What next for Figarti Allied AFV's. (2 Viewers)

What Allied vehicle would you like to see next?

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Rob said:
Yes I thought the Pershing would be popular,there have been many requests for this on different threads here.

Rob
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And it's one Andy said he doesn't want to do so it wouldn't surprise me if we saw Figarti make one.
 
I still don't understand the popularity of this tank. It entered WW2 very late, had little combat experience, was underpowered, and even the upgraded versions didn't perform well in Korea.

Can anyone voting for this tank, please explain it's appeal :confused::)

Terry
 
Maybe the 90mm gun,maybe because it looks good,maybe because one of them knocked out two Tigers or possibly just because none of the big guys have made it recently,its all in the mix;)

Rob
 
OK Terry, I voted for the Pershing and here's why - I didn't see some of my other personal choices on the poll. I love Shermans and Figarti is doing righteous Sherman work. I will bet that there are a couple more interesting Sherman types in the works that haven't been announced yet. The Pershing is a beefy tank that looks unlike anything else in the ETO. Yes, very limited combat time, but it set the pattern for the American battle tank. I would suggest the markings for Sgt Early's tank from the 3rd Armored Division - that was the one that fought the Panther in Cologne, Germany in 1945 in what has to be the best documented tank duel ever.

My personal first choice would be for an M4A3E2, the uparmored assault Sherman. These are called "Jumbos" in some references but they never really had a US Army name in WW2. Anyway, these were beefed up M4A3s with up to 6" of armor. 254 were built and 250 went to Europe. They were distributed to a variety of units. There are about 8 or more M4A3E2s in existence today including a restoration nearing completion at the Military Vehicle Technology Foundation and a restoration underway at Ft. Knox. The Ft. Knox machine is VERY interesting as it was discovered to have quite a history. Nicknamed "Cobra King", it served in the US 4th Armored Division and as part of Company C, 37th Tank Battalion it becaome the first Third Army tank to enter Bastogne to relieve the 101st Airborne Div. "Cobra King" later served in the ill-fated Hammelburg raid where is was knocked out. The tank was later recovered by the Seventh Army, was repaired and ended up as a monument tank at a facility in Vilseck, Germany. The historic importance of the tank was discovered and the vehicle verified by serial numbers. It has been brought back to the USA and is being restored and will be in the upcoming National Museum of the US Army.

To add to the poll - how many of us would actually plunk down $225-250 to have a nice model of this historic tank? Can we sell 100 of them? If we can then maybe Rick will build it?

Gary B.
(unrepentant lobbyist for Cobra King)
 
Phantom Warrior said:
I still don't understand the popularity of this tank. It entered WW2 very late, had little combat experience, was underpowered, and even the upgraded versions didn't perform well in Korea.

Can anyone voting for this tank, please explain it's appeal :confused::)

Terry
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I believe the lateness of its entry and its lack of combat experience were reasons Andy cited in not wanting to make it.
 
binder001 said:
OK Terry, I voted for the Pershing and here's why - I didn't see some of my other personal choices on the poll. I love Shermans and Figarti is doing righteous Sherman work. I will bet that there are a couple more interesting Sherman types in the works that haven't been announced yet. The Pershing is a beefy tank that looks unlike anything else in the ETO. Yes, very limited combat time, but it set the pattern for the American battle tank. I would suggest the markings for Sgt Early's tank from the 3rd Armored Division - that was the one that fought the Panther in Cologne, Germany in 1945 in what has to be the best documented tank duel ever.

My personal first choice would be for an M4A3E2, the uparmored assault Sherman. These are called "Jumbos" in some references but they never really had a US Army name in WW2. Anyway, these were beefed up M4A3s with up to 6" of armor. 254 were built and 250 went to Europe. They were distributed to a variety of units. There are about 8 or more M4A3E2s in existence today including a restoration nearing completion at the Military Vehicle Technology Foundation and a restoration underway at Ft. Knox. The Ft. Knox machine is VERY interesting as it was discovered to have quite a history. Nicknamed "Cobra King", it served in the US 4th Armored Division and as part of Company C, 37th Tank Battalion it becaome the first Third Army tank to enter Bastogne to relieve the 101st Airborne Div. "Cobra King" later served in the ill-fated Hammelburg raid where is was knocked out. The tank was later recovered by the Seventh Army, was repaired and ended up as a monument tank at a facility in Vilseck, Germany. The historic importance of the tank was discovered and the vehicle verified by serial numbers. It has been brought back to the USA and is being restored and will be in the upcoming National Museum of the US Army.

To add to the poll - how many of us would actually plunk down $225-250 to have a nice model of this historic tank? Can we sell 100 of them? If we can then maybe Rick will build it?

Gary B.
(unrepentant lobbyist for Cobra King)
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I would buy a Jumbo Sherman, but there are so many other AFVs I would rank ahead of a Pershing, it's unlikely I would ever put out the money for it. I got the Chaffee - it fought at the Bulge and fits in the Bulge series I collect. But as yet, there is no end of war 1945 series, so nowhere to really fit the Pershing in to my collection. I would prefer some late war Russian AFVs continuing the Fall of Berlin series ahead of a Pershing.

Terry
 
The Pershing has always been my favorite American tank and the Comet my fav Brit tank.

Here's the video Garry was referring to (it may be a bit graphic for some viewers):
http://vimeo.com/4663542
 
OzDigger said:
The Pershing has always been my favorite American tank and the Comet my fav Brit tank.

Here's the video Garry was referring to (it may be a bit graphic for some viewers):
http://vimeo.com/4663542
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Thanks for posting this Oz,seen it before but worth seeing again.Gives you an idea of the terrible fate that Tank crews of all nations risked in WW2,sobering indeed.

Rob
 
Rob said:
Thanks for posting this Oz,seen it before but worth seeing again.Gives you an idea of the terrible fate that Tank crews of all nations risked in WW2,sobering indeed.

Rob
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No worries Rob, I could be wrong but I think some of the more graphic portions of that movie have been censored out in other versions I have seen.
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Well, the Pershing with 12 votes is the number 1 choice in the poll, so clearly it is popular. I guess it just doesn't appeal to me ahead of the other choices, and since I can't buy them all, it's one I would pass on. :)

Terry
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I only voted for the Pershing, because of the ruckus it was causing among some of the members:DMichael
 
OzDigger said:
No worries Rob, I could be wrong but I think some of the more graphic portions of that movie have been censored out in other versions I have seen.
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Yes I think you are right there Oz,grim but interesting stuff.Looks like at least some of the Panther crew got away,but the flames coming out of those hatches is frightening,what on earth must it have been like inside that Tank:(

Rob
 
The Pershing is pulling ahead,but one of my faves the Calliope is right on its shoulder;)

Rob
 
Oz, thanks for the link - that is a nice clean transfer of that old film. Some versions are very blurry. In addition to one or two guys with movie cameras there were one or two Signal Corps photographers shooting still shots of the action. That's why I call it the best documented single tank duel.

Terry, if the Pershing is too late, at least the M4A3E2 fits your time period.. They came to France in the fall of 1944 and were distributed as they arrived. About all of them were in troop use by the time of the Ardennes campaign. There are a number of photos of "Jumbos" in the snow and a couple (at least) got white painted for the counter attack in January, 1945. The M4A3E8 just entered troop use before the Battle of the Bulge also and saw increasing numbers. The rest of the M4A3 series (75mm, 76mm and 105mm) were common in the Bulge along with the older M4, M4A1 and M4A1,76mm types.

We'll just have to see what we get...

Gary B.
 
binder001 said:
Oz, thanks for the link - that is a nice clean transfer of that old film. Some versions are very blurry. In addition to one or two guys with movie cameras there were one or two Signal Corps photographers shooting still shots of the action. That's why I call it the best documented single tank duel.

Terry, if the Pershing is too late, at least the M4A3E2 fits your time period.. They came to France in the fall of 1944 and were distributed as they arrived. About all of them were in troop use by the time of the Ardennes campaign. There are a number of photos of "Jumbos" in the snow and a couple (at least) got white painted for the counter attack in January, 1945. The M4A3E8 just entered troop use before the Battle of the Bulge also and saw increasing numbers. The rest of the M4A3 series (75mm, 76mm and 105mm) were common in the Bulge along with the older M4, M4A1 and M4A1,76mm types.

We'll just have to see what we get...

Gary B.
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The Jumbo and 105 mm would be most welcome additions to my collection.

Terry
 
So no one liked my M12 Gun carriage idea then!;)

Rob
 
OzDigger said:
I already have the K & C version (DD078) so I'd rather Figarti made something new to the 1/30 market like a Comet or Pershing.
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A Comet would be very welcome,I would prefer that to the Pershing myself.

Rob
 
Phantom Warrior said:
I still don't understand the popularity of this tank. It entered WW2 very late, had little combat experience, was underpowered, and even the upgraded versions didn't perform well in Korea.

Can anyone voting for this tank, please explain it's appeal :confused::)

Terry
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Well, I get the same satisfaction out of the Pershing that I get out of Russian/Berlin dioramas...it symbolizes the crushing of the Reich.

Stalingrad is a German story to me, so I could buy German Stalingrad pieces & nothing else. It's a piece of history that affected the Germans way more than the Soviets. The Soviet Union was never going to fall even if that city was lost.

1945 is the story of the Allies to me. The Pershing in west Germany...the JS2 in Berlin...total overkill against an enemy that just doesn't want to quit. Blast them out building by building.
 
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