US/Israel Launches Op Epic Fury Against Iran (1 Viewer)

[jazzeum]

Do some research on the author and I use that word loosely. The NYT should never have printed this garbage. I hope they are sued out of existence they deserve it. My son as I have said is in this field and he is as down the middle as they come. He said that this is the literal talk of the town with insiders renaming the NYT to the "Hamas Enquirer' How anyone with any rational bone in their body can believe Hamas propaganda is beyond me. Just to be clear my son works for NBC so far from a conservative network.

Israel suing the NYT is a meaningless empty gesture. A person can be defamed, not a country.

Five or ten years ago I would have doubted the veracity of the story. Not today, considering how the Israelis treat Palestinians, particularly in the West Bank where the military literally gets away with murder. It’s a country run by an extreme right wing that wishes to eliminate the Palestinians.

 

[BHogan]

Israel suing the NYT is a meaningless empty gesture. A person can be defamed, not a country.

Five or ten years ago I would have doubted the veracity of the story. Not today, considering how the Israelis treat Palestinians, particularly in the West Bank where the military literally gets away with murder. It’s a country run by an extreme right wing that wishes to eliminate the Palestinians.

I couldn't agree more. It's easy for an army to lose it's moral compass. However, it will be judged for all eternity against that moral compass.

Brendan

 

[Panzer ace]

Really, really, really tired of reading headlines that say Israel is violating the supposed cease fire with Lebanon.

Every single Israeli strike is a direct response to missile fire from Hezbollah rockets.

 

[tdubel]

I couldn't agree more. It's easy for an army to lose it's moral compass. However, it will be judged for all eternity against that moral compass.

Brendan

Did you at all research who wrote this? I don't have a problem calling out moral wrongs, I do have a problem with an obvious Hamas Hit Job. Also, when is the last time you saw the Famed New York Times with protestors in the streets against them from people of all ethnicities and political backgrounds come together on something?

Typical crap "moral" post. I don't think the Israeli Army has lost any moral compass. What I do think is they are constantly under siege by BAD people. Where is the moral outrage on that? It always seems to disappear and vanish rather quickly.

 

[tdubel]

Israel suing the NYT is a meaningless empty gesture. A person can be defamed, not a country.

Five or ten years ago I would have doubted the veracity of the story. Not today, considering how the Israelis treat Palestinians, particularly in the West Bank where the military literally gets away with murder. It’s a country run by an extreme right wing that wishes to eliminate the Palestinians.

Brad
You and I have had many talks on this subject, I am the first one to agree on many issues I don't think are right. That said, this one is so bad in its authenticity that it is laughable. So no matter how much you disagree or dislike current Israeli leadership, this one jumps the shark. Everything about it is nearly as bad as Russia gate with regards to sources, inputs and the who behind it.

I may not always like what the New York Times editorial board opines on, but I do think they try on their fact reporting to get it right, they are not always, but I think there is a lot of integrity still at that paper. This story hidden as an "oped" is just wrong. As I posted before, it is being universally condemned and ignored by a lot of journalists across the board.

Hamas has everything to lose if the current Iranian leadership goes away, they are nothing without the Ayatollahs. This is a timed hit piece to once again assault the good guys in the equation. There is NO good in Hamas, not in the past, not now and not ever. They are designated terrorists for a reason. The atrocities they have committed on Israeli and US and other country's Hostages is well documented over time and knows NO bounds, I am sure you have read about it. Furthermore, they have used innocent Palestinians as human shields, punching bags, etc etc etc forever.

The current Israeli government wishes to eliminate the Palestinians because they have been attacked since before I was born. They have tried every peace option that exists for how long? The last decade the Palestinians have been controlled as well as welcomed Hamas. What is Hamas main objective? The destruction of Israel and its allies. What do you want the Israelis to do? I don't think they should be universally killing civilian Palestinians, but are they all innocent? The civilian shields? The civilian suicide bombers?

I don't pretend to know the answer, but as I have posted many times, I am going to support Israel before any others in that region and all you have to do is look at history as an American to justify that viewpoint.

Tom

 

[BHogan]

Did you at all research who wrote this? I don't have a problem calling out moral wrongs, I do have a problem with an obvious Hamas Hit Job. Also, when is the last time you saw the Famed New York Times with protestors in the streets against them from people of all ethnicities and political backgrounds come together on something?

Typical crap "moral" post. I don't think the Israeli Army has lost any moral compass. What I do think is they are constantly under siege by BAD people. Where is the moral outrage on that? It always seems to disappear and vanish rather quickly.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this. The author seems fairly accomplished with a lengthy career in journalism and several awards. What protests are you referring to? The outrage seems to come from fairly predictable groups that will always back Israel right or wrong.

As for the IDF, their conduct has turned Israel into a pariah state with ICC arrest warrants for the PM and Defence Minister. While Israel certainly has the right to defend itself, that doesn't mean "shoot 'em all, let God sort 'em out." I'm never going to sanction the unbridled application of violence. If you descend to the moral depravity of your enemy, what's the point of fighting in the first place?

 

[tdubel]

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this. The author seems fairly accomplished with a lengthy career in journalism and several awards. What protests are you referring to? The outrage seems to come from fairly predictable groups that will always back Israel right or wrong.

As for the IDF, their conduct has turned Israel into a pariah state with ICC arrest warrants for the PM and Defence Minister. While Israel certainly has the right to defend itself, that doesn't mean "shoot 'em all, let God sort 'em out." I'm never going to sanction the unbridled application of violence. If you descend to the moral depravity of your enemy, what's the point of fighting in the first place?

Nope we will not agree.

ICC - wow. The most respected international body ever. Corrupt, yes, why would anyone respect that organization?

Your fairly accomplished author is the ultimate horse crap part of your post. It is very hard to respond to that b/c it is a blatant falsehood. He is a very controversial author who has been wrung out to dry numerous times in the past for falsehoods as well as he has been accused of being anti West (Democratic) and a shill for terror, so yeah , pretty accomplished.

Newsflash - Israel is not the bad guys here. Predictable outrage, are you targeting Jews with that comment? Because I only ask that in the fact that most people regardless of their ethnicity support Israel over Terrorists like Hamas. The only predictable outrage is usually the US Press and IMO, it comes down to their hatred for Donald Trump. SO as long as Trump supports Israel, here we go.

I love your comment unbridles application of violence, no that dog doesn't hunt with me. If you want to win a war against terror, then take it out, once and for all. I would rather be on the end of let God sort it out than be another statistic from a lunatic terrorist group. We have put up with this collective terror crap for way too long - PLO anyone? If you need to look it up, google is your friend.

Tell you what, here is the most simple answer to solve the Middle East - stop committing acts of terror, stop preaching Death To Israel, or the US (they have only been doing it for the last what 70 years?), try to not invade all of your neighbors, maybe that would solve the problem. What is the key here - Iran - Hamas - Hezbollah. Hmm, if they don't exist in their current terroristic form, do we have peace in the Middle East..................................a lot closer to it.

 

[Horus]

The Arab countries that tried to wipe Israel out and failed and those Arabs who left Israel in 1948 to become the eternal refugees paid for by the donors to the UN, and I say Arabs, as up to that time, the term Palestinian as pertaining to only the Arabs hadn't been coined, have since their defeat been blaming the Israelis, the Jews, for all their woes and expelled all the local Jewish population from all of the Muslim countries with very few exceptions of where there were once tens of thousands of jews, to a few score.

A special extra tax imposed on the remaining Jews, who existed only as long as it suited them.

When it was themselves, who have never been willing to live in peace that have been the authors of the continuous violence.

It's an often trotted out and always truthful saying, that if the Arabs said down their weapons, there would be peace in the Middle East, if Israel put down theirs, the next day, there would be no Israel.

The Arabs have been teaching generations to hate, some of their religious leaders even sought Hitler's support and encouraged anti allied propaganda to the followers of that religion in the Middle East.

 

[tdubel]

Really, really, really tired of reading headlines that say Israel is violating the supposed cease fire with Lebanon.

Every single Israeli strike is a direct response to missile fire from Hezbollah rockets.

Jason
It is amazing that there are not more moral outrage posts on here regarding Hezbollah. They just killed another IDF reservist. And does anyone wish to post or report on the Hezbollah program where they groom young people for Martyrdom.

Anyhow, I couldn't agree more with you. As I have said ad nauseum, I really don't understand how any human being can justify the existence of Hamas or Hezbollah. I just don't, to me that is equivalent of justifying Hitler, Dahmer, Manson, the Ayatollahs, Sadam or his sons, Heydrich, Himmler, Qadaffi etc. I figure eventually good will win here. All of the examples I used eventually met their ends, even Qadaffi, the man of 9 plus lives.

Tom