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No, I didn't mean the same format, I meant HBO bringing their quality and realism to a show that the sort of money they put in provides.

Rob

Huge potential if HBO produces this. Unlike the disaster that was the Gettysburg show last yr. But that wasn't a mini series. Thankfully. The O'Reilly "Who Killed Lincoln" book is being made into a tv production due out next yr as well. The book has had a lot of detractors (including me) but it is #3 on NYT best sellers list.
Chris
 
Huge potential if HBO produces this. Unlike the disaster that was the Gettysburg show last yr. But that wasn't a mini series. Thankfully. The O'Reilly "Who Killed Lincoln" book is being made into a tv production due out next yr as well. The book has had a lot of detractors (including me) but it is #3 on NYT best sellers list.
Chris

I'm glad all of you ACW enthusiasts are getting lots of new productions over the coming years, happily it looks like us WW1 nuts will be getting the same. Must say my interest in the ACW has grown since a) I purchased Ken Burns excellent dvd set and b) I first saw Bob's (UkRebs) dio's. Fascinating conflict with some things in common with WW1 too.

Look forward to HBO hopefully producing this new series.{bravo}}

Rob
 
Huge potential if HBO produces this. Unlike the disaster that was the Gettysburg show last yr. But that wasn't a mini series. Thankfully. The O'Reilly "Who Killed Lincoln" book is being made into a tv production due out next yr as well. The book has had a lot of detractors (including me) but it is #3 on NYT best sellers list.
Chris

That says a lot about the power of celebrity. In the end, if the book and the production get more people interested in Civil War studies and perhaps spawns future historians, it will have served its purpose.

Brad
 
That says a lot about the power of celebrity. In the end, if the book and the production get more people interested in Civil War studies and perhaps spawns future historians, it will have served its purpose.

Brad
O'Reilly is writing a book on the JFK assassination. He apparently concludes the Oswald was the lone shooter.
 
The scripts have now been finalised and titled

Episode 1. The Point (West Point cadets and the Mexican War of 1846)

Episode 2. American Macbeth (McClellan)

Episode 3. Shooting Star (Grant at Shiloh)

Episode 4. American God (Lincoln & Emancipation)

Episode 5. Reunion (Gettysburg)

Episode 6. An American By Himself (Grant & Sherman)

Episode 7. Blood (The Overland Campaign)

Episode 8. Appomattox

Shooting scheduled for next month-Series planned to be aired Mid 2013
 
No script for Lee, Jackson or Longstreet?

Looking at the titles this series smell somewhat pro-Union to me...
 
No script for Lee, Jackson or Longstreet?

Looking at the titles this series smell somewhat pro-Union to me...

Kaap,

Since you're Dutch, I'm curious about your perspective about the Civil War and not just the battles.

Brad
 
Whatever you'd like to say. I'm curious how non Americans view the Civil War and its causes, including how Americans got to the point where armed conflict seemed to be the only answer.
 
Hmmm, it's still a tough topic to discuss. For a non american it's not a regular historical topic to think about. Our schooling doesn't mention the american civil war at all. So my interest comes in from another channel. Keep in mind english is not my native language so certain things I write could be interpertated as if I wont understand, but I do, it's just hard to write in such a way that makes everything clear.

When I was about 6 or 7 this TV series broadcasted, North & South, with Patrick Swayze. You surely know about it. Well, my parents watched it and while I as a young boy have always been into history I watched along. At that age the battles ofcourse were of interest but I also caught some of the non-combat scenes. What intriged me the most was that a huge world power like the United States commited civil war. That was...bizar. So at that point I became interested into this conflict. Beeing in the 80's as a youngster it's very hard to find information about this conflict. In the library I managed to find various books that educated me.

I've studied the conflict during my teenager years. What most non-americans think is that the civil war was about slavery. Many of the things a non-american can view or read do give that impression. However, upon further studying I learned that the american civil war was not about slavery at all. This conflict was about the southern states not beeing satisfied with the management of the "states". From what I know the country's representatives were based on how many citizens each county/city had. When comparing the northern states to the southern states it's easy to determine the northern states had advantages. The south stated it should have equal rights compared to northern states. This could be pointed out as a point that started growing disbelief in the equalness of the union. I must admit that I do not know everything inside out. Perhaps Pickett's analysis of a gentleman's club could be helpfull to understand the distrust in the simplest way.

Anyway, some of the southern states didn't agree the way the north had, in their opinion, too much control over the continent. I guess with emotions going on, eventually states decided to withdraw from the Union. The "states" were still considered as individual countries at that point so withdrawing from an alliance would be viable. The northern states didn't expect, and ofcourse didn't like this dividing of the nation.

The rest is, I guess, common history. From the firing at Fort Sumter till Appomatox. When asked me to distinguise both sides, I'd have to say the southern states were in their full right to withdraw from the union. The southern states' reason to fight against the northern enforcement is in my opinion fully understandable, and as the person that I am, I cannot blame them at all. It is what I would do. As for the Union, I feel they fought due to them not wanting to accept a split in the continent. Lincoln's campaign that this conflict was about slavery is in my opinion 1 of the weakest political campaigns one could ever think of. Neither northern or southern people had any real interest in the freedom of slaves. Sure, the north had abandoned slavery, but that doesn't mean the general opinion against a "black" man changed much over the years. I guess when you asked most northern soldiers why they choose to take up arms against the south they would answer that they did it because their nation asked them to. Patriotism got them to fight for their side, not slaves. The southern soldiers fought for nothing else either, and added to that the disagreement on how the north denied them certain "equalness".

Once again I have to state that I dont quite know the political inside outs and reasons for this conflict. Not that I dont want to, but just because I feel I have not paid enough attention to that specific part yet. It's hard to say who was right and who was wrong, neither do I want to. I guess all I can say is I can understand the motivations from either side. When a conflict ends the looser is always wrong and the bad side. The winner is always right and the hero. I feel that in the aftermath and the way history was written that many are educated the wrong reasons this conflict was fought about and that in the end, from a neutral persons view, there was no right....or wrong.

All in all, everything about, in and around it, makes this conflict 1 of the most interesting conflicts in history. And that's why I love it so much, and perhaps because I have american blood in my vains ;)
 
Thanks for the response. I think there are some errors in your analysis and will post a response in the coming days or perhaps send you a pm as the subject is till somewhat contoversial, to say the least. To gain an understanding of the conflict it is important to understand the politcal history, dating all the way back to the Constitution's adoption. Some say the War is history but we still live with its consequences.
 
I can understand what you mean. Like I said earlier, my personal interest is the military aspect. My knowledge of the politics in and around the conflict are very limited.
 
The scripts have now been finalised and titled

Episode 1. The Point (West Point cadets and the Mexican War of 1846)

Episode 2. American Macbeth (McClellan)

Episode 3. Shooting Star (Grant at Shiloh)

Episode 4. American God (Lincoln & Emancipation)

Episode 5. Reunion (Gettysburg)

Episode 6. An American By Himself (Grant & Sherman)

Episode 7. Blood (The Overland Campaign)

Episode 8. Appomattox

Shooting scheduled for next month-Series planned to be aired Mid 2013

I have high hopes for this series. Hoping it's as good as Ken Burns series, although a different format. Maybe a BOB type story and quality. Now that would be something. :smile2: Chris
 
No script for Lee, Jackson or Longstreet?

Looking at the titles this series smell somewhat pro-Union to me...

Hi Kaap

Well the series lead character is Grant and it is his story. However, my man on the ground tells me that the Confederacy and all the Southern characters are well represented within each episode.

Obviously I do not know the series exact storyline or indeed how much dialogue each Reb celebrity gets to quote but one look at the cast list on IMDb and there are quite a few senior Confederates listed.

I would think that Episode 1 will set the scene that probably glues the episodes together and that is the friendship and bonding that took place at the Academy during the class of 1845 & 1846 in particular and all of them serving together in the US Army during the Mexican War of 46/47.

Jackson; A P Hill; Pickett; Cadmus Wilcox; Gardner; Maxey were all classmate cadets in 1846 and all became Confederate generals during the war. In that class were also McClellan; Grant; Jesse Reno; Stoneman; Sam Sturgis and James Oakes who became generals in the Union army.

As you can see the class of 1846 contained quite a mix of Civil War generals and never again did one individual academy class generate so many senior officers.

Bob
 
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Since this will principally focus on Grant, I wonder if they will mention the infamous Order No. 11 when Grant tried to exile the Jews from the war zone, a move quickly countermanded by Lincoln and one which Grant tried to make amends for the rest of his life; under his administration Jews advanced higher in public office than ever before. There is a recent book "When Grant Expelled The Jews" by Jonathan Sarna that details this that i just finished. I'm not sure there was really enough for a book but it's an interesting story nonetheless.
 
Based on a post in Civil War Memory, http://cwmemory.com/2014/05/20/kickstarter-campaign-for-to-appomattox-dead-on-arrival/#more-26558, this project now looks to be dead. The producers tried to raise money through a Kickstarter campaign and were not successful.

Well that's a big disappointment, had a feeling this project was never going to get off the ground.

I guess if it's not a project based on a comic book theme or a rehash of an old movie, it's not going to fly.

What a shame.
 

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