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[Hans]

I think I need this new AZW gun from CS! I only have two wonderful guns from Trophy, painted in matte by special order from me. This british gun is an intelligent start on a new Zulu front. (Why didn't Britains produced a gun? Or Frontline?) The first (new) British Gun will be a winner, I am shure.

 

[1879fanatic]

During the Zulu War RA officers seem to have worn the blue patrol jacket without exceptions. Their trousers were blue with a 2 inch scarlet stripe as pictured in the photograph. Like the infantry the RA rankers favoured the undress frock: this was dark blue it's collar was red with yellow worsted piping around the bottom edge with the shoulder straps being piped yellow all round, the cuffs bore a yellow trefoil. Their trousers were dark blue with a wide scarlet stripe wearing leggings and black boots and would have been the uniforms worn at Isandlwana on the 22nd of January 1879. The trousers and and frocks without the striping and boots appearing on your artilley men are similar to the uniforms worn by the Mounted Infantry. As when 5/N Battery of the Royal Artillery joined Chelmsford I've yet to find the answer as to the shako plates and the Foreign Service Helmet it's very possible on the arrival the plate was being worn and the Helmet the color of white which would have been dyed and the plate removed. The point Brian that was made is that they were not members of the 24th Regiment of Foot and that at Isandlwana they would have been wearing the uniforms provided in the pictures posted. That be said I'll continue to search for an answer to your question on their joining Chelmsford. Speaking of IAN KNIGHT I recommend that if you haven't a copy of OSPREY Elite Series British Forces in Zululand 1879 which he describes the uniforms worn on pages 31 and 32 and his OSPREY Campaign Series Zulu 1879 on page 19 the uniform of the ranker.....The Lt.

Another contemporary sketch by the ILN in-country with the Central Column.
Notice the RA mounted have the same colour trousers as tunics. A nice sketch also of a Lancer alongside performing shuttleduty!
Mike

 

[PolarBear]

Mike

Where did you find this most interesting drawing and was it done around the time of the AZW?

Randy

 

[1879fanatic]

Mike

Where did you find this most interesting drawing and was it done around the time of the AZW?

Randy

I forget the sketchers name but it is of Chelmsford's return to Natal after Ulundi on the 9th or 10th July. The artist would have been on the edge of the road sketching, next to the ladies and natives.
On that note, I think a thread devoted to the Illustrated London News is soon to be in order, savvy?
Mike

 

[PolarBear]

I forget the sketchers name but it is of Chelmsford's return to Natal after Ulundi on the 9th or 10th July. The artist would have been on the edge of the road sketching, next to the ladies and natives.
On that note, I think a thread devoted to the Illustrated London News is soon to be in order, savvy?
Mike

Yes. I just wish more of it were online.

Randy

 

[plasmapulse]

I just discovered all this. Mmm. Another one at the matte AZW scene. Accuracy issues aside, I really think they look great. A bit Conte-ish. The zulus look really african. Lets see how this line develops.

 

[General Custer]

A few years before W.BRITAIN made a gatling of this army, but glossy.

I'll like to see a matte with crew , and some cavalrymen too! Infantrymen, we have sufficiently now, no?

 

[1879fanatic]

Ahh, but where did this unit transfer from and when did it join Chelmsford command? In this question you will find the answer of the trousers worn The lack of staining on the helmets and pith helmet badges remaining is also a hint. A free Mbonambi native wife to whomever answers correctly

regards,

Brian

Brian,
We are patiently awaiting your answer to where the RA battery transfered from, and thereby the answer also to the trouser color and other haberdashery hints
The 36 year old new wife goes to...?
Mike

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Brian,
We are patiently awaiting your answer to where the RA battery transfered from, and thereby the answer also to the trouser color and other haberdashery hints
The 36 year old new wife goes to...?
Mike

Why you of course are the winner of the Mbonambi wife!

However you should know she:

Comes from two previous marriages and has 12 offspring. In addition, as per tribal custom, the mother and all associated aunts ( 16 in this case ) shall also accompany the bride with assorted offspring. On the upside however, she does come with a dowry of 5 goats, 20 chickens and two snakes.

So a hearty congratulations and enjoy your new life. You shall never want for un-intelligable conversation again!

 

[1879fanatic]

Why you of course are the winner of the Mbonambi wife!

However you should know she:

Comes from two previous marriages and has 12 offspring. In addition, as per tribal custom, the mother and all associated aunts ( 16 in this case ) shall also accompany the bride with assorted offspring. On the upside however, she does come with a dowry of 5 goats, 20 chickens and two snakes.

So a hearty congratulations and enjoy your new life. You shall never want for un-intelligable conversation again!

Brian,
Sorry, I can not accept, as I would be engaging in polygamy, plus I already have the kids, chickens, in-laws. Only missing the goats No room
Mike

 

[petebuster1]

sorry not impressed with these figures and blue trousers ?

 

[Olly Read]

sorry not impressed with these figures and blue trousers ?

Me neither mate - then again I don't like the Britains ones! Why can't K&C make these instead of sailors and Injuns? Sorry to be fair to Britains I do like the Zulus but not so keen on the Brits that go with it. I know each to his own and all that but I can't help think K&C would make some top-hole Zulu war stuff and then we would all be happy - would'nt we, maybe, errrr no probably not?

 

[The Lt.]

Me neither mate - then again I don't like the Britains ones! Why can't K&C make these instead of sailors and Injuns? Sorry to be fair to Britains I do like the Zulus but not so keen on the Brits that go with it. I know each to his own and all that but I can't help think K&C would make some top-hole Zulu war stuff and then we would all be happy - would'nt we, maybe, errrr no probably not?

Both you and petebuster1 are titled to your opinions and I respect you for them. As commented earlier the poses and the sculpting of the CS figures are very well done although I 've questioned the uniforms but for those collecting the period they fit in quite well. As for your comments on the Britain figures comparing with what KC would provide your way off base. If Andy decided to venture into the series which he's stated has been over done if my memory serves me right. He'd find it very difficult to outshine the current WBritain series and it my opinion gentelmen. So lets not have my comments start a war of wits as to who is right or wrong. no one will change anyones mind......The Lt.

 

[Olly Read]

Both you and petebuster1 are titled to your opinions and I respect you for them. As commented earlier the poses and the sculpting of the CS figures are very well done although I 've questioned the uniforms but for those collecting the period they fit in quite well. As for your comments on the Britain figures comparing with what KC would provide your way off base. If Andy decided to venture into the series which he's stated has been over done if my memory serves me right. He'd find it very difficult to outshine the current WBritain series and it my opinion gentelmen. So lets not have my comments start a war of wits as to who is right or wrong. no one will change anyones mind......The Lt.

No you're right each to his own and respect to all men is my motto but that does sound like a challenge to Andy that he could not make stuff as good as Britains?!

 

[Rob]

As a complete novice to the Zulu War (although it was the first war film i ever saw and still remains one of my favourites)can someone tell me why there are both Brown or Sand coloured Helmets and Also the more recognizable White version.And also were they both worn at Rorkes Drift etc?.

Rob

 

[thebritfarmer]

As a complete novice to the Zulu War (although it was the first war film i ever saw and still remains one of my favourites)can someone tell me why there are both Brown or Sand coloured Helmets and Also the more recognizable White version.And also were they both worn at Rorkes Drift etc?.

Rob

As far as I am aware Rob the white versions were stained with tea which made them brown. That's all I know though really, I am sure The LT & others will chime in and give the answer if both were worn at Isandlwana & The Drift. That's the thing about movies, Zulu has them all in white helmets so when the figures (by Britains) come out it throws us novices off as that is all we know. I think Little Legion has them in white helmets, so does Trophy, and I believe the older Britains had both types.

 

[Rob]

As far as I am aware Rob the white versions were stained with tea which made them brown. That's all I know though really, I am sure The LT & others will chime in and give the answer if both were worn at Isandlwana & The Drift. That's the thing about movies, Zulu has them all in white helmets so when the figures (by Britains) come out it throws us novices off as that is all we know. I think Little Legion has them in white helmets, so does Trophy, and I believe the older Britains had both types.

Absolutely mate!.It is confusing for us novices,i have some LL and Trophy also some Ani but i think they are all in white.

Rob

 

[1879fanatic]

Absolutely mate!.It is confusing for us novices,i have some LL and Trophy also some Ani but i think they are all in white.

Rob

Rob,
No confusion if you remember this. It's all one in the same issued Foreign Service Helmet. Issued bright white as it came from the cork & linen factory.
Once the Queen's men arrived in-country, they would simply de-ornate the helmet (in most cases, not 60th Rifles, 99th Duke of Edinburgh's) of Top spike and shako plate. Then the helmets would simply be dyed with tea, coffee, bark, manure or mud to make them less conspicuos.
The difference you see in brown to lt tan is in the stain the individual used. Anything goes while on FS, even beards
Mike

 

[Rob]

Rob,
No confusion if you remember this. It's all one in the same issued Foreign Service Helmet. Issued bright white as it came from the cork & linen factory.
Once the Queen's men arrived in-country, they would simply de-ornate the helmet (in most cases, not 60th Rifles, 99th Duke of Edinburgh's) of Top spike and shako plate. Then the helmets would simply be dyed with tea, coffee, bark, manure or mud to make them less conspicuos.
The difference you see in brown to lt tan is in the stain the individual used. Anything goes while on FS, even beards
Mike

Thank you Mike thats very helpful indeed and much appreciated.I knew a Zulu War expert would be able to help me out here!.

Thanks again

Rob

 

[The Lt.]

Rob this should put the frosting on the cake....The Lt.