My wife would disagree!
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Four of the six look fine to me; the Figarti figure is not on a base and if it was, it would be a good fit with Patriot, CS and K & C.
The base on the Del Prado figure is thickest of the 5 based figures in your example; this is a newer sculpt, not the same as all the previous DP figures, which were a perfect match for K & C.
The newer Del Prado WWII and Napoleonic figures are God awful, they are close to 70mm, the Fallschrimjager throwing the stick grenade is one of the worst figures I've ever seen.
I've always viewed Britains figures as 54mm, not 60mm, it does not go well with any of the manufacturers you've got it with here, but they go great with First Legion.
Just like actual, real, living, breathing, walking, talking, typing, measuring humans, toy soldiers vary in heft and height; I've never seen a WWII era picture of several soldiers standing together all looking the same weightwise and heightwise, that's known as reality.
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I'm happy for the both of you :rolleyes2:
Thank you; we have been married for over 45 years to date.
Proportion is not affected by figure height. All measrements of the figures do not include the base.
The three ratios are; Height of head to figure height, width of head to shoulder width and torso length to leg length.
You can measure the ratios on yourself standing in front of a mirror with a yard/meter stick. My torso/leg ratio is torso 40'/legs 36'=1.1. Perfect vertical symmetrey would be torso 38"/ legs 38"= 1. My torso is too long for my legs and I am therefore disproportionate to a small degree.
The most proportionate figures by accepted measurable standards; are the W. britains and Patriot figures.The difference in scale between the two figures does not affect their proportions.
I fully agree that most proportions of living humans are not perfect and standards of beauty and physical perfection vary widely with cultures. The standards cited are for northern Europeans and unless deformed should fall within the ratio ranges cited.
WWII was not fought between Giants and Dwarfs like the Lord of the Rings. Human norms obtained and realistic Toy Soldiers should observe these norms.
I understand that is one of several methods of measuring figure height. The photos show the compatability of the W. Britains Fallschimjager with the Panzers. W. Britains states on their website that their matte figures are 58-60mm tall. I am willing to split the difference for this discussion and say he is 59mm +/- 1mm tall.
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It looks like it's 60 mm including the base and helmet, which makes it a bit small imo, similar size to First Legion.
60 mm from top of base to top of helmet. The same height as First Legion figures. Warrior is correct in his identification of the Panzers as 21st Century. The interesting thing about the Panzers is their size compatability with the 60mm figure. The Panzers measure 1/30 scale. 21st Century changed their Panzers to diecast metal and plastic in 2004 to compete with the FOV diecast AFVs.The Cold Steel line of AFVs. The change resulted in a size increase from 1/32 to 1/30; because the molds were modified or new molds were made. Whatever the reason for the change it seems that the 21st Century Cold Steel Panzer IV and Stug IV are size compatable with First Legion and W. Britains WWII figures. A much less expensive alternative to FL Armor at $30 each from Ebay. Plus the hatches open and close! A professional repaint and added details will make a nice 1/30 Panzer. I am checking the measurments of other 21st Century Cold Steel AFVs to see if they are 1/30 or 1/32. I wonder if 21st Century bought the old 1/30 scale Bandai and Minicraft/Nichimo Panzer IV molds and used them for the Cold Steel line?
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Bold statement again but where the facts 21st century armour 1/30 scale !? I had there stuff and like FOV. It 1/32 scale
Neil the Cold Steel series used different tooling than the all plastic versions. Die cast uses different tooling than plastic injection molds. The new tooling was 1/30 not 1/32. The pictures prove the size as well as the numbers IMO.
Panzer IV Full Size--------------------------------------- Panzer IV 1/30 Size--------------------------------Scale
Length 276" ------------------------------------------------------9.0"--------------------------------------------1/30.6
Width 112.8"------------------------------------------------------3.8"--------------------------------------------1/29.6
Height 105.6------------------------------------------------------3.5"--------------------------------------------1/30.2
Deck Height 64"--------------------------------------------------2.12"-------------------------------------------1/30.1
Stug IV Full Size---------------------------------------------Stug IV 1/30 Size---------------------------------Scale
Length 270"-------------------------------------------------------8.87"------------------------------------------1/30.4
Width 114"--------------------------------------------------------3.81"-------------------------------------------1/29.9
Height 85"---------------------------------------------------------2.75"-------------------------------------------1/30.9
Both models were made in 2004 by 21st Century Toys. The figure measures 60mm tall from top of base to top of head and was made by W. Britains in 2009.
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Neil the Cold Steel series used different tooling than the all plastic versions. Die cast uses different tooling than plastic injection molds. The new tooling was 1/30 not 1/32. The pictures prove the size as well as the numbers IMO.
I sold the 21st Century items since day one, I'll defer to you on the Cold Steel range as I did not carry it; that said, I don't know why 21st Century would invest in new tooling and molds for the cold steel range and make them bigger models as they were on life support towards the end of their run, they we throwing nickels around like manhole covers and again, I can't imagine why they'd invest in new tooling and molds for the Cold Steel range, it makes zero economic sense, not to mention loyal customers would not be happy with a scale change that late in the game ............
I sold the 21st Century items since day one, I'll defer to you on the Cold Steel range as I did not carry it; that said, I don't know why 21st Century would invest in new tooling and molds for the cold steel range and make them bigger models as they were on life support towards the end of their run, they we throwing nickels around like manhole covers and again, I can't imagine why they'd invest in new tooling and molds for the Cold Steel range, it makes zero economic sense, not to mention loyal customers would not be happy with a scale change that late in the game ............
Correct me if I am wrong; the Cold Steel series was made in 2004 to compete with new FOV Die Cast metal line introduced in 2003 and directly competing with the 1/32 21st Century plastic prebuilt models; which at the time were very innovative. 21st Century overextended itself as so many compamnies do and went out of business in 2008 as I recall. I always enjoyed the 1/18 scale line. I have the Tiger I, Panther and Sherman. Great display pieces.
The numbers say its 1/30 not 1/32 scale. The W. Britains figure is 60mm from top of base to top of head; if this figure is 1/32 than First Legion figures are 1/32.
The metal in the 21st Century Toys 1/32 Panzer IV is a solid Due Cast ZAMAC upper hull piece forming the entire deck, from glacis plate to engine cover. The turret and lower hull are plastic as are the gun, schurtzen etc. The Stug IV is built exactly the same as are all of the Cold steel series.
The metal in the 21st Century Toys 1/32 Panzer IV is a solid Due Cast ZAMAC upper hull piece forming the entire deck, from glacis plate to engine cover. The turret and lower hull are plastic as are the gun, schurtzen etc. The Stug IV is built exactly the same as are all of the Cold steel series.
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Let me get this straight, you're saying your measurements says a model is 1/30 scale when the company that makes it sells it at 1/32 scale and 99% of collectors know them to be 1/32 scale. You made the same claims regarding your measurement of a 1/32 FOV M26 Pershing that you claim is actually 1/30 scale. Repetitious posts on the subject won't change any actual facts. If you prefer your figures to be relatively small compared to tanks, that's fine. However it doesn't mean yours is the 'true' way to display, it's just your own perception/preference. You seem to be getting the 60 mm height of a figure (however it's measured) confused with 1/30 scale, it's not the same thing.
Just because the box says 1/30 does not mean its true. My TCS boxes all say 1/30 scale but the contents measure 1/28 scale. Numerous posts have been made on this subject and the measuremrents validated,
1/32 scale is no more sacred than 1/30 scale. I accepted what FOV and 21st Century Toys said on the box; until I decided to actually measure them; just the same as buyers of TCS have done. Why would I say a piece of armor is 1/XX scale and provide all the relevant numbers if it were not true and verifiable. Anyone can make the same measurments as I have on the same pieces of armor.
I thought it would be useful for collectors to know that armor compatable with 60mm figures was available in reasonable quality at reasonable prices. Not all FOV or 21st Century armor is 1/30 scale; some is 1/31 like the FOV Jagdtiger. The FOV Jagdpanther is 1/32 as advertised. Just like Toy Soldiers these pieces of armor from various companies come in a range of sizes and need to be measured to determine what you have purchased.
Just like the 60mm figures; which range from 54mm to 70mm and are all called 60mm!
1/32 scale is no more sacred than 1/30 scale. I accepted what FOV and 21st Century Toys said on the box; until I decided to actually measure them; just the same as buyers of TCS have done. Why would I say a piece of armor is 1/XX scale and provide all the relevant numbers if it were not true and verifiable. Anyone can make the same measurments as I have on the same pieces of armor.
I thought it would be useful for collectors to know that armor compatable with 60mm figures was available in reasonable quality at reasonable prices. Not all FOV or 21st Century armor is 1/30 scale; some is 1/31 like the FOV Jagdtiger. The FOV Jagdpanther is 1/32 as advertised. Just like Toy Soldiers these pieces of armor from various companies come in a range of sizes and need to be measured to determine what you have purchased.
Just like the 60mm figures; which range from 54mm to 70mm and are all called 60mm!
Matt; I use stainless steel scales in both inches and millimeters. A digital vernier caliper and a digital micometer. The measuements are quite simple and I repeat them several times to insure accuracy. The calculation of both scale and Human body proportions are simple ratios involving nothing more complex than simple division. I usually double check my math as I dislike making errors. When I make an error I correct it immeadiatly and post the correction as I have previously done on the Forum. I do sometimes fat finger my keyboard!
I am hopeful some other collectors with open minds will measure their 1/32 armor and determine if what is printed on the box is actually true. We now know after much measurement and calculation by many Forum members; that TCS 1/30 scale armor is TCS 1/28 scale armor. Some armor labeled 1/30 is actually 1/32; it works both ways and is equally dissapointing to a collector looking for accrate scale models that are much too expensive to be mislabeled.
I am hopeful some other collectors with open minds will measure their 1/32 armor and determine if what is printed on the box is actually true. We now know after much measurement and calculation by many Forum members; that TCS 1/30 scale armor is TCS 1/28 scale armor. Some armor labeled 1/30 is actually 1/32; it works both ways and is equally dissapointing to a collector looking for accrate scale models that are much too expensive to be mislabeled.