WWI German Band in Palestine (2 Viewers)

PolarBear said:
For more detailed information on the German Army in Palestine during WWI click on the following headings at this website:


http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/


Thank you very much try to find something in my libary and will put it up here as well. As for my planed conversion project I will mostly rely on Elastolin bandsmen. I also got two instruments made up as 3D prints allready. The helmet will be the problem taht needs to be solved.
Best regards
Wolfgang
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Although I am enjoying this thread very much, it really should not be in the Hiriart section Maybe the "How-To" section or some other place would be more appropriate.
 
Here are a few pictures from my reference books. All being more or less contemperary sources apart from the cigarette album which was published in the 1930ies.
Try to put up a photo of the Elastolin spare parts I will use for the conversion project later.
regards
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Now these are the musical instruments I am going to use on that project. I will hae to add minor changes and than cast them one be one in order to attach them to the master body of an marching bandsman.
rgds
Wolfgang
 

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I begun working on the master bandsman. It will need a bit grinding and polishing yet. Once that is done I will cast a copy and continue work with the casting. I started two marching masters, the second one with open collar and tie. Both still in their original boots. One will receive puttees a new collar and new pockets - and most difficult - a new head. Sculpting a tropical helmet must be one of the most difficult tasks one can do in sculpting. Hope to find something in the sparebox that is useable to start converting.
I put a K&C marching figure next to it for size/scale comparision. Second picture is a 3D model of a horn that was printed on a 3D printer from a digital file. That is a nice way to get extra equipment done but if you can not do the programming bit yourself - very expensive to have somebody do it for you. It came out real nice but thuis master nis very fragile and I hope I will get it casted. Still need one or two instruments to complete what the band will need but my english is not good enough to let you know wich ones - for the german speaking majority here its a "Oboe" "Becken" and perhaps a Saxophone (at least this one makes sence in english - I guess??)

Regards
Wolfgang
 

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Loving this - maybe one of the mods can move it to the appropriate place - I don't care - but others may?????? johnnybach

Don't worry where - I'll find it - love your attitude Wolfgang......jb Lets do it!
 
ucla1967 said:
Wolfgang ditto!
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Thank you both very much. Just made the rubber molds of both bandsmen. They will have fully cured by tomorrow. Found a tropical helmet in the spares-box and I will start on it tomorrow as well. Once I casted the bandsmen I will get on with it refineing the details for the tropical uniform. Did some reading in the meantime in my 3 volume "Bible" on german uniforms by the outbreak of the "Great War". I have not found the reference to the right colours of the band insigna yet. Once I found it I will post the colour plate here as well - there are more than 1000 in all the three volumes - fantastic books. One thing is for certain if the figures of the bandsmen turn out allright and if I get the instruments casted as well it will just be a swopping of heads job to create lots of interesting bands. One in my mind will be one of the "Stahlhelmbund" an organisation of ex-servicemen that was founded in the 1920 and remained independent until 1934. YES I like unusual subjects.
regards
Wolfgang
 
Wolfgang,

Just admiring those books that I imagine are not easy to come by these days.

I note your figure still has the bayonet attached. In Randy's original image that several bandsman are also wearing bayonets with bayonet knots visible. Anyone know what colour the knot is- I believe they signified the arm of service by colour and these look to be light coloured.

Looking forward to seeing your figures progress.

Scott
 
Hazebrouck said:
Wolfgang,

Just admiring those books that I imagine are not easy to come by these days.

I note your figure still has the bayonet attached. In Randy's original image that several bandsman are also wearing bayonets with bayonet knots visible. Anyone know what colour the knot is- I believe they signified the arm of service by colour and these look to be light coloured.

Looking forward to seeing your figures progress.

Scott
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Hi Scott,
yes the books are true treasures to me and hard to find these days. You are right about the bayonet knots. You can see some of those possible variations from the attached picture. The problem is what unit to refer to for the service in palestine.
Uniform describtion is made either for service in the colonies or at home in Germany.
Will have to look into it more closer. In any way a bayonet will have to be attached to the master bandman's figure.
Thank you and regards
Wolfgang

PS
Scanning books is a bit difficult that is why some scans apear incomplete - sorry about that
 

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I'm not sure if this helps or hinders - but like the picture anway - so throw it into the hat as a potential "help".

As the caption suggests - these are some uniforms worn by the German Colonial Force in South-West Africa. Of interest is the second in from the right who is a musician. Note the colours on the bayonet sword knot. If in doubt - could always use white? (easy to overpaint later - if you find out what colours really are).

Best of luck Wolfgang - haven't been thrown out of here yet! johnnybach

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johnnybach said:
I'm not sure if this helps or hinders - but like the picture anway - so throw it into the hat as a potential "help".

As the caption suggests - these are some uniforms worn by the German Colonial Force in South-West Africa. Of interest is the second in from the right who is a musician. Note the colours on the bayonet sword knot. If in doubt - could always use white? (easy to overpaint later - if you find out what colours really are).

Best of luck Wolfgang - haven't been thrown out of here yet! johnnybach
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Thank you very much. Yes the light blue has been the colour of the detachment in South Africa.
The shown figure of the hornist was a function within the unit, not necessarily a bandsman.
To what I found so far red seems to be the most likely colour for the bandsmen in Palaistine.

I have casted the master figure tonight. I will start working on it soon. I also started for the molds for the bases. Unlike metal casting it is difficult to cast a resin figure attached to a base.
I will put up pictures of the casted master figures tomorrow.

I agree with you that it seems a good idea to move this thread to another suitable place here at the forum.
Thank you
regards
Wolfgang
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Found this rather interesting piece - which might help throw some light on what units were in Palestine during WW1 - and might also help identify what band we are looking at. The article suggests several units - including Pioneers being first in to help build roads. To whet the appetite further, there are a few pics - including this one below - which shows a band playing.

Interesting - so do have a quick read............johnnybach

http://jerusalem-history.blogspot.com/2009/07/german-army-in-palestine-in-ww-1.html


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johnnybach said:
Found this rather interesting piece - which might help throw some light on what units were in Palestine during WW1 - and might also help identify what band we are looking at. The article suggests several units - including Pioneers being first in to help build roads. To whet the appetite further, there are a few pics - including this one below - which shows a band playing.

Interesting - so do have a quick read............johnnybach

Hallo Johnnybach,
what a fantastic reference. Most interesting reading indeed! Now it's up to decide which unit to represent. Most likely the "Schwalbennester" e.g. the bandsmen insigna on both upper arms where the same used as the ones used along with the non-tropical - regular - uniform.
Great - Thank you very much
Best regards
Wolfgang
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I thought the Trodeln colours marked the company and battalion. Whether at home or oversees that wouldn't change.
 

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I was hoping that you might come in with a bit of expertise on these Martin - as I know that you're rather keen on this subject area.

So does that mean that you just choose a battalion/company - and then go for it (unless someone is striving for absolute accuracy)?
 
I have the Pietsch books, too, as well as the cigarette cards, I can check to see if there's anything there, too.

Prosit!
Brad
 
johnnybach said:
I was hoping that you might come in with a bit of expertise on these Martin - as I know that you're rather keen on this subject area.

So does that mean that you just choose a battalion/company - and then go for it (unless someone is striving for absolute accuracy)?
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That's how I'd always read it, but I'm ready to be corrected!^&grin Jager regiments used trodeln.

Martin
 
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