“Commemorating & Celebrating” (2 Viewers)

[Combat]

Yes that must really be warm{eek3} So are the public also forbidden to walk across the wheatfield for instance Doug, I read somewhere there were attempts to keep people from trying to scramble down Little Round top as well?

Rob

You can walk pretty much walk anywhere on the battlefield. They do discourage people from getting off the paths on Little Round Top because it's rocky and steep. It's easy to fall and get hurt. Kids sit all over the place though in the summer. So if you want to have a few beers and give it a go they probably wouldn't taser you. I've seen people climbing all over the rocks in the devil's den. I not one who believes in the ghost stories they like to sell (the second biggest tourist industry in GB), but if there were any ghosts that's were you find them. The Devil's Den area is a creepy place. I've also had occasion to drive through the battlefield when it's empty and shrouded with fog. It doesn't give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

 

[Rob]

You can walk pretty much walk anywhere on the battlefield. They do discourage people from getting off the paths on Little Round Top because it's rocky and steep. It's easy to fall and get hurt. Kids sit all over the place though in the summer. So if you want to have a few beers and give it a go they probably wouldn't taser you. I've seen people climbing all over the rocks in the devil's den. I not one who believes in the ghost stories they like to sell (the second biggest tourist industry in GB), but if there were any ghosts that's were you find them. The Devil's Den area is a creepy place. I've also had occasion to drive through the battlefield when it's empty and shrouded with fog. It doesn't give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Funny you mention that Doug because whenever I search Gettysburg books there are always GB Ghost books coming up in results. Devil's Den is the ' Ghost Hot Spot ' is it? Nothing to do with that Soldier they moved around for the pics was it??I too am not a believer of ghost stories really but I once stood alone in Sanctuary Wood outside Ypre as the Sun went down and the wind went through the trees above me and it was quite creepy to be honest.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Will I need sunglasses for the new WW1 range?

^&grin

Yes and some ' Gippy tummy' remedy! :wink2:

Rob

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

I do clearly remember you said that very thing against me in your WWI thread and, while its been said it was laid at my door the disrespect to veterans. That's not starting an argument but, I think if you write something you should at least remember how you acted in that thread and, what you stated.
Mitch

Anyway, its clear Andy was spiked by the comments which had nothing to do with K&C and felt it necessary to produce one of his replies but, it shows WWI fans will get plenty next year and, if that's what people want fine its just not for me. I feel the same about WWII and so-called anniversaries

I have just previewed two WWI books set for release next year that have been ''updated'' and, accordingly increased in price and, its almost criminal how little has been ''updated'' its just an attempt to jump on the bandwagon that I alluded to elsewhere because we foolishly IMO hold dear numerology.
Mitch

You are saying anyone who liked the original post is somehow bullying someone else? Really, is that not a bit far fetched? Have you yourself never ticked a like box??? And if you did were you agreeing with one persons point or attempting to bully someone else? I said in another thread that its because we enjoy the freedom we do that we are free to remember in public, private or not at all. Just because a lot of people either agree with a point or disagree with one person does not mean they are bullying anyone. Me thinks you might be seeing too much into that old fruit.

Another point just so we are clear, I don't think anybody here has said that because Mitch does not hold with big anniversaries he does not show respect for the fallen, nobody has said that at all, and anyone suggesting so is on a flight of fancy I think.Lets keep this in the boundaries of reasonable discussion shall we. Some people like the idea of the big anniversary and some people don't. Why can that not be a discussion without this ' bullies covenant ' swipe at people who do not deserve to called that by you simply because they agree with Andy, pretty strange remark my friend. Finally Mitch is used to disagreeing with folk now and again, don't see him claiming he's been bullied ^&confuse

Rob

 

[Rob]

Mitch,

I too have absolutely no interest in starting an argument I'm truly fed up with all that. However I did just go through every single post of mine in my WW1 thread and not once did I say you disrespect the fallen in any way at all.I would never say that about anyone (unless they clearly demonstrated they did) I did think your position on the football on that one Sunday was wrong but that is only my opinion and is not the same as saying you disrespect the fallen. I have also said in Guy's thread that people are free to remember not remember or not care, again I never said you do not care about the fallen.

As for WW1 books, I've no interest in regurgitated releases such as you describe, I'll be looking forward to totally new tomes such as that by Max Hastings in September, I have most of his WW2 books and he is a superb author/historian so I'll be looking forward to his first WW1 book.

As for 2014-18 I say it one final time, we are all perfectly free to make our own choices about where when and how we remember. I personally like to sometimes go to our local War memorial, sometimes the Cenotaph in London and sometimes on the battlefield itself. I merely raised the whole 100th anniversary thread because its a subject close to my heart and I'm very much looking forward to the events and the opening of the IWM's new WW1 Gallery.

Rob

 

[The Military Workshop]

Aside from the usual asinine and anodyne 'likes' and affirmation which upon viewing seems nothing more than some insidious bullies covenant, I can see both points being made by the oft chastised Mitch and by Andy. For some it is a case of history finding them and the centenary will certainly serve as a catalyst for future enlightenment due to media exposure, others are more proactive and no one year has primacy over another and to be honest that is how it should be.

Beware all nonconformists. You're not welcome here!

I would agree with Rob. Your comment about asinine likes and insidious bullies covenant suggests you look down
upon anybody who does not happen to share the same view as yours (no matter how many might have the
opposite view to you).

If you look at the "likes" on Andy's post it is a broad collection of people covered by your comment. It is an interesting concept that they might be considerd bullies for agreeing with Andy and hence I suppose disagreeeing with you.

I found it amusing that in a recent post you were of the opinion tha K&C should pay equal weight to the opinion of all
collectors regarding WWI feedback. You remarked to Howard

"I'm just trying to ensure that when it comes to the Great War an Orwellian situation is avoided i.e. we are all listened to, but some are listened to more than others. I'm not saying that will definitely happen but that's why I'm keen on establishing a consensus".

When you have described K&C's WWI figures with the word fluroescent and in this thread said "Will I need sunglasses for the new WW1 range?" one can only be amused by your optimism that K&C would value your input equally with people like Howard.

Happy Collecting.
Regards
Brett

 

[jazzeum]

After reading certain comments all I can say, man, you've just got to love this place :rolleyes2:

 

[Poppo]

Not sure if "Europe might still be under the jackboot of the Nazis today" if the allies invasion hadn' t have happened{sm2}( more probably it would have been under the sovietic boot).......But it is sure that I am waiting for 2019 to commemorate the 2010th anniversary of the sacrifice of Varus' es roman legions massacred by bad germans in 9CE.....{sm4}

 

[sammy719]

After reading certain comments all I can say, man, you've just got to love this place :rolleyes2:

Your correct there Brad, first time I have ever been called a bully for pushing a "like" button, oh well, I guess I'm just mean and nasty like that...Sammy

 

[wayne556517]

I knew it Sammy "Liking" you would lead to trouble,bloody meat workers nothing but trouble..................................^&grin

 

[Jack]

The correspondent Sir Philip Gibbs described the British soldiers he saw moving up to the front in in 1915 in a manner that I think goes some way to explaining the need to commemorate the events of 1914 - 1918. He was a romantic and came to be something of a spokesman for the army, but he was perhaps the most influential of all the journalists to report from the Western Front.

In 1921 he wrote that 'for as long as history lasts the imagination of our people will strive to conjure up the vision of those boys who, in the year 1915, went out to Flanders, not as conscript soldiers, but as volunteers, for the old country’s sake, to take their risks and ‘do their bit’ in the world’s bloodiest war’.

It is emotive but it is a good reminder that our commemoration is not all about 'them'. It is just as profoundly about us. We live in multicultural societies blessed with great diversity, but just as surely there are fewer grounds for agreement and with far less of a sense of belonging to an identifiable national group. The commemorations will allow us to 'conjour' up an image of a society with fewer cracks, where we are able to look at our neighbour and see what we have in common rather than the differences. England in 1914 was on the verge of serious upheaval - industrial strife, Ireland, the suffragettes - and war united the country. It would be nice to think that 100 years later that tragedy will give us a chance to feel that kinship again - this time minus the hatreds.

 

[Rob]

I would agree with Rob. Your comment about asinine likes and insidious bullies covenant suggests you look down
upon anybody who does not happen to share the same view as yours (no matter how many might have the
opposite view to you).

If you look at the "likes" on Andy's post it is a broad collection of people covered by your comment. It is an interesting concept that they might be considerd bullies for agreeing with Andy and hence I suppose disagreeeing with you.

I found it amusing that in a recent post you were of the opinion tha K&C should pay equal weight to the opinion of all
collectors regarding WWI feedback. You remarked to Howard

"I'm just trying to ensure that when it comes to the Great War an Orwellian situation is avoided i.e. we are all listened to, but some are listened to more than others. I'm not saying that will definitely happen but that's why I'm keen on establishing a consensus".

When you have described K&C's WWI figures with the word fluroescent and in this thread said "Will I need sunglasses for the new WW1 range?" one can only be amused by your optimism that K&C would value your input equally with people like Howard.

Happy Collecting.
Regards
Brett

Brett, being as he's a WW1 Collector I thought he was asking if they were from Gallipoli! So I said he'd need Gippy tummy remedy too!^&grin^&grin:wink2:

Rob

 

[The Military Workshop]

Brett, being as he's a WW1 Collector I thought he was asking if they were from Gallipoli! So I said he'd need Gippy tummy remedy too!^&grin^&grin:wink2:

Rob

Perhaps you are right. Could be a reference to WWI figures in a hot climate. The previous fluro comment jumped out at me as clearly factually not true so I made assumption his sunglasses comment was a continuation of that line of comment. No doubt we will find out.

 

[Isandlwana]

I would agree with Rob. Your comment about asinine likes and insidious bullies covenant suggests you look down
upon anybody who does not happen to share the same view as yours (no matter how many might have the
opposite view to you).

If you look at the "likes" on Andy's post it is a broad collection of people covered by your comment. It is an interesting concept that they might be considerd bullies for agreeing with Andy and hence I suppose disagreeeing with you.

I found it amusing that in a recent post you were of the opinion tha K&C should pay equal weight to the opinion of all
collectors regarding WWI feedback. You remarked to Howard

"I'm just trying to ensure that when it comes to the Great War an Orwellian situation is avoided i.e. we are all listened to, but some are listened to more than others. I'm not saying that will definitely happen but that's why I'm keen on establishing a consensus".

When you have described K&C's WWI figures with the word fluroescent and in this thread said "Will I need sunglasses for the new WW1 range?" one can only be amused by your optimism that K&C would value your input equally with people like Howard.

Happy Collecting.
Regards
Brett

Have you ever disagreed with Andy?

 

[waynepoo]

Have you ever disagreed with Andy?

Have you ever met Andy?
Wayne.

 

[Isandlwana]

What's your point? You need to make it.

 

[waynepoo]

What's your point? You need to make it.

No point, just a simple question which you don't have to answer.
Wayne.

 

[Isandlwana]

No. He hasn't had the pleasure yet. I'll be there again in March, primarily to meet JJ it has to be said.

 

[Rob]

March, yep thats coming round nice and quick, both the London show and the Westcoaster on the same weekend means there will be a LOT of pics put up on the forum that weekend!

Rob

 

[waynepoo]

No. He hasn't had the pleasure yet. I'll be there again in March, primarily to meet JJ it has to be said.

Fair enough, you should go out of your way to give him the pleasure though, as he will take on board any feedback you care to offer...
Wayne.