What next for Figarti Allied AFV's. (1 Viewer)

[Phantom Warrior]

Well, I get the same satisfaction out of the Pershing that I get out of Russian/Berlin dioramas...it symbolizes the crushing of the Reich.

Stalingrad is a German story to me, so I could buy German Stalingrad pieces & nothing else. It's a piece of history that affected the Germans way more than the Soviets. The Soviet Union was never going to fall even if that city was lost.

1945 is the story of the Allies to me. The Pershing in west Germany...the JS2 in Berlin...total overkill against an enemy that just doesn't want to quit. Blast them out building by building.

I see your point. Although the JS2 was a true heavy tank with 160 mm of frontal armour and a 122mm main gun. The Pershing had frontal armour of 110mm and a 90 mm main gun with better armour penetration than the Russian 122mm gun which was more for taking on German fortificactions with an HE round than for tank vs tank combat.The JS2 entered service in 1942 with 3900 produced before being replaced by the JS3. It was a mainstay in the Battle of Berlin. The Pershing was introduced in February 1945 and served for only 3 months.

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

One more thing too,

the Pershing was the immediate predecessor to one of the best tanks USA ever had. By ever had, I mean in comparison to its contemporary competition; the M46 Patton. Not the best in the world...that would be the Centurion no doubt. But until the M1 Abrams was fielded, the US never had a real war winner. So there is some nostalgia with the Pershing. I like the M47, 48 & 60 too, but with each advance of the Patton design, we still lost more & more ground in tank design.

 

[joesgis]

Pershing gets my emphatic vote!

Joe

 

[Kurt]

I've been waiting for a Pershing since I got in this Hobby several years ago. Thanks to this poll maybe we'll have one in a year or less. However, I really don't know if I'd prefer it from K&C or Figarti.

 

[binder001]

the Pershing was the immediate predecessor to one of the best tanks USA ever had. By ever had, I mean in comparison to its contemporary competition; the M46 Patton. Not the best in the world...that would be the Centurion no doubt. But until the M1 Abrams was fielded, the US never had a real war winner. So there is some nostalgia with the Pershing. I like the M47, 48 & 60 too, but with each advance of the Patton design, we still lost more & more ground in tank design.

Interesting. I can't say that I agree with you, but we each have our opinion. M46 did offer better HP/ton and a more reliable engine, which were the biggest weak points of the M26's hurried design. Unfortunately the M46 didn't increase the firepower and was a major fuel hog. M47 added a rangefinder, M48 offered several advancements, but the M47 and early M48 had the same range problems. THese were finally fixed in the M60 by going to the diesel engine which was then added to the rebuilt Pattons - the M48A3 (from VietNam) and the M48A5. M60 was generally a good tank for the time, moving through M60A1 to M60A3 with the unfortunate side trip into the M60A2. M1 started with a blank sheet of paper. For the late 60s I admire the Israeli Centurions that combined the exellent 105mm gun with the M60's diesel engine.

M46 did OK in Korea, but it didn't do anything that the M26 couldn't.

Gary

 

[lancer]

I would love to see someone do a 1/30 Israeli Centurion. -- lancer

 

[glossman]

I would love to see someone do a 1/30 Israeli Centurion. -- lancer

Perhaps an IDF Merkava MBT.

 

[Blowtorch]

M60 was generally a good tank for the time, moving through M60A1 to M60A3 with the unfortunate side trip into the M60A

I love the Pattons too (hint to Figarti: don't make Patton tanks unless you want the burden of taking more of my money) but don't you think the T-64 was a big step forward as opposed to the incremental steps of the Patton series? Perhaps it is just hype that I have fallen for.

 

[binder001]

but don't you think the T-64 was a big step forward as opposed to the incremental steps of the Patton series? Perhaps it is just hype that I have fallen for.

Personally, I think T54 was the major stride forward. The next great Soviet success story after the T34. T54 spawned a whole generation, T55, T62, etc. I'm not as "into" USSR armor as US, but to me the T64, T72 etc. built on the success of the original T54 like our Pattons did, by smaller changes building on the good points of the previous tanks. I could be wrong, but that's my personal take on the T64.

Gary B.