1967 The Doors (1 Viewer)

[mestell]

To keep your records as fresh as possible, I recommend using inner and outer liners. See https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GZF7B9V/ref=dp_cerb_1 and https://www.amazon.com/MOBILE-FIDEL...eywords=Mobile+Fidelity&qid=1595295672&sr=8-5

You may also want to consider cleaning your records because over time they will pick up a lot of junk (smudges, dust, lint, etc.). Now, good record cleaners can cost you up to $700 or so but this is the one I have, a Studebaker, https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07K8YTMDC/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_inactive_ship_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A lot of people love Spin Clean, which is a little more expensive, but it works on the same principle as the Studebaker, which is cheaper.

Thank you Brad for the helpful information. I really didn't know about the availability of the liners. Good to know . . . .
:smile2: Mike

 

[OzDigger]

Digital is definitely easier than vinyl but soundwise vinyl produces a warmer sound. If you’re referring to cds, the remastering they do nowadays is pretty good. If you’re talking about streaming, everything is flattened; adequate but not great sound. Vinyl is more interactive, so to speak. It’s fun to look through the stacks and find something good. Just this weekend, I found some nifty albums. Of course to each his own and I definitely have a lot of cds.

I agree with your thoughts on the sound quality of vinyl. I have both vinyl and CDs and although both sound good I have always thought the vinyl had more depth and dimension to it's sound quality.
Mike

There is a difference in the way the sound is recorded in that Digital does compress the signal however most people won't notice the difference and this has been proved in a number of blind tests. Analogue adds some ambiance to the experience in the act of selecting a record, placing it on the turntable etc. However the actual listening experiences depends more on the quality of the relative sound systems as well as the individual recordings.

For example most of the earlier Records were produced in large volumes with little regard to actual music quality. This is especially relevant to Pop and Rock recordings, whereas Classical recordings tended to be replayed on better quality equipment requiring higher quality records and recording equipment. Even today most new Analogue records are produced from Digital Masters, so there's that.

At the end of the day it's like Toy Soldiers, or Wine, Cars or whatever. People are going to have their own opinion on what they prefer, buy what you want as they say. Personally most of my music is via Spotify, at home or in my car, imo much better sound than any Analogue Audio equipment I ever owned. Of course people with high end Analogue equipment may have a different opinion but I suggest there may be more of a personal opinion involved rather than actual fact.

 

[mestell]

I am certainly not a "vinyl head" . . . I just enjoy the nostalgia of listening to the record on the turntable as I did in my younger days before 8-track and CDs. Outside on the patio and in my car I listen to Pandora and enjoy it just as much. By the way, I have really enjoyed this thread not only from the memory of The Doors but also the helpful information on the care and maintenance of the turntable as well as the albums themselves. Until tonight I didn't realize how simple it was to change a belt (to be real honest I didn't realize the rubber mat was removable as well as the platter underneath it :redface2: I never did it before). Didn't change it (no replacement yet) but did clean/dust everything real good. Turntable once again working fine. Just finished listening to THE DOORS album . . . "Light My Fire" and "This Is The End" still sound awesome. I will be ordering a new belt (KD-38R) for the turntable tomorrow as well as some inner and outer sleeves for my discs.
:smile2: Mike

 

[jazzeum]

It is true that the better the system, the better the sound, which is why I improved my turntable last last year.

I’m not sure I agree that earlier records were produced without regard for quality, and it all depends what you mean by “earlier”. I know that when it comes to jazz, this definitely isn’t the case as record execs and listeners were always looking for the best sound. In rock, maybe until 1965 or so but people like Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys was very particular about sound. I’m not sure what exactly you are referring to when you say “Even today most new Analogue records are produced from Digital Masters, so there's that.” If you mean new recordings, that could be the case. However, if you are referring to reissues, engineers are making records from the original tapes. For example, jazz reissues in the US are made from the original tapes. When the Woodstock concert was reissued last year, the engineers used the original tapes. The one exception are reissue labels in Europe. A lot of these are needle drops.

In my opinion, Spotify is ok for casual listening but for something better than that I prefer CDs (which is what I listen to in the car) or vinyl. If I go out for a walk, I may listen to Spotify but on the whole I don’t like it, and I don’t consider myself an audiophile.

 

[OzDigger]

I am certainly not a "vinyl head" . . . I just enjoy the nostalgia of listening to the record on the turntable as I did in my younger days before 8-track and CDs. Outside on the patio and in my car I listen to Pandora and enjoy it just as much. By the way, I have really enjoyed this thread not only from the memory of The Doors but also the helpful information on the care and maintenance of the turntable as well as the albums themselves. Until tonight I didn't realize how simple it was to change a belt (to be real honest I didn't realize the rubber mat was removable as well as the platter underneath it :redface2: I never did it before). Didn't change it (no replacement yet) but did clean/dust everything real good. Turntable once again working fine. Just finished listening to THE DOORS album . . . "Light My Fire" and "This Is The End" still sound awesome. I will be ordering a new belt (KD-38R) for the turntable tomorrow as well as some inner and outer sleeves for my discs.
:smile2: Mike

Hey Mike, I'm happy I was of some help with your turntable problem. I have replaced several belts over the years, the easiest thing to do really. I've also replaced a number of cartridges which contain the needle on the tonearm, a decent cartridge can make a big improvement to the sound quality, same with the speakers, but if your happy with the current sound, there's not much point messing around with your system. I enjoyed making improvements and updates to my hi fi systems over the years. I used to clean every record before I played it, also checked the pressure of the tone arm on the record with the little scales I had. However after I purchased a decent CD player I lost all interest in records and sold them cheap or tossed them out. Years ago I sold my NAD system to a local guy that had a music shop and haven't looked back, it's all digital for me now.

 

[jazzeum]

As Matt points out, a cartridge can make a big difference and I’m sure he can give you pointers on replacing it. When I replaced my cartridge last year, my dealer said it should be done every three years.

 

[OzDigger]

It is true that the better the system, the better the sound, which is why I improved my turntable last last year.

I’m not sure I agree that earlier records were produced without regard for quality, and it all depends what you mean by “earlier”. I know that when it comes to jazz, this definitely isn’t the case as record execs and listeners were always looking for the best sound. In rock, maybe until 1965 or so but people like Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys was very particular about sound. I’m not sure what exactly you are referring to when you say “Even today most new Analogue records are produced from Digital Masters, so there's that.” If you mean new recordings, that could be the case. However, if you are referring to reissues, engineers are making records from the original tapes. For example, jazz reissues in the US are made from the original tapes. When the Woodstock concert was reissued last year, the engineers used the original tapes. The one exception are reissue labels in Europe. A lot of these are needle drops.

In my opinion, Spotify is ok for casual listening but for something better than that I prefer CDs (which is what I listen to in the car) or vinyl. If I go out for a walk, I may listen to Spotify but on the whole I don’t like it, and I don’t consider myself an audiophile.

Perhaps I would think differently if I still had an extensive record collection, especially if it included rare albums or whatever. However to me it's as much about convenience as the sound, and Digital sounds great to me and I can take it everywhere. I currently spend about $12 per month on Spotify and can download as many songs/albums as I want.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, on this and a number of other things. For example I hate most Jazz music, almost as much as I hate Reggae and Rap, it just isn't music to me, more like an assault on my senses.

 

[jazzeum]

I don’t hate any type of music as it’s an expression of what we are all about. I’m not a big fan of rap but hate it, no. If you say you hate jazz, that’s a hard one to wrap my head around as jazz encompasses so many different kinds of improvisational music from ragtime to swing to bop to soul jazz to avant garde, as well as being the foundation of western popular music. If you don’t like avant garde, well I’m not a big fan either but if you hate all of it, we obviously have little in common.

I’m just not a big fan of streaming music. I like holding and having the actual music. I probably have around 2,5000 cds and 200 LPs.

However, there’s no right or wrong answer. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[OzDigger]

I did say most Jazz, by that I refer to any Jazz style music that is off pitch or similarly unpleasant to me. Of course there have been many derivatives over the years, some of which I can tolerate, even appreciate. It's the deliberate off notes that I hate, perhaps hate is an over the top description but the most accurate for my feelings.

 

[jazzeum]

I did say most Jazz, by that I refer to any Jazz style music that is off pitch or similarly unpleasant to me. Of course there have been many derivatives over the years, some of which I can tolerate, even appreciate. It's the deliberate off notes that I hate, perhaps hate is an over the top description but the most accurate for my feelings.

I know what you mean. Music should be melodic and if I can’t find the melody (even with dissonance) then I’m unlikely to want to listen.

 

[OzDigger]

I know what you mean. Music should be melodic and if I can’t find the melody (even with dissonance) then I’m unlikely to want to listen.

To be fair to Jazz I have that preference for all styles of Music, I don't like to listen to Bands that can't play 'proper' music. Even some of my favourite Bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers and Metallica did not appeal to me in their formative years. It was only after they had better management and members learned how to sing and play more formally that I found them more appealing. Of course I have met fans that say these bands had 'sold out' when they become more commercially popular, you can't please everybody as they say.

 

[bromhead]

Bromhead, don't you still own that Mustang? I recall you posting a picture of it not too long ago.

After 50 plus years of Mustangs and the music,,doors aboard,,I now have a Black late model,,tricked a bit,,and the fastest of the prior herd

 

[Terp152]

I am certainly not a "vinyl head" . . . I just enjoy the nostalgia of listening to the record on the turntable as I did in my younger days before 8-track and CDs. Outside on the patio and in my car I listen to Pandora and enjoy it just as much. By the way, I have really enjoyed this thread not only from the memory of The Doors but also the helpful information on the care and maintenance of the turntable as well as the albums themselves. Until tonight I didn't realize how simple it was to change a belt (to be real honest I didn't realize the rubber mat was removable as well as the platter underneath it :redface2: I never did it before). Didn't change it (no replacement yet) but did clean/dust everything real good. Turntable once again working fine. Just finished listening to THE DOORS album . . . "Light My Fire" and "This Is The End" still sound awesome. I will be ordering a new belt (KD-38R) for the turntable tomorrow as well as some inner and outer sleeves for my discs.
:smile2: Mike

You guys got me to re-listen to L.A.Woman album. Forgotten how many great songs are on that one. Trivia: Morrison, Hendrix and Joplin all died at age 27. Chris

 

[jazzeum]

If you get AXS TV, Dan Rather did a great interview for his Big Interview Show with John Densmore and Robby Krieger. Well worth watching.

Unfortunately, their YouTube channel only has a very small clip.

[URL]https://youtu.be/75q6n5TNsIg[/URL]