War Park New Release in August - "Green Devils" German Fallschirmjäger (1 Viewer)

[OzDigger]

If you are talking about the K&C Aussie Vietnam soldiers?

If you ever served, you would know that Australian soldiers NEVER patrolled with sleeves rolled up, it is an SOP.

I served 8 years, my Dad 16 years 3 x tours of Vietnam and 1 of Borneo in the SASR and never ever patrolled with sleeves up NEVER.

It is cam and concealment, you do not go waltzing around with bare white arms showing, plus once you were in contact doing fire and movement sleeves up would have ripped your arms to pieces so yes K&C did get it wrong I don't care what anyone says, I have been there and trained that for years.

If your dribbling about something else, I don't really care.

Yeah Nah, that may be your and your Fathers experience Wayne.


However there's plenty of photographic evidence that Australian soldiers serving in Vietnam sometimes did roll their sleeves up, on Patrol or Not, so K & C/Andy was correct.


The following Australian War Memorial link provides some of the numerous examples: https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/event/vietnam

 

[wayne556517]

Yeah Nah, that may be your and your Fathers experience Wayne.


However there's plenty of photographic evidence that Australian soldiers serving in Vietnam sometimes did roll their sleeves up, on Patrol or Not, so K & C/Andy was correct.


The following Australian War Memorial link provides some of the numerous examples: https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/event/vietnam

Ok mate my apologies, you and how many years service??

and Google are correct my dad after serving and training troops to go to Vietnam is wrong the toy soldier world is the role model not people who actually served.

A few pictures from the war memorial against people who actually served you make me laugh matey.

There will be no photos of soldiers actually on patrol as it was fully tactical, after ops sleeves up yes but on patrol NO.

 

[OzDigger]

Ok mate my apologies, you and how many years service??

and Google are correct my dad after serving and training troops to go to Vietnam is wrong the toy soldier world is the role model not people who actually served.

A few pictures from the war memorial against people who actually served you make me laugh matey.

There will be no photos of soldiers actually on patrol as it was fully tactical, after ops sleeves up yes but on patrol NO.

Ha Ha, nice try champ.

Brace yourself for one of the Numerous videos on the internet showing Aussies in Vietnam on Patrol etc with Rolled up Sleeves:

 

[Panzer ace]

I talked to my neighbor who did 3 combat tours in Iraq about the scarf issue.

He said that his squad once asked for scarves due to the heat and sunburn.

Their request was denied.

On their next patrol he said that a Sargent found an abandoned house with some curtains that they tore apart and used as scarves. Just about everyone used the curtains in some form our another to deflect heat.

I asked if he had any pictures of those scarves and he laughed and told me that everyone always wants “action” pictures of his service.

He finished by saying that the vast majority of things that happen during war are not documented via film or pictures.

 

[Mastercom10]

Yeah, you'd think that would be enough, but as usual, nits are going to pick.

The slightest things people focus on boggles my mind.

Having a critical mind on a discussion forum is not a bad thing, I would even say that it is essential to make the debat interesting
and change the monotony of only compliments.
And this can also allow brands to improve their production.
Concerning these eight FJs, the same blue scarf with white dots neatly around the neck is not at all realistic for a unit in war fight.
At most a possible "dress code" in force during the first few days of arrival in Normandy ?.
But after, I think the german soldiers were more concerned with survival on this bloody battlefield than with looking good.
Rather than assumptions, I think that wartime footage are the best way to see the reality of things : I 've attached some screen shots from german Wochenschauen about the Normandy battle.
And yes, on the battlefield some ( and not all ) german FJs had a scarf around the neck, but not the same model and not tied neatly as WP figures ( it was not a fashion show !).

 

[Panzer ace]

I hope these sellout for WP and their dealers.

 

[Warrior]

Having a critical mind on a discussion forum is not a bad thing, I would even say that it is essential to make the debat interesting
and change the monotony of only compliments.
And this can also allow brands to improve their production.

Pointing out an error/issue here or there is one thing, to continually and constantly find issues with item after item after item after item after item after item after item after item is a whole other kettle of fish, it gets tiresome and predictable after awhile.

Monotony is a two way street, whether it be compliments or criticisms.

I fail to see how complaining will lead to companies improving production; what's done is done, these figures are already on the way to collectors and dealers.

If an issue was pointed out on masters, perhaps a change could be made, but that ship has sailed on these figures.

As Jason has pointed out, troops do some odd things in the field, not everything is by the book and several wartime photos do not change that, troops foraged for what they needed and got creative when need be.

My advice as another forum member has pointed out is just be happy someone is doing Normandy FJ figures, I'm sure Greg Guy is over the moon about these, unless he's got a scarf phobia.

I enjoy a good scarf and rolled up sleeves debate as much as the next guy, so do carry on.

 

[Sahara]

I have been finding polka dots everywhere I look from the RAF, Luftwaffe and back to FJs. I have read that the blue polka dots was the prefered choice by FJs for traditional purposes. I have read that it was a choice of style etc.... needless to say I have seen enough polka dots to say Im good with it.

 

[Barkmann]

The blue dotted scarf, remember reading in a book about German Paras, small group fron the Fallschirmjager 5.Rgt wore them in North Africa, Italy and beyond. It was surmised they were either stolen from a house they raided, possibly blue polka dot cloth which they ripped up and made into scarfs or they were something they wore as unit unity, gift from a relative mother/wife/girlfriend for the group. Good for keeping the neck dry and stopping the uniform rubbing again the neck, while in less warm climates or at night they would keep you warm.

Do not collect WP figures myself, have 4 of their tanks and their accessories are good. Can see both sides of the argument, for me there there is too much showing, would have looked better if it was a little more subtle and not like they are wearing a 'fashion cavat' as if they were at a wedding.

 

[Barkmann]

I talked to my neighbor who did 3 combat tours in Iraq about the scarf issue.

He said that his squad once asked for scarves due to the heat and sunburn.

Their request was denied.

On their next patrol he said that a Sargent found an abandoned house with some curtains that they tore apart and used as scarves. Just about everyone used the curtains in some form our another to deflect heat.

I asked if he had any pictures of those scarves and he laughed and told me that everyone always wants “action” pictures of his service.

He finished by saying that the vast majority of things that happen during war are not documented via film or pictures.

Agree, i had a Nottingham Forest football shirt under my uniform during the Gulf War [first one not the replay]. While in the Falklands we tucked semi-dry socks under jackets and over the jumper, held in place by webbing straps, to try to dry them out. Most of us also had non-reg boots, as they were better.

The SAS in Afganistan and Iraq when going on house/compound raids used to wear US flag patches and when the US special forces asked them why? They used to reply "well someone needs to get the blame". This is backed up by a number of EX-US SF in books and interviews.

 

[Mastercom10]

I have been finding polka dots everywhere I look from the RAF, Luftwaffe and back to FJs. I have read that the blue polka dots was the prefered choice by FJs for traditional purposes. I have read that it was a choice of style etc.... needless to say I have seen enough polka dots to say Im good with it.View attachment 354942View attachment 354943View attachment 354944View attachment 354945View attachment 354946View attachment 354947View attachment 354948View attachment 354949

I'm not questioning the existence of these polka dots scarves at all.
I'm just pointing out that it would have been more realistic to have some of these eight FJs without this detail and with a more battlefield look.

 

[Mastercom10]

Pointing out an error/issue here or there is one thing, to continually and constantly find issues with item after item after item after item after item after item after item after item is a whole other kettle of fish, it gets tiresome and predictable after awhile.

Monotony is a two way street, whether it be compliments or criticisms.

I fail to see how complaining will lead to companies improving production; what's done is done, these figures are already on the way to collectors and dealers.

If an issue was pointed out on masters, perhaps a change could be made, but that ship has sailed on these figures.

As Jason has pointed out, troops do some odd things in the field, not everything is by the book and several wartime photos do not change that, troops foraged for what they needed and got creative when need be.

My advice as another forum member has pointed out is just be happy someone is doing Normandy FJ figures, I'm sure Greg Guy is over the moon about these, unless he's got a scarf phobia.

I enjoy a good scarf and rolled up sleeves debate as much as the next guy, so do carry on.

Yes, I understand your arguments very well.
I've actually noticed that the majority of collectors are happy with what manufacturers produce, even if there are errors or defects.
So, some people need to balance the debate a little with some criticism ((always genuine and well-founded, by the way).
I remain convinced that this can encourage manufacturers to improve their future production.
That said, all this doesn't stop me from having fun and continuing to buy figurines for my collection.

 

[Warrior]

Yes, I understand your arguments very well.
I've actually noticed that the majority of collectors are happy with what manufacturers produce, even if there are errors or defects.
So, some people need to balance the debate a little with some criticism ((always genuine and well-founded, by the way).
I remain convinced that this can encourage manufacturers to improve their future production.
That said, all this doesn't stop me from having fun and continuing to buy figurines for my collection.

There are all different kinds of toy soldier collectors; those who just love the quality and appearance and are happy to be able to be in the hobby, those who have a **** ton of knowledge about uniforms, weapons, AFV's, etc etc etc and notice "issues" with items when most people don't, those who are modelers/paint their own figures and notice issues with castings and sculpts.

As with everything in life, there needs to be a happy medium, my attitude is while I'm still upright, I want to enjoy the hobby for as long as possible and I try not to focus on the dot, I take a few steps back and look at the overall picture is all.

Just enjoy the hobby would be my best advice.