Where Do We Go From Here? (1 Viewer)

[ChrisTay]

Here is a close-up shot of MG033(P) (This week's top of the Pops Seller on K&C Website) versus the MG007.

 

[ChrisTay]

Some more comparisons between New versus Old. 1st pic has "P" figure at centre and right. 2nd and 3rd pic has "P" figure flanked by the previous gen.

 

[ChrisTay]

We are just looking for that **** bridge!! Thanks for looking.

PS in a real scenario, I do not think they will be walking together this tightly.

 

[cnq]

The "P" figures look to have a bit more detail and darker painting than the original ones to my un-trained eyes but I don't think it's worth the premium price that they're selling for of course imo. Also the gun still looks too big in the P figure. Good luck to those who are collecting this line.

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

Besides the poses I don't really see any differences. Especially when they are all together in a group like that.

 

[Mitch]

The old V new comparisons are a bit of a waste if you don't mind me saying. They prove what? The figures should be better as one was released in 2007 and one just a few days ago. What they show really just supports the fact that they are not as marked a difference as one should expect from the way new figures are painted. They blend quite well for many people so, how can they be P????

I would also like to see some comparisons with some of the recent figures released to address facial painting and other such detail which, is IMO very similar if not better on a £40 figure that, would now be called ''standard''

I am sorry if this gets a few uptight I am sure they will say its ad nauzzeum but, what really is P about these figures except the price??

Oh by the way.... Nice pictures!!
Mitch

 

[Guy]

I can only spot darker camo colours as the most striking difference but I absolutely hate the black lines everywhere !!!
The "P" stands for "P"ractically no difference at all
guy:smile2:

 

[Poppo]

I can only spot darker camo colours as the most striking difference but I absolutely hate the black lines everywhere !!!
The "P" stands for "P"ractically no difference at all
guy:smile2:

Guy, you stole my words! :wink2: It is though appreciable the fact that the colours in modern uniforms are finally not so bright as before, and more realistic( maybe darker colours cost more than bright ones?^&grin)....Also, the sculpts and faces look the same quality as before.

 

[wayne556517]

My personnel choice is the older sets because they don't look so clean,my time in the Army when ever we where on op,s i never look bright and shiny ^&grin we where grotty and dirty natural cam,so price a side and going on pics im in for the older sets.
But the new Bren gunner is a great pose are these sets coming out in the OLD style,these 4 are brilliant poses really really like them.

 

[ChrisTay]

I agree with Wayne. I have picked the figures that I like from the first "P" release. Those that Wayne indicated are also my picks when they are next released.

Do be very careful when handling the new boxes as the new boxes do not have any latch. So, best to rubber band the boxes if a figure is kept inside in storage, much like FL.

For the fans of MG:


- The old and new figures are blending well. So, I think it is more like getting figures that can serve a pose needed to your existing collection in your setup.


- New P figures do have slightly more detailed paint work and refinement. The camo color is deeper and the camo patterns are more intricate, again I do not want to start a debate here. If you find a figure you like, it is your money and whether you want to part with it. I post for the benefit of all and to the best of what I can capture in the pics.

- I do agree of course that price can be a sore point. US45 is what you pay for a new Waffen SS figure today. We cannot compare this to the US32 a MG pop days. However, I will not be doing a comparison against say a recent Waffen SS or Russian figure, no offense meant. I would rather spend my time doing a 38T column with recent and older Waffen SS figures and share them with Joe and gang.

- Sculpts for most of the K&C figures have been improving over the past two years. The guns being slightly sized like these are for me more practical. The earlier years of smaller guns have always ended with bent gun and rifle tips whenever they reach me. I hated that whenever the earlier DD and WS figures arrived like this. So, while we look for accuracy, there is always a practicality standpoint in this hobby.

There will always be a counterpoint and different POV. We will have to accept that and respect that as long, as there are no individual or personal attacks. I see that Mitch has posted his opinions about the Stuka in another forum. So, I can say that over time, I have learned to understand him. Basically, in life, never stop learning from both your supporters and critics.

It is a hobby. If you like it, buy it. If you have bought it, enjoy it. If you do not like it, there is always something else that is your "cup of tea".

Rgds,Chris

 

[jager7080]

I agree with Wayne. I have picked the figures that I like from the first "P" release. Those that Wayne indicated are also my picks when they are next released.

Do be very careful when handling the new boxes as the new boxes do not have any latch. So, best to rubber band the boxes if a figure is kept inside in storage, much like FL.

For the fans of MG:


- The old and new figures are blending well. So, I think it is more like getting figures that can serve a pose needed to your existing collection in your setup.


- New P figures do have slightly more detailed paint work and refinement. The camo color is deeper and the camo patterns are more intricate, again I do not want to start a debate here. If you find a figure you like, it is your money and whether you want to part with it. I post for the benefit of all and to the best of what I can capture in the pics.

- I do agree of course that price can be a sore point. US45 is what you pay for a new Waffen SS figure today. We cannot compare this to the US32 a MG pop days. However, I will not be doing a comparison against say a recent Waffen SS or Russian figure, no offense meant. I would rather spend my time doing a 38T column with recent and older Waffen SS figures and share them with Joe and gang.

- Sculpts for most of the K&C figures have been improving over the past two years. The guns being slightly sized like these are for me more practical. The earlier years of smaller guns have always ended with bent gun and rifle tips whenever they reach me. I hated that whenever the earlier DD and WS figures arrived like this. So, while we look for accuracy, there is always a practicality standpoint in this hobby.

There will always be a counterpoint and different POV. We will have to accept that and respect that as long, as there are no individual or personal attacks. I see that Mitch has posted his opinions about the Stuka in another forum. So, I can say that over time, I have learned to understand him. Basically, in life, never stop learning from both your supporters and critics.

It is a hobby. If you like it, buy it. If you have bought it, enjoy it. If you do not like it, there is always something else that is your "cup of tea".

Rgds,Chris

Chris ,

From the pic's i have seen of the show there are no pic's of the 38t...Also a couple of weeks ago TreeFrog stopped taking pre-order's for it...
I am gonna assume that it is in high demand , so much so that Andy probably didn't have enough to bring them to the Texas Show ?!
I geuss we will have to wait & see what PA44 say's as i know he is also looking to obtain one...
I had pre-ordered mine with TreeFrog when the were 1st listed...Should be available soon...

Joe

 

[Cyber Field Marshall]

This is painful viewing all these great pics of the new Arnhem releases. :redface2: Despite the controversy whether the increased detail merits the price I can't deny the new figures look super and I want them. I wish we could roll back the clock and just have a "normal" release of para's that were still quality and more reasonably priced. I fear that going forward the P moniker might disappear but the higher prices on figures won't. The only pathfinding these guys are doing is venturing into premium price territory.......I really hope the K&C toy soldier collecting community votes with their dollars and doesn't buy these so we can send a powerful message to K&C to get back to more sensibly priced products that represent value to a collector. {sm0}

 

[glossman]

Chris,

I haven't had a chance to see the figures in person yet, so thanks for the helpful picture preview. When placed in a group, the figures blend in nicely. That said, there are discernible differences in paint work between the regular and new MG figures, even on the pictures alone. The five o'clock shadow is a realistic addition, as I doubt the paras had time to shave at Arnhem.

Raymond.

 

[Guy]

Hey I have an idea ,
I will repaint a few old figures in " The new style" and show everybody that with a little skill you can have a "P" figure at no extra cost at all .
Wait for my next Arnhem dio but I will show you the figures as I progress. The first repainted Arnhem figure to be expected within a week or two. I'll start with MG 015
guy

 

[uksubs]

Hey I have an idea ,
I will repaint a few old figures in " The new style" and show everybody that with a little skill you can have a "P" figure at no extra cost at all .
Wait for my next Arnhem dio but I will show you the figures as I progress. The first repainted Arnhem figure to be expected within a week or two. I'll start with MG 015
guy

Look forward to seeing them as I think the new figures look more realistic {bravo}} KC

 

[Mitch]

A five o clock shadow is now added to all figures that King & Country make and that is my point someone should be putting these P figures next to some of the new classic germans and the battle of the bulge figures or, perhaps the new medics as the one holding the plasma bottle look at the facial detail and tell me where these P ranges are better.

Not many figures from 2007 had facial detail like shaving lines etc so, apart from they are in Dennison's anyone with a modicum of sense would expect figures from 2013 to be improved (we should be asking why if they are not) Some are mentioning deeper colours that does not require extra cost as I buy paint and a darker shade does not cost more!!! intricate paintwork is another but, I really see a change to the Dennison which is not really realistic its over painting to make it look more detailed but, I would venture no more work has gone into these than any of the German camo patterns.

For me this range was seen by dealers and K&C as not a great seller and was given the chop most collectors wanted this range to be continued and I was one felt that it was being axed whilst feeling they had not addressed it fully. Inclusions of Frost, Cain and a few other notables now included as well as a few more wounded looking fighting troops. The outcry has allowed K&C to raise prices on an unpopular range (unpopular in terms of bringing in the dollars for K&C not collector unpopular IMO) and force the hand of collectors to either get a range they really like and wanted continued at a stupidly high price or, do without. Some choice!! when there was certainly enough to make these figures at the standard current price and have a winner on your hands.

For me, this was a marketing decision to see if they can get away with charging higher prices for the same level of quality and bodes badly for the future costs of ''normal'' figures. No discernible difference from a majority of collectors on here simply means that the P is not what it says on the box.

This was a market tester on a not good seller to see where they can push their prices and have played on the emotional reaction on here and elsewhere and used Arnhem as that. I would like to have seen the reaction if the Light horse or something of a similar nature had been P'd on I could just imagine that after some of the responses for minor things!!!!

It is a stupid idea and makes no sense and is even stupider considering that they could have actually made these figures fit the P label for the price and made them dramatically different by getting better painters these have been painted (I would bet money) by the same people and they are the same sculpts as normal releases so, what is the reason behind the increase in prices if its not detail and sculpt work???

At the basic level I would have at least got better airborne decals and made the badges on the hats more realistic to at least say well, the detail on these at least has improved since the last lot but, no splodges of silver paint with black lines around and, as Guy has mentioned black lines around everything is not the way to detail a figure. Lenses on Binoculars do not need to be silver splodges but, any number of products on the market that give a clear gloss glass look so, even at base level nothing has changed except the price

I would think having not fiddled around with these would have seen more sales and I would say from discussions I have had proved to be the start of a re-ignition not only into this range but other K&C products as a number of people I have spoken to have been rather lets say, disillusioned with events and are looking at other manufacturers and taking their money elsewhere.

P just means pay more to me for the same stuff that others are getting for a lot less.
Mitch

Chris,

I haven't had a chance to see the figures in person yet, so thanks for the helpful picture preview. When placed in a group, the figures blend in nicely. That said, there are discernible differences in paint work between the regular and new MG figures, even on the pictures alone. The five o'clock shadow is a realistic addition, as I doubt the paras had time to shave at Arnhem.

Raymond.

 

[Poppo]

A five o clock shadow is now added to all figures that King & Country make and that is my point someone should be putting these P figures next to some of the new classic germans and the battle of the bulge figures or, perhaps the new medics as the one holding the plasma bottle look at the facial detail and tell me where these P ranges are better.

Not many figures from 2007 had facial detail like shaving lines etc so, apart from they are in Dennison's anyone with a modicum of sense would expect figures from 2013 to be improved (we should be asking why if they are not) Some are mentioning deeper colours that does not require extra cost as I buy paint and a darker shade does not cost more!!! intricate paintwork is another but, I really see a change to the Dennison which is not really realistic its over painting to make it look more detailed but, I would venture no more work has gone into these than any of the German camo patterns.

For me this range was seen by dealers and K&C as not a great seller and was given the chop most collectors wanted this range to be continued and I was one felt that it was being axed whilst feeling they had not addressed it fully. Inclusions of Frost, Cain and a few other notables now included as well as a few more wounded looking fighting troops. The outcry has allowed K&C to raise prices on an unpopular range (unpopular in terms of bringing in the dollars for K&C not collector unpopular IMO) and force the hand of collectors to either get a range they really like and wanted continued at a stupidly high price or, do without. Some choice!! when there was certainly enough to make these figures at the standard current price and have a winner on your hands.

For me, this was a marketing decision to see if they can get away with charging higher prices for the same level of quality and bodes badly for the future costs of ''normal'' figures. No discernible difference from a majority of collectors on here simply means that the P is not what it says on the box.

This was a market tester on a not good seller to see where they can push their prices and have played on the emotional reaction on here and elsewhere and used Arnhem as that. I would like to have seen the reaction if the Light horse or something of a similar nature had been P'd on I could just imagine that after some of the responses for minor things!!!!

It is a stupid idea and makes no sense and is even stupider considering that they could have actually made these figures fit the P label for the price and made them dramatically different by getting better painters these have been painted (I would bet money) by the same people and they are the same sculpts as normal releases so, what is the reason behind the increase in prices if its not detail and sculpt work???

At the basic level I would have at least got better airborne decals and made the badges on the hats more realistic to at least say well, the detail on these at least has improved since the last lot but, no splodges of silver paint with black lines around and, as Guy has mentioned black lines around everything is not the way to detail a figure. Lenses on Binoculars do not need to be silver splodges but, any number of products on the market that give a clear gloss glass look so, even at base level nothing has changed except the price

I would think having not fiddled around with these would have seen more sales and I would say from discussions I have had proved to be the start of a re-ignition not only into this range but other K&C products as a number of people I have spoken to have been rather lets say, disillusioned with events and are looking at other manufacturers and taking their money elsewhere.

P just means pay more to me for the same stuff that others are getting for a lot less.
Mitch

I agree with you....And I would add that the P marketing thing has been made also on the new indians( why on them?). Has this increasing of prices been made to compensate a decreasing of sellings? Is the end of the monthly dispatches due to an important decrease of the number of new releases? Are these facts connected?

 

[Jack]

Imagine how much these figures will be worth when King and Country go out of business next month{sm4} Every piece of financial advice I have ever received centred on diversification as the key to economic survival. Three ranges at different prices seems to me to be the TS equivalent. If I look at Arnhem or future P figures in ranges that I do collect and think 'too dear', like Goldilocks I move to the next bed and find something both up to my tastes and down to my pockets. No need for Maserati to cease production because most of us buy the hat and then drive a family sedan. A business has made a financial decision based on their knowledge of the market. It happens every day. Even some critics of the entire concept are observing that they will buy some rather than all of the figures given the higher price. Others will buy cheaper figures, perhaps from other manufacturers, some will, leave the hobby, others will join. I have continued to spend the same amount but I accept that this will mean fewer figures or that I need to explore other areas of the hobby. I have started buying some glossies, mixing plastic models with metal figures, looking at other manufacturers, done a bit of overtime, cut down on Kentucy Fried and made it clear to every family member that on birthdays and at Christmas I will accept nothing but TS. No illustrated histories of WW 1 from the bargain bin any more ... just TS.

 

[The Military Workshop]

I agree with you....And I would add that the P marketing thing has been made also on the new indians( why on them?). Has this increasing of prices been made to compensate a decreasing of sellings? Is the end of the monthly dispatches due to an important decrease of the number of new releases? Are these facts connected?

Poppo,
Not sure why you would think there has been a decrease in number of new releases. Far from it.

This month has the most new releases ever by K&C. Although Arnhem has been attracting a lot of comment there were other releases this month. They are :

Ancient Egypt - 6 items (boats).
Greeks - 3 foot figures.
Napoleonic - 7 cavalry.
SOHK - Dragon boat
WW2 - 3 x 38(T) tanks and two US Medic sets
LAH - Hitler car
Custer/Indians - 8 (5 mounted)

I would think it is highly likely K&C has had one of their best ever months in terms of sales.

Regards
Brett

 

[TomB]

Hey I have an idea ,
I will repaint a few old figures in " The new style" and show everybody that with a little skill you can have a "P" figure at no extra cost at all .
Wait for my next Arnhem dio but I will show you the figures as I progress. The first repainted Arnhem figure to be expected within a week or two. I'll start with MG 015
guy

Good idea.....and if I may make a suggestion....while you have the paint brush out....paint a soldier as he really looks like in the field....dirty and scruffy ....( just as well we dont have smellyvision)....bright..shinny soldiers amongst rubble or in the jungle dont really fit the picture....Winter Dioramas are fine....they look the part....bright shinny soldiers are for parade grounds......just a thought ...regards TomB