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Bill,

Good post particularly the last point. I feel that we as history buffs should never accept what appears to be a well established fact without argument as gospel for all time, especially a controversial one, but always seek to examine the bases for our beliefs. It reminds me of people at work who ask why are you changing this contract around? We've done it that way for "x" years. So? You're never to old to change how you do things or, here, what you may believe in. I have no idea if Professor Grimsley is correct but it doesn't hurt to, from time to time, examine the assumptions on which certain facts may be based.
 
My own touch with civil war controversy was during the upset about the Carolina state flag and its removal-modification ,part of the general civil war dustup,,I was selling my items ,ex business, at a florida show,A woman stopped at my table examining a Confederate color sgt mounted ,in
gloss. She seemed agitated and as I was speaking to someone else didnt pay a lot of attention besides thinking she didnt like the figure. Finally realizing she was upset at the Colors he carried and being asked "why do I have that" I replied she shouldnt buy it or do so and destroy it,,she then remarked something negative about my southern sympathies displaying the flag even in scale,,interesting as my civil war ancestor rode with the 11th Illinois cavalry.
My father became a bit upset at times after surviving 48 missions bombing the Reich, hearing about various Euro groups concerning Dresden and other places mentioning the "American air pirates" who flew those missions,seldom a mention of london and earlier places targeted by the other side.
 
That's It !

We Done Talking - Now Its Time For Shooting ! :eek: :eek: :eek:
 

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Points well taken on all sides.

2 other issues, I would still like to debate the greatest commander, I guess we need a new thread for that.

and oh boy, the PC police kill me in regards to the stars and bars, that just goes too far in my opinion. However, because of its misuse by various racist groups, I also unfortunately can understand how some folks get upset. I just feel they should look past that misuse and recognize it as part of history, nothing more, nothing less. I am not one of those "save your confederate money or fly the flag high today" people either, it is simply heritage and history, not hate.

TD
 
tdubel said:
...and oh boy, the PC police kill me in regards to the stars and bars, that just goes too far in my opinion. However, because of its misuse by various racist groups, I also unfortunately can understand how some folks get upset. I just feel they should look past that misuse and recognize it as part of history, nothing more, nothing less. I am not one of those "save your confederate money or fly the flag high today" people either, it is simply heritage and history, not hate.

TD
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I hear that. And in that same vein, the "Washington Redskins" trademark and logo is NOT insulting to Native Americans; just ask them.;)
 
More on the Stars and Bars, here's an interesting article that was in the New York Times recently that I'm sure will draw some discussion :D
 
Well - that saves me some money that I would have spent on McPherson's Books ! ;)

Wonder if he had those opinions before he went to teach at Princeton and become an agent of PC revisionist history. :rolleyes:
 
I am not sure why people in the United States honor the Confederate Battle Flag. To me it represents a flag and a cause that wished to destroy the United States of America. If the side that battled under that flag had won, the United States as we know would not be as it is today. I understand that people had family that faught for that flag, but it still represents the destruction of the United States. People can attach new symbolism and meaning to it today, but we can not forget what it originally meant.
 
Deitz said:
I am not sure why people in the United States honor the Confederate Battle Flag. To me it represents a flag and a cause that wished to destroy the United States of America. If the side that battled under that flag had won, the United States as we know would not be as it is today. I understand that people had family that faught for that flag, but it still represents the destruction of the United States. People can attach new symbolism and meaning to it today, but we can not forget what it originally meant.
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Well I think the best answer I can give you is wall a mile in my shoes mate.;):D Not to put to fine a point on it but it does not and never did represent the destruction of the United States, rather the recognition of a transfer (albeit temporary) of some the then current United States to the Confederate States. Besides, whether or not you appreciate the cause, you certainly cannot help but honor the valor.
 
jazzeum said:
I've usually found that when we uncritically accept what we believe to be fact, there's more lurking below the surface. The accepted causef the Civil War -- slavery --may be one such story and Sherman's march may be another. There may be something to the OSU story or not. However, I'm intrigued now and will want to look into it. There is a relatively new book out there called "Southern Storm" by Noah Andre Trudeau, who is a well respected Civil War author, that may be a good starting point. Now, if I canonly find the time :)
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Regarding this book, there is a 70 minute long video of a presentation at the Pritzker Military Library by Trudeau discussing his book, including a Q&A.

Trudeau Presentation at Pritzker Military Library

Worth a look for sure for anyone interested in the topic. Be sure to keep watching with about 20 minutes left when it seems like it's over, because they continue for the webcast - the last 10-20 minutes is when some of the more interesting questions are asked.
 
Deitz said:
I am not sure why people in the United States honor the Confederate Battle Flag. To me it represents a flag and a cause that wished to destroy the United States of America. If the side that battled under that flag had won, the United States as we know would not be as it is today. I understand that people had family that faught for that flag, but it still represents the destruction of the United States. People can attach new symbolism and meaning to it today, but we can not forget what it originally meant.
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Well hey while were at it I guess we should apologise to the British. Our flag represents the loss of their premier 18th century colonies. Maybe we oughta get a new flag.
 
Capitolron said:
LOL - Ohio State is now rewriting history - priceless. :rolleyes:

If winning the War wasn't enough - now we are going to lie our way out of War Crimes - please :rolleyes:
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Well said Ron. Certainly an insightful (inciting?) analysis of the piece. ;)
 
jazzeum said:
More on the Stars and Bars, here's an interesting article that was in the New York Times recently that I'm sure will draw some discussion :D
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Wow, that is nuts. I guess we better ban Mort Kunstler, Don Troiani, King & Country and everywhere else the evils Bars are emblazoned.

And no Deitz, I don't think the Stars and Bars represents the destruction of the United States, do you actually believe that???

TD
 
The NY Times article was interesting but seemed kind of pointless and pure coincidence that the 2 pages ended up back to back.
 
No apologies ! I stand on the fact that UNION ARMY launched an Unconditional War against Civilian Populations of the South in the Civil War and then proceeded to drive the knife deeper in the Reconstruction Policies and Abuses.

All this coming from a Republican ! :eek:
 
Capitolron said:
No apologies ! I stand on the fact that UNION ARMY launched an Unconditional War against Civilian Populations of the South in the Civil War and then proceeded to drive the knife deeper in the Reconstruction Policies and Abuses.

All this coming from a Republican ! :eek:
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Ron, atleast as Southerners we can hold our heads high that when General Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia crossed into the North that they conducted themselves as proper Southern gentlemen.
 
Capitolron said:
Well - that saves me some money that I would have spent on McPherson's Books ! ;)

Wonder if he had those opinions before he went to teach at Princeton and become an agent of PC revisionist history. :rolleyes:
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I actually think the book is pretty good but I can't say there is any new ground broken there.
 
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