2017 Baseball Season: Let's Play Two! (2 Viewers)

O's starter Tillman only lasted 4 innings tonight, an unfortunate trend over his last 6 starts, all of which have been horrible. Over those 6 starts he has lasted a total of 24.1 innings, yielded 48 hits (9 Hrs) and 31 earned runs. His season ERA is now 8.39, and he shows no signs of coming out of this downward spiral. Formerly the best and most consistent O's starter, it has now gotten to the point that one has to ask how long can the O's continue to run him out to the mound when there appears no hope of success. As bad as Jimenez has been, he is now the better choice, which is indicative of how bad things have gotten. Have to wonder what has happened, maybe incomplete recovery from the earlier injury, maybe a new injury? It is an unfortunate puzzle that seems to have no answer. I wonder what the O's will do, as they have no viable alternatives or they would have used them already. -- Al
 
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O's starter Tillman only lasted 4 innings tonight, an unfortunate trend over his last 6 starts, all of which have been horrible. Over those 6 starts he has lasted a total of 24.1 innings, yielded 48 hits (9 Hrs) and 31 earned runs. His season ERA is now 8.39, and he shows no signs of coming out of this downward spiral. Formerly the best and most consistent O's starter, it has now gotten to the point that one has to ask how long can the O's continue to run him out to the mound when there appears no hope of success. As bad as Jimenez has been, he is now the better choice, which is indicative of how bad things have gotten. Have to wonder what has happened, maybe incomplete recovery from the earlier injury, maybe a new injury? It is an unfortunate puzzle that seems to have no answer. I wonder what the O's will do, as they have no viable alternatives or they would have used them already. -- Al
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Maybe the LET'S GO O'S!! can talk Palmer, Cuellar, McNally and Dobson out of retirement, they can't do any worse than the tomato cans being marched out there game after game......................
 
So shifting to Williamsport East didn't help the MFY's stop the bleeding tonight then huh? Well it did for Quasimodo, he hit another home run to right, but not for the rest of the team, that's seven in a row.

LOOK OUT BELOW!!
 
I keep hearing Yankee fans belittling the Angels but they are a scrappy team and are keeping their head above water, all without Trout.
 
Warrior said:
Maybe the LET'S GO O'S!! can talk Palmer, Cuellar, McNally and Dobson out of retirement, they can't do any worse than the tomato cans being marched out there game after game......................
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Truth. -- Al
 
lancer said:
Truth. -- Al
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Not one, not two, not three, but four 20 game winners, just incredible, only one other team in MLB history had four 20 game winners.

Man were those 60's and 70's Orioles teams loaded................
 
Warrior said:
Not one, not two, not three, but four 20 game winners, just incredible, only one other team in MLB history had four 20 game winners.

Man were those 60's and 70's Orioles teams loaded................
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I remember them winning 109 and 110 games in back to back seasons. Chris
 
I'm so proud. As of this AM, the O's pitching staff officially ranks LAST in MLB. Staff ERA is 5.06 and the BAA is .282. Good grief, maybe the O's can sign Mr. Charles Brown, aka Blockhead, as a starting pitcher. He should fit right in.:rolleyes2: -- Al
 
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I'm so proud. As of this AM, the O's pitching staff officially ranks LAST in MLB. Staff ERA is 5.06 and the BAA is .282. Good grief, maybe the O's can sign Mr. Charles Brown, aka Blockhead, as a starting pitcher. He should fit right in.:rolleyes2: -- Al
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I think the O's should just for go the starting pitching stuff...just send out a relief pitcher every so many innings as that is about the extent of the situation right now anyway.
 
sammy719 said:
I think the O's should just for go the starting pitching stuff...just send out a relief pitcher every so many innings as that is about the extent of the situation right now anyway.
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I've wondered at times why an All-Star game approach (pitcher goes 2 innings, maybe less, then a new pitcher comes in) isn't tried on a regular basis. The answer is you would burn through the pitching staff too fast. 3 or 4 games in a row of 4 or 5 pitchers per game would leave a lot of broken down arms in it's wake. Even going with the 1 pitcher per inning thing results in the same problem. A team has to have pitchers capable of 6-7 innings unless baseball expands the rosters to allow an 18 man pitching staff. It may come to that if pitch counts continue to rise and innings per start continue to drop. I foresee a day when MLB changes the rules so that a starting pitcher qualifies for a win after 3 innings instead of the current 5 innings. I remember the good old days (Wayback Machine Alert!) when pitchers actually would complete 20-25 games a season. So far this season, 70 or so games in, there have been a total of 32 complete games by the 30 teams. Times sure have changed. -- Al
 
More proof about how tough it is to throw a no-hitter: Yesterday, 2 pitchers, Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander, had good shots at throwing no-hitters. Scherzer worked into the 8th before losing his bid and Verlander worked 5.1 innings of perfect ball before losing his. Thing is, once the pitcher loses the no-no, things can go south pretty fast. Verlander entered the 6th with a 4-0 lead but never made it out of the 6th, eventually surrendering 4 hits, a walk and 3 earned runs, but didn't figure in the final decision, which Detroit lost 7-5. Scherzer went to the 8th with a slim 1-0 lead and no margin foe error, but as so often happens, it all fell apart after an infield 'oops' hit that barely eluded Scherzer's glove. A walk, an error, and another hit followed. The tying run scored on a wild pitch, the go-ahead run on the second hit. The error made both runs unearned, with Scherzer taking the eventual loss, 2-1. Scherzer threw the complete game but lost on the 2 unearned runs. Baseball has so many ways to ruin your day. And if you are wondering why Scherzer wasn't removed after the no-no was lost, the simple answer is that there is no one in the bullpen better than Scherzer, even after 115+ pitches of maximum effort baseball. It was Scherzer's game all the way. -- Al
 
lancer said:
I've wondered at times why an All-Star game approach (pitcher goes 2 innings, maybe less, then a new pitcher comes in) isn't tried on a regular basis. The answer is you would burn through the pitching staff too fast. 3 or 4 games in a row of 4 or 5 pitchers per game would leave a lot of broken down arms in it's wake. Even going with the 1 pitcher per inning thing results in the same problem. A team has to have pitchers capable of 6-7 innings unless baseball expands the rosters to allow an 18 man pitching staff. It may come to that if pitch counts continue to rise and innings per start continue to drop. I foresee a day when MLB changes the rules so that a starting pitcher qualifies for a win after 3 innings instead of the current 5 innings. I remember the good old days (Wayback Machine Alert!) when pitchers actually would complete 20-25 games a season. So far this season, 70 or so games in, there have been a total of 32 complete games by the 30 teams. Times sure have changed. -- Al[/QUOTE

Palmer mentions going the distance in his book. It was not an uncommon phenomena yrs ago. Chris
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Terp152 said:
lancer said:
I've wondered at times why an All-Star game approach (pitcher goes 2 innings, maybe less, then a new pitcher comes in) isn't tried on a regular basis. The answer is you would burn through the pitching staff too fast. 3 or 4 games in a row of 4 or 5 pitchers per game would leave a lot of broken down arms in it's wake. Even going with the 1 pitcher per inning thing results in the same problem. A team has to have pitchers capable of 6-7 innings unless baseball expands the rosters to allow an 18 man pitching staff. It may come to that if pitch counts continue to rise and innings per start continue to drop. I foresee a day when MLB changes the rules so that a starting pitcher qualifies for a win after 3 innings instead of the current 5 innings. I remember the good old days (Wayback Machine Alert!) when pitchers actually would complete 20-25 games a season. So far this season, 70 or so games in, there have been a total of 32 complete games by the 30 teams. Times sure have changed. -- Al[/QUOTE

Palmer mentions going the distance in his book. It was not an uncommon phenomena yrs ago. Chris
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I started following baseball about 1960 and the CG was certainly an expectation in the 1960's, if not actually achieved the majority of the time. Pitchers I remember who completed games seemingly all the time were guys like Bob Gibson (482 Games Started, 255 Complete games); Juan Marichal (457 GS, 244 CG); Warren Spahn (665 GS, 382 CG) and Jim Palmer (521 GS, 211 CG). In 1968, the Year of the Pitcher, as it was called, Marichal 30 CG, Gibson 28 CG, Denny McLain 28 CG, Fergy Jenkins 20 CG, Tiant 19 CG, and so on. None of these guys had shortened careers because of the dreaded CG, (except maybe McLain, but he had other problems:rolleyes2:). It is just incredible to me that the game has gone so far the other way, and to what end? To save the pitcher's arm? Seems not to have worked if that is what was wanted. Every team has pitchers out of action with arm miseries and many get TJ surgery. Heck, if the arms are going to fall off anyway, may as well go 9 innings and make it worth while. But, as you say, times sure have changed. -- Al
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During Tuesday's night game the announcers mentioned that the team ERA (5.02) was the worst at this point of the season since 1962. Considering that 1962 was the Mets' inaugural year, that is quite an indictment considered the supposed quality of the starting staff.
 
Warrior said:
Not one, not two, not three, but four 20 game winners, just incredible, only one other team in MLB history had four 20 game winners.

Man were those 60's and 70's Orioles teams loaded................
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True but don't forget this team!

1998 Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux (18-9, Tom Glavine (20-6), Denny Neagle (16-11), Kevin Millwood (17-8), John Smoltz (17-3)
 
Rutledge said:
True but don't forget this team!

1998 Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux (18-9, Tom Glavine (20-6), Denny Neagle (16-11), Kevin Millwood (17-8), John Smoltz (17-3)
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A great pitching line-up and I still don't understand how SD took them out in the NLCS. Lost money on that one. -- Al
 
Got to give it to Miley going into the 6th with a pitch count of 111!! giving up 8 hits on 4 runs these days in Baltimore is a success.
 
sammy719 said:
Got to give it to Miley going into the 6th with a pitch count of 111!! giving up 8 hits on 4 runs these days in Baltimore is a success.
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Agreed. Also, the O's hot pursuit of the MLB record for most games in a row with 5 or more runs allowed is alive and well. Tonight's game puts the streak at 19, the AL record, and within a hair of tying the MLB record of 20 games in a row, set by Philly of the NL back in the deep past. This is one record I hope the O's miss out on. :wink2: -- Al
 
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