Things that annoy me (8 Viewers)

[tdubel]

I am going to post this as what I have to say is not political even though some will make it. When I grew up, I was told to respect law enforcement. I had family in law enforcement. I don't understand why it is a hard concept. Law enforcement, right or wrong, in the moment IS the authority. If something is wrong, the idea is that our judicial system will figure it out. Fast forward to today, why would it ever be a good idea to get in a vehicle and go interfere where an enforcement procedure is underway. Are we now going to have average citizens think its ok to ram police cars while they are serving a warrant? Where is the common sense. IF the enforcement is later deemed not to be right, then all parties walk away unharmed physically. Instead, when someone who has no business or involvement inserts themselves in a situation and causes a life/death situation, the result is you do not walk away. PERIOD. This is not a debate, b/c if it is, then we have truly lost our way when an average citizen thinks its ok to jump in and create a life/death situation. This is the true epitome in my opinion of the acronym you never want to do - FAFO Doing something completely idiotic and consciously making the decision to do it can result in your death and that is on you.

I am 100% pro police...always taught to say “yes sir and no sir”. Respect the officer. Never argue and never agitate a policeman. Do what he says and have your day in court. Being a cop is a terrible job. I would never do it. Especially in Texas where Abbott decreed in 2021 that any person over 21 without a felony can carry a gun. A policeman in Texas has to assume every car he pulls over has a weapon. Before you judge a cop for excessive force, you should walk in their shoes and deal with what they have to deal with. A very dangerous job so I give them a wide berth on force. Cook was not there protesting anything, she had just dropped her 6 year old son off at school. I have watched the video of the shooting a dozen plus times, even in slow motion. Within 10 minutes after the shooting, Kristi Noem was doing damage control claiming the ICE officer was run over. Not true, watch the video and believe your eyes not Noem’s rendition of what happened. He was never on the ground as Cook veered her wheels to the right to exit the scene as one ICE officer directed her. The ICE officer that shot her stood by the front left bumper and side stepped, allowing her to pull away, never being run over and then moved to her driver’s window maybe 3 feet from her and shot her in the face executing her. The officer was never hit by her car and walked away from the shooting without even the slightest limp in his gait. Watch the video objectively, and you will see this. Immediately after he killed her he was whisked away from the scene. To add insult to injury, within 30 minutes the FBI revoked any access to the investigation. He should of let her dive away and they could have “peacefully arrested” later. Now she is dead.

Mike we all have opinions on this. She should have just complied. She didn't her choice. She put an officer in the situation. He didn't. Look her up really research her and her wife. Their activities speak volumes. Like I said and I really beleive this FAFO is a choice that unfortunately some peole take and do not consider the consequences.

I also point you yo the other incident in Portland yesterday. After initial idiotic comments by politicians, the occupants of the car were Venezuelan gang members and supporters. Amazing how quiet it gets when the facts come out.

Bottom line, comply with law enforcement and you do not have issues.

As a side note, I am licensed to carry im 38 or so States. I take that very seriously. I was pulled over for speeding on the way to the shore. I put my hands on the steering wheel at 10 and 2. Officer approached, it was at night and I could see he was wary. We talked and i provided my docs as well as informed him of the location of my firearm. He appreciated that and he checked my permit etc. Long story short, he gave me a verbal warning and thanked me for my behavior. In other words, if you follow directions, there is zero problem.
Tom

 

[mikemiller1955]

To Doug's point about radicalized people; check out this video, specifically at about the three minute mark.

And gee Mike, you are correct too, she was there dropping her kid off at school.

And then to stir up things as an activist.

As my Dad loved to say, with every situation, there is one person's version, the other person's version, then in the middle was the truth.

Was she trying to run the ICE agent over/was his life in danger? Probably not.

Was she some innocent person dropping her kid off at school and nothing else? Again, probably not,

Somewhere in the middle...................

Gee George...I get your point...she doesn't like ICE...what a crazy girl...so shoot her in the face...is that what we got to look forward to?

 

[Combat]

I am 100% pro police...always taught to say “yes sir and no sir”. Respect the officer. Never argue and never agitate a policeman. Do what he says and have your day in court. Being a cop is a terrible job. I would never do it. Especially in Texas where Abbott decreed in 2021 that any person over 21 without a felony can carry a gun. A policeman in Texas has to assume every car he pulls over has a weapon. Before you judge a cop for excessive force, you should walk in their shoes and deal with what they have to deal with. A very dangerous job so I give them a wide berth on force. Cook was not there protesting anything, she had just dropped her 6 year old son off at school. I have watched the video of the shooting a dozen plus times, even in slow motion. Within 10 minutes after the shooting, Kristi Noem was doing damage control claiming the ICE officer was run over. Not true, watch the video and believe your eyes not Noem’s rendition of what happened. He was never on the ground as Cook veered her wheels to the right to exit the scene as one ICE officer directed her. The ICE officer that shot her stood by the front left bumper and side stepped, allowing her to pull away, never being run over and then moved to her driver’s window maybe 3 feet from her and shot her in the face executing her. The officer was never hit by her car and walked away from the shooting without even the slightest limp in his gait. Watch the video objectively, and you will see this. Immediately after he killed her he was whisked away from the scene. To add insult to injury, within 30 minutes the FBI revoked any access to the investigation. He should of let her dive away and they could have “peacefully arrested” later. Now she is dead.

The Mayor of Minneapolis and Tim Walz were also on TV ranting that it was murder within a short time after the incident. They enflamed the situation and if the victim had been a minority, they would have claimed it was racial resulting in riots and destruction for the next week. They also prohibit the local police from assisting in these situations which could have alleviated the cause here. There is a difference between a justified shooting under the law and subjective opinion about whether the ICE officer should have fired. I think he should have stepped aside but my understanding is that he had already been struck once by a car driven by one of these loons and spent time in the hospital. Even if her intent in this incident was to flee instead of hitting him, he was still in the path of the vehicle and under the law had a reasonable basis to discharge his weapon.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Mike we all have opinions on this. She should have just complied. She didn't her choice. She put an officer in the situation. He didn't. Look her up really research her and her wife. Their activities speak volumes. Like I said and I really beleive this FAFO is a choice that unfortunately some peole take and do not consider the consequences.

I also point you yo the other incident in Portland yesterday. After initial idiotic comments by politicians, the occupants of the car were Venezuelan gang members and supporters. Amazing how quiet it gets when the facts come out.

Bottom line, comply with law enforcement and you do not have issues.

As a side note, I am licensed to carry im 38 or so States. I take that very seriously. I was pulled over for speeding on the way to the shore. I put my hands on the steering wheel at 10 and 2. Officer approached, it was at night and I could see he was wary. We talked and i provided my docs as well as informed him of the location of my firearm. He appreciated that and he checked my permit etc. Long story short, he gave me a verbal warning and thanked me for my behavior. In other words, if you follow directions, there is zero problem.
Tom

I can't find many details on the Portland story...but at this point...the term is actually "alleged Tren de Aragua members"...probably won't let Oregon even be involved in the investigation...just like they did in Minnesota...you're gonna hear the story they want you to hear....nothing else...

On Cook...one officer told her to leave...she tried to obey...now she's dead...totally unnecessary...should of let her drive off and then arrest her later...ICE officer grossly over reacted...probably due to past documented experiences...you are trained not to stand in front or behind a car you have stopped...he was out of the way...she wasn't armed...he just shot her in the face...he must have slept through training class that day...basically murdered her...

and that is exactly what I do when I get pulled over...I used to drive faster when I was younger...not anymore...but back then...if I got pulled over...I even put my car keys on my drivers window ledge to let him know I'm not gonna run or be any trouble...and usually...they let me go because I apologized politely for my infraction and treated them with respect...

 

[mikemiller1955]

The Mayor of Minneapolis and Tim Walz were also on TV ranting that it was murder within a short time after the incident. They enflamed the situation and if the victim had been a minority, they would have claimed it was racial resulting in riots and destruction for the next week. They also prohibit the local police from assisting in these situations which could have alleviated the cause here. There is a difference between a justified shooting under the law and subjective opinion about whether the ICE officer should have fired. I think he should have stepped aside but my understanding is that he had already been struck once by a car driven by one of these loons and spent time in the hospital. Even if her intent in this incident was to flee instead of hitting him, he was still in the path of the vehicle and under the law had a reasonable basis to discharge his weapon.

Doug...he was not in her path...he wasn't hit by her car...watch the video....she turned her front wheels to the right to avoid him...he snapped...he just yanked out his firearm...stepped over to her window...and just murdered her...not reasonable cause at all...while he may escape any charges...because Trump is on his side...I expect a civil suit before this is over...and I expect she will win...

 

[Warrior]

Gee George...I get your point...she doesn't like ICE...what a crazy girl...so shoot her in the face...is that what we got to look forward to?

My point is she was not some innocent person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, she is an anti ICE activist who was there for a reason, to protest against ICE.

Does that mean she should be shot; no it does not.

You got your facts wrong in stating "she was not protesting anything and was dropping her kid off at school."

That is not the case, she was protesting.

And I don't think she was trying to run the ICE agent over, she was focused on the agent trying to open the door, she tried to flee the scene and when the vehicle lurched forward, the guy was sort of in the way, he almost did get hit, but he got out of the way, I do not think she saw him/was trying to run him over.

 

[Go for Broke]

Doug...he was not in her path...he wasn't hit by her car...watch the video....she turned her front wheels to the right to avoid him...he snapped...he just yanked out his firearm...stepped over to her window...and just murdered her...not reasonable cause at all...while he may escape any charges...because Trump is on his side...I expect a civil suit before this is over...and I expect she will win...

I'm with Mike Miller. Everyone responding are men and talking about encounters with police. Everyone is familiar USA Police. ICE is a different. Very secretive. If you're a women and an unmarked vehicle pulled you over and 4-men in combat garb pile out, you would be really scared. You could disappear. Sometimes ICE's demeanor is not nicest. Very aggressive. Its like you're guilty until proven innocent. As said earlier, never step in front of a car. Gary from Missouri would agree. We had two ice agents at our small county fair. I wasn't happy. Why ruin people's good time? Police was there too and that was normal. ICE action is something you see in third world countries strong arming people without due process.

 

[mikemiller1955]

You got your facts wrong in stating "she was not protesting anything and was dropping her kid off at school."

That is not the case, she was protesting.

George...I don't concede that at all...every website I go to...says she was coming home from taking her kid to school...
except FOX...which I'm guessing is your major news source...

but lets say you are right just for arguments sake...so she was sitting in her car protesting against ICE...okay?

I don't care if she had a tattoo on her forehead that says "I HATE ICE"...
and a sign in each hand saying "ICE LEAVE MINNESOTA"...
and screaming chants denouncing ICE through a bullhorn...

How can you justify her opinion on ICE warranting getting shot in the face?

She was murdered at point blank range like a scene out of Sopranos...how do you not see that?

 

[mikemiller1955]

I consider myself bi-partisan...

One of the few things I liked about this administration...was their stance on closing the border and thoroughly vetting all immigrant entries...

another thing I liked about Trump was his catchphrase "We are going after the worst of the worst...murders...rapist...drug dealers"...well...it sounded good to me at first...but I believe they have deviated from that 360 degrees...it's turned into a snatch and grab...then you're flushed down the commode..no habeas corpus proceedings to detainees...a complete lack of constitutional rights...no legal court procedure...if we capture you...you're guilty...and shipped off to El Salvador...never to be heard from again...everyone deserves their day in court...

my feelings to him blowing up any boat near Venezuela...same thing...instead of blowing then up and claiming they are drug dealers...I want proof...capture these guys instead of killing them...prove to me they have drugs destined for America...and I'm on board with that 100%...until they do prove it to me...I don't believe a thing they are saying...

 

[tdubel]

As I said, my post was not about what this is turning into. I don't understand the comments on ICE, they are federal law enforcement, trained the same way Marshal, FBI, etc. All one in the same, what is different, is they are actually enforcing the laws on the books that have not been enforced. I don't have any problem with that, whether I agree with the laws on the books or not. If you want to change the laws, then Congress should act, but enforcing the ones on the books do not in the least make me uncomfortable.

What makes me uncomfortable is lawless people defrauding the US, illegally coming here when legal immigration is at a standstill and a disaster, utilizing resources meant for US Citizens, utilizing school funding meant for US Citizens, utilizing and defrauding public money, etc etc etc.

Point I was making which is somehow lost to the emotions of the politics is Law Enforcement. There is zero reason to ever interfere with an operation/warrant, etc nor is it ever ok to not comply with an officer. You are putting your own as well as that officer's life at risk. As I said, there are way too many idiots in this Country who think the law doesn't apply to them and they are going to get their way regardless, well, look at a lot of the law enforcement tragedies - preventable. As I said, too many people want to FAFO, well guess what, these are all examples of finding out the hard way.

As to the current issues since they are being debated - The individual in Minnesota - why or what purpose would you have going near that operation? It doesn't matter, when you are told to stop, just stop? What is the worst that could happen then? You get yelled out by an officer? You yell at the officer and are then told to leave? Unbelievable.

As to Oregon - documented operation, there are a lot of references out there - Vene gang members/affiliates - the reason the news is now quiet on it is because the facts came out. I applaud the Feds for getting these morons out of our Country.

Venezuela - There is plenty of precedent for what took place there. Obama wanted to do this exact operation. The sad thing is both moronic sides only support it when in their best interests. The guy was just like Noriega - dictator protecting his wealth and it is well documented over about the last 50 years that the Country has constantly supported Columbian drug trafficking when it is in their best interests IE they got paid and Maduro was certainly part of that tradition. Also, I agree with the taking of the oil to recompensate the US companies that got screwed when Maduro nationalized, I find that to be fine, seems to balance the books. Do I want to be the international police? No, not really in any way shape or form, but as far as was it an overall good thing, yes.

Finally - there are plenty of WOMEN in ICE and all of the federal law enforcement agencies.

End of the day, I try to not pay attention to the news, way too emotional, political, but ironically, NEVER factual until several days/months/ later. Odd phenom, see, facts don't make ratings, they are usually without purpose, they are just facts, but sensationalism sells. IF you don't believe that, then just read the last day's posts on this board. Stoke the fires, sell tickets, what a wonderful free press we have.

TD

 

[Combat]

Doug...he was not in her path...he wasn't hit by her car...watch the video....she turned her front wheels to the right to avoid him...he snapped...he just yanked out his firearm...stepped over to her window...and just murdered her...not reasonable cause at all...while he may escape any charges...because Trump is on his side...I expect a civil suit before this is over...and I expect she will win...

He was hit by the vehicle. Take a look at the ICE officer's video. Not that it matters. The car is coming at him. He is standing in front of it. Her intent - whether to hit him or turn and flee doesn't matter. The officer can't read her mind in that second. Once the vehicle is moving toward him he has reasonable grounds to believe his life is in danger and fire his gun. He doesn't have to make the best decision in that circumstance but only a reasonable one. There is no way it is murder. And the simple solution to this is for people not to act like complete loons and follow federal law enforcement agents around while trying to obstruct them. That puts everyone at risk. If the local MN authorities simply cooperated and allowed the police to hand over illegal aliens to them and/or provide security during these events by, for example, clearing these loons off the streets it would minimize the risks. But the Mayor and people like Walz would prefer that someone gets killed.

 

[Warrior]

George...I don't concede that at all...every website I go to...says she was coming home from taking her kid to school...
except FOX...which I'm guessing is your major news source...

but lets say you are right just for arguments sake...so she was sitting in her car protesting against ICE...okay?

I don't care if she had a tattoo on her forehead that says "I HATE ICE"...
and a sign in each hand saying "ICE LEAVE MINNESOTA"...
and screaming chants denouncing ICE through a bullhorn...

How can you justify her opinion on ICE warranting getting shot in the face?

She was murdered at point blank range like a scene out of Sopranos...how do you not see that?

FOX is not my major news source, that story came up on my FB feed.

If you discount that it came from FOX, what about the story in the NY POST? I suppose they are a right wing rag and what they report is also slanted.

And once again, I'm not justifying her getting shot.

Show me where I wrote that.

 

[Combat]

FOX is not my major news source, that story came up on my FB feed.

If you discount that it came from FOX, what about the story in the NY POST? I suppose they are a right wing rag and what they report is also slanted.

And once again, I'm not justifying her getting shot.

Show me where I wrote that.

And why exactly is her car blocking the road for several minutes? It clearly wasn't stuck since she just drives off. The most recent video shows her "wife" standing on the street cursing at an ICE agent and telling him she is a US citizen while filming. These women were part of the group who follow ICE around and try to obstruct their enforcement of the law by blocking the way, blowing whistles, and honking horns. Such people are complete radicalized loons. It's one thing to oppose enforcement of federal immigration laws and another to obstruct law enforcement. There are courts and laws for this purpose. The MN police should be arresting anyone who blocks traffic and tries to obstruct federal law enforcement.

 

[Go for Broke]

And why exactly is her car blocking the road for several minutes? It clearly wasn't stuck since she just drives off. The most recent video shows her "wife" standing on the street cursing at an ICE agent and telling him she is a US citizen while filming. These women were part of the group who follow ICE around and try to obstruct their enforcement of the law by blocking the way, blowing whistles, and honking horns. Such people are complete radicalized loons. It's one thing to oppose enforcement of federal immigration laws and another to obstruct law enforcement. There are courts and laws for this purpose. The MN police should be arresting anyone who blocks traffic and tries to obstruct federal law enforcement.

We collect toy soldiers, so I assume we like and know some history. What's happening today in the USA and also its relation to the world are both concerning and scary. I wanted to go to China and see the Great Wall and the Terra Cotta soldiers. I keep telling my wife we need to hurry up and go. China might now feel more entitled to take Taiwan. Russian says UK and French troops going to Ukraine for peace keeping for the proposed peace deal are legitimate targets. What does that mean? We're talking about peace time. That seemed like a veiled statement.

 

[Warrior]

And why exactly is her car blocking the road for several minutes? It clearly wasn't stuck since she just drives off. The most recent video shows her "wife" standing on the street cursing at an ICE agent and telling him she is a US citizen while filming. These women were part of the group who follow ICE around and try to obstruct their enforcement of the law by blocking the way, blowing whistles, and honking horns. Such people are complete radicalized loons. It's one thing to oppose enforcement of federal immigration laws and another to obstruct law enforcement. There are courts and laws for this purpose. The MN police should be arresting anyone who blocks traffic and tries to obstruct federal law enforcement.

Oh no, according to MSM, CNN and MSNBC, all she was doing was dropping her son off at school, she was not trying to stir pooe up at all, just a law abiding citizen going about her day is all.

Kimmel will have it in his monolog tonight, stay tuned.

Then he'll start blubbering and crying like she was a family member of his, because he cares you know.

Meet the new George Floyd.

 

[Warrior]

We collect toy soldiers, so I assume we like and know some history. What's happening today in the USA and also its relation to the world are both concerning and scary.

Rounding up and throwing out illegals, who were let into this country by the millions by the previous administration when we were all told the border was secure is concerning and scary?

To the illegals, probably.

My nephews best friends cousin was a hard working Greek kid, in his 20's, opened a sandwich shop and broke his rear end working 12 hour days 7 days a week.

He hired a kid who turned out to be an illegal, he had to fire him as if he paid him by the mistake, the kid would have been a millionaire.

The sandwich shop owner used to take the money from Saturday and Sunday sales home with him Sunday night to deposit at the bank on Monday morning on his way to the shop; the illegal knew that, so one night, he broke into the shop owners home, waited for him to come home, robbed and murdered him.

So an illegal POS killed my nephews best friends cousin, a person who NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY TO BEGIN WITH.

Other family members have pitched in to keep the shop open, some quit their jobs to help out because that's what us Greeks do, we look out for our own.

And in case any of you think this is some story I saw on FOX news, look it up, the sandwich shop was in Lynn Ma, the murder occurred last year, November or so I believe.

So cry me a river over illegals and how unfairly they are being treated by ICE.

I have zero fudges to give about the subject, period, END OF STORY.

 

[tdubel]

Rounding up and throwing out illegals, who were let into this country by the millions by the previous administration when we were all told the border was secure is concerning and scary?

To the illegals, probably.

My nephews best friends cousin was a hard working Greek kid, in his 20's, opened a sandwich shop and broke his rear end working 12 hour days 7 days a week.

He hired a kid who turned out to be an illegal, he had to fire him as if he paid him by the mistake, the kid would have been a millionaire.

The sandwich shop owner used to take the money from Saturday and Sunday sales home with him Sunday night to deposit at the bank on Monday morning on his way to the shop; the illegal knew that, so one night, he broke into the shop owners home, waited for him to come home, robbed and murdered him.

So an illegal POS killed my nephews best friends cousin, a person who NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY TO BEGIN WITH.

Other family members have pitched in to keep the shop open, some quit their jobs to help out because that's what us Greeks do, we look out for our own.

And in case any of you think this is some story I saw on FOX news, look it up, the sandwich shop was in Lynn Ma, the murder occurred last year, November or so I believe.

So cry me a river over illegals and how unfairly they are being treated by ICE.

I have zero fudges to give about the subject, period, END OF STORY.

And in the words of the immortal Paul Harvey - That's the rest of the story.

George, there are way too many stories like this unfortunately and these are the ones that should be reported.

Common sense on this subject left the building.

Tom

 

[tdubel]

We collect toy soldiers, so I assume we like and know some history. What's happening today in the USA and also its relation to the world are both concerning and scary. I wanted to go to China and see the Great Wall and the Terra Cotta soldiers. I keep telling my wife we need to hurry up and go. China might now feel more entitled to take Taiwan. Russian says UK and French troops going to Ukraine for peace keeping for the proposed peace deal are legitimate targets. What does that mean? We're talking about peace time. That seemed like a veiled statement.

Quoting history, China has felt entitled to take Taiwan for some time, this didn't happen overnight in 2024. They have been planning this since the 1949 split. This is not something new. I have had many discussions on this subject with a close friend who is living this reality with his family and dual citizenship.

Regarding Russia - this is the free world's fault IMO. Putin is a deadly adversary and enemy, he doesn't ever want to be part of the free world. He wants Mother Russia's rebirth and the Cold War that will come with it, that has always been his goal. Intelligence agencies worldwide should have given him no quarter long ago. My only hope is his time is short due to his own health. He is a very dangerous man who has been underestimated and left unchecked for way too long. Many US Presidents of recent history are guilty of this, they were so afraid of not getting re-elected, they have left him free reign. And it was not just the US, those wonderful European allies were only too happy to buy cheap oil, they are maybe now realizing they did a deal with the literal and figural devil.

TD

 

[tdubel]

On a "positive" note, I think the real story of the day is Iran. Things are getting very interesting there. It is way down in the news, but it is big news, I am not sure of how good of news it is. When power is displaced, you get a dangerous vacuum, this is going to be a turning point in history.

TD

 

[Horus]

On a "positive" note, I think the real story of the day is Iran. Things are getting very interesting there. It is way down in the news, but it is big news, I am not sure of how good of news it is. When power is displaced, you get a dangerous vacuum, this is going to be a turning point in history.

TD

If the Islamic regime is overthrown, and a more secular government installed, can only be better for the Iranian people and hopefully everyone else.

Though how long before a steady government that would be, after fifty odd years of theocracy, and being the main support for terrorism could be installed, and with the various factions what sort of coalition could be brokered, it could remain a hot spot for years.