so the Harvey Toy Company was born - and this is one of the early metal figures, circa 1950 - they changed materials to plastic - and became Lone Star later on. I'm delighted to have him, for sure, even with his newly repaired rifle, which I think is a slight improvement on the original! (There's a pic of an original attached below). I've also given him a captured US Cavalry jacket!

Lastly - I show two stripped figures - to show the great detailing which often shows up when the old layers of paint are removed. The first is a Timpo which I will make a spear for - and the last - I'm still trying to positively identify from just one mark under his base - which just reads "ENGLAND". jb



[Below]; An Original Harvey Indian Chief with Rifle c.1950.
 
Here's a pic on how the first of my Injuns are progressing. The figures towards the front are completed - whilst those towards the rear are still being developed. It's pretty normal for me to work them up in this manner.

All of these have been repared or altered in some way. I particularly like the standing Chief with rifle held in the crook of his arm. A Britains figure originally - he once held a tomahawk in his right hand - but he only held a stump when he came to me. I gave him a spare musket (Whitetower Miniatures spare part) - and I think he now looks even better. Other simple repars involved putting wobbly figures on a base - such as the two kneeling figures - whilst other weapons typically need repair. Note the figure to the left of the horse, for example - whose rifle needed attention at both ends - with a new barrel and butt required by drilling, pinning and addition of milliput to finish.

The horse is a White Tower Miniatures casting, by the way, - which is being painted to draw a Trevois ( like an A Frame to drag behind the horse). He's not really a repair - and is unfinished yet - but looked right with these figures :D I'll be adding figures in - and showing rear views of others completed from time to time. Off to watch the British Lions/Australia match now - see you later. jb

 
I love these threads that take the reader through the steps of a process.

Thanks for sharing!
 
Very nice work jb, great job with the repairs and as always the painting is superb ..... especially like the details and colors on the headdresses, britches and horse's blanket.

B. :salute::
 
Thanks for the feedback chaps - glad you seem to like what I'm doing. Here's another update - which I think will show some more progress Jack. I've added in a few more bits and pieces which seem to have crept onto my work-table! Looks like Gene Autrey is trying to quieten down some of the wilder elements with a song! The Cisco Kid has yet to make an entrance - but his horse Diablo has also made an appearance along with a small dog!). Note also the Trevois - - just started painting this, which will carry some furs for my "Fur Trader", eventually:D



Repairs have now turned into conversions and re-painting - as I have now fixed all the breakages. Note the standing Chief - who now has a spear in his hand. I made this from a paper clip, milliput spear point - and some spare feathers, cut from a part supplied by White Tower miniatures ( the cowboys are also from there. They have a pretty good [online] Western Section). I'm continuing to build on most of the basic painted figures with more and more detail now - like the "bead work" which often decorates buckskin jackets and trousers of my tribe. (Glad you like them Buster - they really do "lift" what would otherwise frequently be a rather plain figure). Easy enough to do - just paint white strips over the part you like - then - when dry - apply the colours with fine-line permanent pens which use Indian Ink ( couldn't be more appropriate - eh??^&grin). A good example of use of this technique shows on my rear view of the Britains Indian Chief, (now with added musket under his arm - towards the front left) - whose head-dress seems to have spread to include his shoulders too. Most of the decoration here - uses the pen technique described - although the dense red is Humbrol Gloss Red ( No.19). Most figures are thus a mix of paint and Indian ink - all sealed in at the end of painting with gloss varnish.

I'll show how these have developed in further posts. jb
 
Continuing to develop these - and finished off a few more. I'm particularly pleased with how the Chief (above my dog) has turned out. He was originally made by Timpo - though I have now given him a decorated spear to his raised hand - (which had a hole drilled in it - but was empty). The addition of the spear seemed to make him rather unstable on his original very small base - so I enlarged it - which cured the stability problem. Note also the Trevois - which now has a bundle of furs on it - on its way to visit "the Fur Trader". Incidentally, I won't be posting this complete feature until I get home - as my other figures for this are now in a different Country. (I knew this might happen, one day - so - sooner rather than later!:redface2:). I will show my new bits for it though, such as the empty brown horse at the rear in this pic. - as they are progressed. These extra pieces came from White Tower Miniatures - and the owner, Matthew Thair, has been very kind to me - having not only donated many of the small bits and pieces to help my other conversions - but also the Indian Pony, Trevois and furs - which was a gift. {eek3}

So - many thanks again Matthew, for your unexpected, but very welcome generousity. I think the piece is just fabulous.

 
Attention now moves to some horses I've been playing around with. Bottom right is one of the two Timpo ponies that came with my Injuns purchase. These are very toylike - but I think they are just charming - so I have painted him in a toy-like style. This is really a Cowboy horse - as he has a saddle - but as I have an Injun - he is painted as a former mustang - but wearing a captured US Cavalry blanket and tack for his Injun rider (still being painted at the moment). Fortunately, the detachable riders made by Timpo are interchangeable with most of these ponies - so he fits the saddle beautifully.

It's good to contrast him with some of the more "model quality" offerings that come from casting suppliers such as White Tower Miniatures - who supplied the others pictured. On the right is Gene Autrey "Back in the Saddle Agin" on Champion - which I've just completed for my "Western Stars" group. Next to him is Mountain man and fur trapper/trader - Bill Mitchell ( not completed just yet - as requires varnishing) - being followed by another Western Horse - that is set to become the riderless horse for my "Fur Trader" set - which will be extended to feature a bit more than the charming Trophy version.

The last horse is of course, Diablo - the horse of the Cisco Kid - who is also still in the process of being painted. I have included the now stripped casting of the Timpo pony - as I currently have no rider available for him - so I'll be looking to find one for him before I paint him in some appropriate colours. As I intend visiting Dorset Soldiers Shop soon - I'll be having a good old rummage through Giles' stock in search of something that will fit him. jb

 
Okay pardners - I have now finished all repairs and restoration of my latest members of the Tribe - so have assembled them for a viewing. Note the now completed mounted Injun Chief with shield (both Timpo) in the centre. He is held in place with a pin - and therefore detachable - so that I can move him to another mount - if I ever find a more suitable one (without a saddle). The three crawling figures towards the front - are two more converted Timpo figures ( I added a tomahawk to one - and a holsterd rifle decorated with feathers to the second one). The final smaller figure is by Crescent - and has had his original tomahawk repaired - as the head was missing.

Probably the most tricky restoration - was the top of the standing figure firing an arrow from his bow (Crescent). The top half of the bow was missing - so that I had to repair the top of the bow with metal core - and milliput form an outer sheath - and then fix a string to match the lower (original) half of the weapon. This took a while to get to a satisfactory shape - but got there in the end.

What I have ended up with - is a variety of Injuns in various poses to add to my existing tribe. They are originally from Britains, Crescent, Harvey, Reka, and Timpo - with a few modern White Tower Miniature pieces added - though all are now painted in a glossy colourful style, and some have conversions - which I hope has pulled them together. Below - are a couple more pics of some more "Western" figures, from modern castings that I have been playing around with at the same time - which I hope haven't been too distracting.



Anyone remember Gene Autrey (The Singing Cowboy) - and another of my childhood favourites - The Cisco Kid ??? Great fun to paint - and brought back a host of memories along the way. Painting advice came from Google Images - which led me to many memories of childhood visits to a certain Cinema in Cardiff for the Saturday matinees ( three-pence to go in - and threepence to spend on sweets or usually a packet of crisps (complete with a twist of salt in a blue bag!!). Pocket money blown - I was in a World of Cowboys and Injuns - where the good guys ALWAYS won! Both figures came as castings from White Tower Miniatures - in the UK.

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Lastly - comes Bill Mitchell ( a real life character and Mountain Man) and his dog - with his spare mount and a pony with Trevois - that you have seen before. Again, the figures are from White Tower - and are part of a scene that will be completed when I get back home later on. I'll keep the rest under my fur hat for now - but you may see another thread later on - featuring these figures(and a few more), when I can put them all together - featuring some more Mountain Men, Fur Trappers and Traders, (along with a few Injuns too!).



That's all for now pardners - see you later??? Johnnybach:D
 
Lastly - comes Bill Mitchell ( a real life character and Mountain Man) and his dog - with his spare mount and a pony with Trevois - that you have seen before. Again, the figures are from White Tower - and are part of a scene that will be completed when I get back home later on. I'll keep the rest under my fur hat for now - but you may see another thread later on - featuring these figures(and a few more), when I can put them all together - featuring some more Mountain Men, Fur Trappers and Traders, (along with a few Injuns too!).



That's all for now pardners - see you later??? Johnnybach:D


Could there be a Rocky Mountain Rendezvous on the cards jb :wink2:

Love all of these figures {bravo}}{bravo}}{bravo}}

Cheers

Martyn:)
 
Could there be a Rocky Mountain Rendezvous on the cards jb :wink2:

Love all of these figures {bravo}}{bravo}}{bravo}}

Cheers

Martyn:)

Ha - You know too much about this subject M - methinks! That's exactly the title that I was thinking of!:D

As you well know - I was drawn into the subject by that lovely little Trophy scene of "The Fur Trader" - and in searching around for a suitable horse for my trader - I not only found one, but bumped into that subject (The Rocky Mountain Rendevouz) - along with a few more figures that could extend the Trophy scene a bit further. I also found that nice little dog!! All the extras will be by White Tower Miniatures - (available as castings), the rest are restored hollowcast figures - or castings again, from Dorset Soldiers.

Snag is - half of my proposed scene is now in a different country - so I won't be able to complete it until I get them all in the same place!! I have therefore, shown a little taster of my proposed final scene - with Bill and company here.

Very pleased that you like the rest of my e-bay Injun finds too - they are such fun to restore - PLUS - with your comments about the e-bay value of some of your Zulu figures (that you mentioned in another thread), in mind - it's quite a sobering thought that my twenty figures shown, originally cost me LESS than £1 each - INCLUDING the postage!!!:cool:

Quite a bargain, I think - and a nice, fun little challenge to restore too.


Cheers for now chum - jb.:D
 
JB fantastic restoration work makes me think twice about passing up on old figures and having a go myself, again well done
Bren :salute::
 
JB fantastic restoration work makes me think twice about passing up on old figures and having a go myself, again well done
Bren :salute::

Cheers Bren - glad you like 'em pardner.;)

That's half the point of what I do Bren - I get so much enjoyment out of my hobby - that I'm always trying to encourage others to have a go at it too.:wink2:

Whether they are castings - or "previously loved" ( as I think some call them^&grin) - they can all be stripped - simple repairs made, where necessary - and with a little bit of TLC and a splash or two of paint - you have a tribe/army/band etc - and more often than not - at bargain basement prices too.

But the pure pleasure you get when looking at the sad specimens that arrive - and the shiny "new" figures you get at the end - can't just be counted in ££££'s. I just get a real kick out of doing what I do - and getting a few more TS's for my cash.

Go on - just have a go at the odd figure - often picked up for pennies - 'cos if it doesn't work out for you - what have you lost?? Very little. But the joy you will get when you get there - is just beyond price - as you will have saved another TS from landfill! What better feeling could there be than that???:cool::D{sm4} All the best - jb
 
It may come as no surprise that in a recent visit to Dorset Soldiers - I had another good rummage through Giles' boxes of "Broken Figures". I once again went for the Cowboys & Injuns - and came away with some more that I fancied having a go at repairing and restoring.

After a soak in Oven Cleaner for a few hours - these are just some of the first batch. The top two are Britains - both stripped and replacement legs fitted to the rear left leg of their respective horses. I'll maks a solid stand as bases for both figures later - but both can now stand upright well. The cowboy also requires a repair to his pistol - which he is firing to the rear - being chased by an Injun Chief intent on removing his hair with a tomahawk!{eek3} New spare legs (Dorset Spares) were cut to fit, drilled, pinned and glued in place (epoxy resin glue). A good stand each - will help keep them intact for the future.

To the right is a Timpo horse - and below him is Buffalo Bill - quite a Timpo rarity which I was very happy to find. Stripping both exposed minor wear damage - which was easily fixed by gently bending back to shape, and small Milliput repairs to some tiny holes and fractures.



To the left of Bill - is another Timpo rarity - "The Surrendering Cowboy" - with (new) arms held in the air. I have just begun putting back new spare arms - which are being filed ad re-built to look like the original figure - which had exposed arms with rolled back sleeves held above his head. These were broken off and lost for this figure. Note that his horse has a new rear bottom right leg - which had been snapped off at some time in the past. Drilled and pinned again - then filed to "lose" the joint.

Next - lying on his side - to expose the base of his small stand - is another rarity - due to age, this time. He's a Britains Galloping Chief - but the stand tells a tale. It is dated 6.2.1908 - which tells that he is an original figure from that year - and is thus 105 years old! His damage included compression fractures under the horse ( caused by rough play - or dropping from a considerable height), wear holes to the horse body and bent legs. Gentle straightening of parts with finger pressure - and milliput to some holes soon fixed him up to the current state. With a bit more work and a repaint - he'll be eventually as good as new.

My last figure, for this batch, is the standing Injun Chief with drawn knife. I chose a new arm with a knife in the right hand - and removed the hilt from the scabbarded knife his left hand is resting on. He will now look as if he has just drawn the knife from an empty scabbard - when he has been completed. This figure had originally lost his weapon arm - and had many coats of thick paint applied to him in the past. Stripping him back exposed a finely detailed casting from Britains, again - which should paint up beautifully.

I am still stripping some other castings from this batch - so watch out for more - and developments in restoration of these later. Johnnybach
 
Ha! - thanks Jack - but I fear this thread might be a never-ending story. Each time I go to the Dorset Soldier shop - always to collect an order - I'm drawn to "The cupboard under the stairs". It's like a gloomy treasure chest in there - where lurk several trays ( well, cardboard boxes really - that once held fruit!^&grin^&grin) exuding that musty smell of the BO that old toy soldiers seem prone too.:wink2: Not nasty - just......well........unmistakable. Old lead, flaking old paint and a bit of grime - with a dash of well loved fondling from collectors past! (quite nostalgic, really).

I usually sit on the floor of the shop - and I get lost in forgotten armies and tribes, as I pick through what are destined for the melting pot, if no-one saves them from that fate. Giles usually gives the less damaged specimens a reprieve for a while - and sometimes saves some of them for collectors like me - that he knows might like one or two. (he put the Timpo "Buffalo Bill" aside - as he just knew I would like to have him!:cool:). But - nothing is wasted - as IF they do eventually reach the pot - they are then re-born as brand new castings, once again.

I like to show others what I do - for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I was asked to show in somewhat step-by-step fashion, how I go about painting my versions of Glossy Toy soldiers. Secondly - and maybe more importantly - I try to encourage others to have a go at what I do too. It always seems such a shame to me that many old toys like these frequently get binned - when it seems so easy to fix them up. Many are never going to be as good as some of the professionally finished items sold by many of the manufacturers seen in other threads here - but - that doesn't matter to me. If they pass my test of "likeability" - they're good enough for me.

As I often say - historic items like these - often produced 50-100 years ago, can often be found on bric-a-brac market stalls, car boot sales - or dealers like Giles, who visit shows, swap meets or are offered them by other dealers. Some of the rarer items - if found undamaged and without too much paint loss - are often worth a tidy sum - but those are not for me. If slightly damaged - they can often be obtained for under a pound or two - and frequently for much less. (I recently bought four Injuns on e-bay for 99 pence, for example!)

The reward for just a bit of very pleasant restoration and re-painting is a bright and shiny figure - and oodles of pleasure to come from adding them to a shelf full - just like it - and then playing with them. I've shown how to do some of the more common repairs - but am always available to help with advice if anyone gets stuck - and I know some of the other repairers are too. Spare parts can be purchased from dealers like Giles - who specialise in providing spares for repairs - and by mail order too. (If in doubt - send Giles an e-mail photo of the broken figure - and he can advise what you might need in the way of spare parts).

You can also change weapons, heads, arms and legs - and produce an item that is unique or a copy of a rare specimen (conversions) - which are great fun to do - and often for pennies. The joy of owning what looks like a rarity - for next to nothing - is very satisfying.

Do have a go Jack - you won't regret it - it can be much more fun than buying them as perfect - and you can frequently buy many, many more for the same outlay! :D All the best - glad you (and others) are enjoying them too.:salute:: jb
 
Johnny

99 pence?? When they go over the pound mark I dare you to start a thread titled 'Can the hobby survive these price rises'?

I will get there with the paint!

I hope if I am ever on life support my wife looks at me the way you do these old toys.

Jack
 
Ha ha! I really don't make any comments about prices of individual manufacturers - as they are in business to make a profit - whereas I'm not. I'm just an amateur who likes to paint Toy Soldiers in the Glossy style of old. :cool:

What other people wish to spend - and on what - is no business of mine - and if it gives them pleasure - that's fine by me. Each to his/her own. Suffice to say - I wouldn't pay those sorts of prices for most of them myself. {eek3}

I once bought a pair of old horses at a car-bootsale for fifty pence - and the guy threw in a Britains figure of an Egyptian Lancer ( albeit - minus head, arm and lance - and only half a horse!) for free! He said if I didn't take it - it was going in the bin when he got home!!! The horses, (once identified), became the team for a Stage-Coach (e-bay again) - and the headless horseman was restored to become a Britains Egyptian lancer.(Spares from Giles at around £1) These began two continuiing love-affairs. One with Cowboys & Injuns - and the Lancer - with an Egyptian Mounted Cavalry Band - with Escort!:smile2:

As for your last statement - I hope so too.:D

As I once said to my two girls - when they asked me what would happen to my collection when I have to go;

"If I can't take 'em with me - I'm not going!" jb{sm2}{sm4} keep practicing - you can only improve that way - and you WILL improve - I promise.:D
 
Upon removing the accumulated paint from one of my new finds (Johillco c.1950's) - I found that the rear legs had previously been broken off - and two matchsticks had been glued to the stumps - and then covered over with some sort of hard plaster-like material at some time in the past. A rather crude repair to this rather unrealistic pose which is known as "The Rocking Horse" - so I determined to keep him that way - but make two new better legs from more suitable material.

I first drilled into each stump - and fitted a metal core (paper-clip) - cut to a reasonable length (15mm). I will then cover each of the cores with milliput and allow to dry/cure completely. I find that coating each core with cycroanalate glue helps adherence of the milliput material - and coating it after about an hour or so with more glue, helps to set it off rock hard, very quickly. (I have done only one to show the sequence better). Next day - this leg can then be carved, sanded, filed and shaped correctly for each leg. Note that for now, I have left the hoof until later. I will mount the figure on a stand, which I will fabricate later - and sink each pin of the rear legs into it. The front ones will be drilled and pinned up into the existing hoof/leg too. They aren't likely to get broken so easily from then on. jb

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