ME 262 issues (1 Viewer)

[PanzerAce1944]

Normally I would agree with you but the tail holder slid out from under the craft and the left gear mount seemed improperly manufactured. When the skid slid out the plane slid off the shelf. I have over fifty planes from K&C and this was not designed well. A couple ounces of lead in the front would have ensured that they sat properly. K&C has had many defects lately and I think for the money there are some manufacturers that are really putting their heart into the craft. I do not think there is any direction besides making money. You should look at the Tommy Gunn figures and new warbirds. They are much better. There have been several models with defects from K&C and dealers have known this on many occasions. The 88's were full of flaws. I suspect between the gear not being manufactured correctly and the tail skid sliding out the plane would have broken. The dealer I bought it from warned me there were problems from K&C regarding this model.

If the rear tail skid slid out on its own you either have some mischevious hands in your home or an unwanted ghost ! If you display your items on open shelves, a good idea may be to glue some wooden strips down as stops,preventing anything from hitting the floor if it does come off of a shelf ^&confuse

 

[The Military Workshop]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

Mitch,
Shyguy indicated in his first post that he had a reply from Andy and had received several nasty emails. If Yan
Chan's message is what he means then I can not see what he is referring to. He was making comments as
though he had direct communication from Andy which so far does not appear the case.

My apologies for being "predictable" but my reading of Shyguys' posts are that he expects a replacement for
some damage that took place on his shelf which is beyond a tail sitting problem. If you read comments by others
in the two threads going I think others have the same thoughts about this damage, and who is responsable, as I
do. From looking at my shop display model which is resting on the ladder thing I find it hard to comprehend how
it might slide off as the top of the ladder is quite wide.

As Neil indicates K&C replaced his ME262 when he had a problem. K&C has been very good at replacing damaged
product and my personal feeling is that Shyguy is expecting too much of a "warranty". Based on the story so far if
was K&C I would not be replacing the item (as I mentioned Yan's message does not even refer to the damage
Shyguy is mentioning so either she missed the point or it was not mentioned in that manner).

Regards
Brett

 

[lancer]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

I don't see how anyone can expect KC to be responsible for the effects of gravity. No manufacturer can be expected to be responsible for what a customer does with/to an item once in is in the customers possession and in their home. Given that the aircraft landing gear didn't collapse and cause the tumble, the collector bears the responsibility to take care of his model, just like a person would with all possessions. -- Al

 

[glossman]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

My impression is that this is just a case of display of the ME262 without due appropriate care.

I suspect the "tail sitter" issue has no direct bearing on the damage sustained by this ME262.

It is being invoked to give leverage to the argument that K&C is responsible and should replace it.

As others have stated, K&C cannot be held responsible for how collectors display their pieces.

IMHO, Raymond.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

Just one point. I would say its not polystone that interests collectors but, the quality and detail. its problems i.e. weight were clearly shown in the release of the 262. Are you saying that you find the weight important??
Mitch

I would prefer a detailed, well done model as the first priority. The second priority is if I can choose between an aircraft or tank model
weighing 6 ounces or one solidly built at 1 or 2 pounds of polystone or metal I will opt for the latter.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

I think he is saying that he prefers the polystone tanks to the FL resin ones.

What I really prefer is a 1/1 scale fully operational Tiger {sm3}

 

[Shyguy151]

ME262 comments

Guys I respect all the comments and feedback that have been offered regarding the issue with my damaged ME 262. First off I am a large collector of both ground and air items and do have an extensive collection. I even had a custom type iVC/40 U Boat built in 1/30 scale to go with my K&C sailors and uboat figures. Some of which I modified to add extra positions and poses.

I take great care in displaying the items I have, and if I could figure out how to post pictures on tree frog would do so, and you could see that the items I have are well displayed. The 262 was too big to fit in the glass display units, and preferably I would have rather had and paid the price for a wooden warbird. To the dealer that said the value if my air collection that it would be a high dollar collection they are correct. Yes I would be willing to share photos now then of both my own custom painted items and K&C and other manufacturers.

For the record I would have fixed the 262 if I could and I did speak to the dealer involved who is very reputable and was not in the position to help due to personal issues. Very serious ones I might add. As for the emails between K&C I only posted what I regard is the main part and not what would considered a pissing contest between K&C. Up until this point I have had the utmost respect for K&C and just want a 262 that sits as was originally promised. Again I will reiterate that it was properly displayed at least by the the pictures and suggestions from K&C.

If this was a year down the line or more I would call it a day, but this was a new model out of the box and had some flaws that showed up in a very unfortunate way. It had been displayed for very little time. I am not asking the world here and just want a 262 preferably as promised that would sit on the real gear or will make allowances for the tail sitting issue. For the record when I was told it was more in the form of some do some do not.

Thank you for your input one and all good and bad, but this was a bad birdie.

Shyguy151

 

[wayne556517]

Re: ME262 comments

Hi Shyguy would love to see that U-Boat email me the pics i will post them for you my email is bonster@westnet.com.au and any other pics you want me to post (the 262 damaged pics) and i will your collection sounds awesome.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Re: ME262 comments

Dear Shyguy,

Third thread on same subject this week (for those new to this subject read the previous two).

From your most recent thread I note you no longer mention the fact your ME262 mysteriously fell off
a shelf of it's own accord. You may also have noted the feedback from most forum members in the previous two
threads was that they did not believe K&C could be held accounable for the damage in the way you descriibed it.

Now it seems you are just complaining about the tail sitting aspect which you knew about when you bought it.
You say you just want one that sits as was originally promised when yours has actually been damaged in another way.
As I said in another thread you expect to much.

The manner of your posts (and also in the TG and Figarti areas) are hardly likely to want to make any
manufacturer help you out. That being the case I guess we can look forward to further threads on this subject.

The fact, based on your description of events, is the damage was not caused by any fault by K&C.

Regards
Brett

 

[Shyguy151]

Re: ME262 comments

Guys, I am not revising my original post the plane had defects and the tail skid fell out. This was not normal or expected. The left gear looks like it might have been part of the culprit, but since it is after the fall and the damage is so extensive it is hard to point fingers. I do not think it is out of line to ask for a replacement on this one as it was displayed properly and the tail skid slid out. Frankly I did not expect the plane to come with a tail skid. Polystone does have differences and is not like the wooden variations, but keeps the cost down. I do feel K&C goofed on this not intentionally, but it happened. If it was minor damage I would fix it and call it day. Think if you saw the pictures and the shelf was appropriate it would be self explanatory. If it had been on the bottom shelf the damage might not have been as excessive, unfortunately the engines did not start in free fall and it did not fly back up. Plain and simple there were some defects with this aircraft, and maybe it was the one on the bad end of the bell curve. My guess is either the left gear could not hold the weight or was not properly secured or the tail skid slipped from the weight of the polystone. All I know is I came home to an ME 262 on the ground with a shattered left wing partially collapsed gear and a tail stand that had fallen backwards. You can draw your own judgements. Again if I knew how to submit pictures on this site I would. Call it a good faith gesture on the part of K&C but there are issues all around regarding this bird.

 

[Shyguy151]

Re: ME262 comments

Hi Shyguy would love to see that U-Boat email me the pics i will post them for you my email is bonster@westnet.com.au and any other pics you want me to post (the 262 damaged pics) and i will your collection sounds awesome.

Will try to it is awesome. Big sob, but they did a great unfortunately it weighs almost 200 pounds.

 

[Shyguy151]

Re: ME262 comments

Brett,

How do you feel my posts in TG or Figarti are in anyway negative. I have nothing but respect for TG and think both Figarti and TG have gone out of their way to increase the quality of their product. If you look at the Figarti jagdpanzer they did awesome job, the same with the train engine. tG produced cavalry that is out of this world, and is close to the Russian figures. For the record no manufacturer is perfect, and this K&C had problems. I am not implying all of K&C does, but the 262 I received had problems.

 

[Shyguy151]

I got a funny feeling after reading Shyguy's "awesome" post in the Thomas Gunn section- there was no need to mention K&C. I had an ongoing troll problem on Facebook related to my business. I know I'm overly paranoid, but I predict there'll be no sharing of pictures of Shyguy's collection.

If you tell me how to list pictures I have no problems with posting photos. You can seethe 262 or custom k&c tanks, and figures or my 1/30?scale uboat for that matter. You do not have to bait me. Just tell me how to upload pictures.

Shyguy

 

[Mitch]

Re: ME262 comments

Shyguy...

Your case lacks evidence and is all circumstantial mate and, whilst I respect and support your right to voice your angst some of your posts do look like sour grapes and will certainly not be helping any case you may have had
Mitch

E=Shyguy151;416889]Brett,

How do you feel my posts in TG or Figarti are in anyway negative. I have nothing but respect for TG and think both Figarti and TG have gone out of their way to increase the quality of their product. If you look at the Figarti jagdpanzer they did awesome job, the same with the train engine. tG produced cavalry that is out of this world, and is close to the Russian figures. For the record no manufacturer is perfect, and this K&C had problems. I am not implying all of K&C does, but the 262 I received had problems.[/QUOTE]

 

[The Military Workshop]

Re: ME262 comments

Shyguy,
I was not referring to your comments about TG or Figarti but that your posts in those areas also mentioned K&C.
Your comments about K&C in those two areas were made around the same you started two threads complaining
about your 262.

For example you started a new TG thread "Awesome figures surpasses K&C". I have no problem with you holding
that view but forgive me when I express some cynicism about the timing of it when you are on a campaign
to get a free replacement for something mysteriously broken.

From my reading of the situation K&C has replied they will not replace your damaged 262. The consensus from
members of this forum (several apart from myself) was that you were unreasonable to expect a replacement
and the damage was your responsability. Clearly that is not enough for you so you start another thread and put
forward your case in a different way. No mention of falling off a shelf in your first post but now you have added
the bit that you came home to find it on the floor.

You seem to expect a "good faith gesture" when nobody else thinks K&C is liable. Sorry but your damage story gets no sympathy from me. In fact the nature of your threads brings to mind the word "shakedown" (Mods please feel
free to delete this line if it does not comply with any forum rules).

However I am sure we are all looking forward to seeing pictures of your 50 K&C aircraft and your 200lb U Boat.

Regards
Brett

 

[Shyguy151]

Guys I have tired to load pictures for you and either my resolution is to high or I am not doing it correctly.

Sorry,

Shyguy151

 

[The Military Workshop]

As indicated in the 3rd thread Wayne would be happy to assist you if you email him your images.

 

[wayne556517]

Here she is what a beast.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

"Bumped" this thread so can be together with the other two on same subject.

 

[wayne556517]

Re: ME262 comments

Im just the messenger not getting involved.