2017 Baseball Season: Let's Play Two! (1 Viewer)

alright gang, let's all join in my misery on Saturday to see the O's break a 1,000 year old record for allowing 5 or more runs in consecutive games!!! unreal, I'm officially calling it on my end (keep up the good fight Al) just want the NFL camps to open and move on from baseball 2017.... a baseball team that can't hit, pitch, coaching just as bad, just let it end.
 
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Or if a team was up 5-3 in game 6 leading the series 3-2 and they had two outs, two strikes and nobody on base to the batter in the bottom of the tenth, then proceeded to blow the game and then the series.

Being down 3-0 and winning a series 4-3 is one thing; blowing a game and a series the way the Red Sox did in 1986 was just as soul crushing as the Falcons blowing that 28-3 lead.

Probably worse; the odds of the Mets winning that game were about a billion to one at that point, but they pulled it out.

They got a base hit, a base hit, a base hit, a wild pitch, then "a little roller up along the bag..............................."

You will never see a bigger choke job in the WS than that.

As in ever.
That was the exact moment I gave up on the Sox for good. I rooted for them in '67 and they just got beaten by a red hot Bob Gibson. No problem with that, but 1986 just did me in. I was rooting for the Sox because I still nursed a grudge against the Mets for the 1969 WS. I couldn't believe what happened then and still can't now. Use Bob Stanley? Buckner with the most famous error in the last 60 years? I just gave up on them, although I thought it neat that the Sox finally won it all, 3 times, I have never been back as a fan. 1986 was just unbelievable. -- Al
 
That was the exact moment I gave up on the Sox for good. I rooted for them in '67 and they just got beaten by a red hot Bob Gibson. No problem with that, but 1986 just did me in. I was rooting for the Sox because I still nursed a grudge against the Mets for the 1969 WS. I couldn't believe what happened then and still can't now. Use Bob Stanley? Buckner with the most famous error in the last 60 years? I just gave up on them, although I thought it neat that the Sox finally won it all, 3 times, I have never been back as a fan. 1986 was just unbelievable. -- Al

Don't blame you, that was and still is just unbelievable.

When that bullpen door opened up and Stanley came waddling out I said to myself "That's it, it's over"........................

It's great that they've won three WS titles since, but thousands of life long Red Sox fans went to their graves between 1986 and 2004 never seeing them win it, 1986 should have been the one that broke the curse.

Anyone who still thought after that monumental loss there was no curse was kidding himself.

Then the kicker was they were up 3-0 in game 7, a gassed Bruce Hurst ran out of gas, Oil Can Boyd, who should have started the game, was so upset he did not get the start that he went into the clubhouse and drank a case of beer, so when they needed him to come in in relief, he was hammered and couldn't do it and they went on to lose the game and the series in 7 games.

As bad as the 1978 collapse was to the MFY's, this was 10,000 times worse, it is and always will be the worst moment in Boston sports history, followed by #1A, the Scotland game, which ruined a perfect season, Eli Gump with that miracle throw to Tyree as the final dagger.

After the miracle of 1969 and then 1986, the Mets were truly a team that was famous for miracles; none since 1986 though, ,I guess they used them all up.

That 1988 team should have won a WS, but they blew it, probably the same for the team that lost to the Royals with Cheese a couple of years ago, so there you go.

Two New York teams too; gee, go figure...................................
 
alright gang, let's all join in my misery on Saturday to see the O's break a 1,000 year old record for allowing 5 or more runs in consecutive games!!! unreal, I'm officially calling it on my end (keep up the good fight Al) just want the NFL camps to open and move on from baseball 2017.... a baseball team that can't hit, pitch, coaching just as bad, just let it end.

Thanks for the reminder, I'll get the popcorn ready...............15 runs last night? Ubaldo got the loss, what a shock..................................
 
Before we get too far down the road of whining, what happened in game 6, while memorable, was by no means unusual or as shocking as 28-3; teams come back from two outs and a couple of runs down. Moreover, my example was a team coming back from 3-0 in a WS. That has not taken place. In addition, game 6 was not a deciding game.

If you want to say coming down from 3-1 in games is comparable to coming back from 28-3, I can agree with that conclusion. Recovering from 3-1 is not common but it does happen, last year being the most recent example. 1979 and 1958 also come to mind.

On the question of game 6 itself, the game requires 27 outs and the Sox couldn't nail down the final out. They just weren't as good as the 1986 Mets, who are considered one of the best teams for a single season. If you expect me to feel bad for Red Sox fans, don't look here.

As far as post 1986 the Mets never reached their potential. They should have won in 1987 and definitely in 1988. Just as game 6 is George's cross to bear, game 4 of the NLCS is Mets' fans to bear. As good as they were, they obviously won an imperfect team.

I hate the term "miracle." There was nothing miracle about 1969. They were a better team. They zoomed past the Cubs like they were standing still and handled the Braves and the Orioles with ease. They did it with talent, hard work and a great manager, Gil Hodges, who should be in the HOF, still the best manager they've had in their history.

As far as being lucky, every team always needs a little luck but as Branch Rickey said, luck is the residue of design.
 
Before we get too far down the road of whining, what happened in game 6, while memorable, was by no means unusual or as shocking as 28-3; teams come back from two outs and a couple of runs down. Moreover, my example was a team coming back from 3-0 in a WS. That has not taken place. In addition, game 6 was not a deciding game.

If you want to say coming down from 3-1 in games is comparable to coming back from 28-3, I can agree with that conclusion. Recovering from 3-1 is not common but it does happen, last year being the most recent example. 1979 and 1958 also come to mind.

On the question of game 6 itself, the game requires 27 outs and the Sox couldn't nail down the final out. They just weren't as good as the 1986 Mets, who are considered one of the best teams for a single season. If you expect me to feel bad for Red Sox fans, don't look here.

As far as post 1986 the Mets never reached their potential. They should have won in 1987 and definitely in 1988. Just as game 6 is George's cross to bear, game 4 of the NLCS is Mets' fans to bear. As good as they were, they obviously won an imperfect team.

I hate the term "miracle." There was nothing miracle about 1969. They were a better team. They zoomed past the Cubs like they were standing still and handled the Braves and the Orioles with ease. They did it with talent, hard work and a great manager, Gil Hodges, who should be in the HOF, still the best manager they've had in their history.

As far as being lucky, every team always needs a little luck but as Branch Rickey said, luck is the residue of design.

It is what it is and as Al and I have discussed both on this forum and via PM's, the losses hurt way more than the wins feel good.

The 1986 Red Sox were no tomato cans either; not to mention they were up two games to none heading home for the next three, they had plenty of chances to win games 3 and 4, just could not get the timely hit, I should know, I was at both games as well as game 5 that Hurst won for them to put them up 3-2 heading back to New York.

And I get that injuries are a part of the game, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, but the Red Sox at the trade deadline got Tom Seaver from the White Sox and although he was no longer in his prime, he pitched well for the Red Sox down the stretch and had he not gotten injured and left off the playoff roster, would have gotten the ball for game 4 at Fenway and I'll go to my grave thinking he would have won that game for them, Hurst would have won game 5 and the Red Sox would never have had to go back to New York and Buckner would not have had 10,000 sleepless nights since prior to 2004 and you wouldn't be able to tell me about how there are 27 outs in a game (actually for game 6, it was 30).

But what's done is done, what miracles may be, it's the beauty of sports, no script, you see things that you never thought you'd see, like the Red Sox winning a WS or the sad sack Patriots, the laughing stock of the AFC for years, win not one, not two, not three, not four, but five Super Bowls to date.

It's funny to look at the ups and downs we as fans go through; on Wednesday, the Red Sox bullpen blew a 4-2 lead in the 8th by walking the bases loaded, then giving up a grand slam to lose the game 6-4. As I came downstairs into my workshop looking to smash something into 10,000 pieces (because 10,001 would have been excessive), I heard on sports talk radio "Breaking news; the New England Patriots have come to terms with recently released David Harris, formerly of the NY Jets".........................not going to lie, I literally burst out laughing, the rich get richer, the Patriots signing a guy who is a tackling machine and has missed a whopping 1 game in his entire career, just another of those veteran signings they make..........................what an unbelievable organization.

Ok, back to baseball fellas........................................
 
No, they were no melon cans but in a seven game series the best team usually wins. Not to belabor the point but in 1988 the Mets beat the Didgers 11 out of 12 in the regular season and were the best team in MLB but the Dodgers beat them in the NLCs so I guess they weren't. Same thing in 2015. The Mets led in every game but couldn't get that 27th out so obviously they weren't the best team. That's the just the way it is sometimes. Over and done with.
 
Clippard got hammered again today. No wonder his prior teams weren't anxious to hang onto him. I'm sure the Yankees will be looking for bullpen help come the deadline.
 
Clippard got hammered again today. No wonder his prior teams weren't anxious to hang onto him. I'm sure the Yankees will be looking for bullpen help come the deadline.
Clippard had been lights out prior to his last half-dozen games and especially his last 3. He could just be in a slump, dead arm, or whatever. At any rate, I'm sure the Nats would love to have their old set-up man back. :wink2: -- Al
 
Fun with numbers: If the O's set the record of consecutive 5 run games allowed tomorrow at 21, it will be the second dubious record the O's own at 21. They opened the 1988 season with 21 straight losses, the AL record. They will replace the Phillies with the first record and actually the Phillies own the MLB record for losses to begin a season, 23 in 1961. Not sure being mentioned along with the Phillies with these dubious records is something the O's should aspire to. :rolleyes2: -- Al
Some good news, finally, for the O's beleaguered pitching staff as Bundy went 7 strong and gave up only 3 runs. The O's pen did their job and the cursed streak thus ends with the O's having to only share the 93 year old record. At least that's better than owning it outright. O's win 8-3. The streak is dead. -- Al
 
Some good news, finally, for the O's beleaguered pitching staff as Bundy went 7 strong and gave up only 3 runs. The O's pen did their job and the cursed streak thus ends with the O's having to only share the 93 year old record. At least that's better than owning it outright. O's win 8-3. The streak is dead. -- Al

I guess that is something to cheer about ^&grin...I don't know?? as mad as I was last night after another dismal performance one little win can brighten the day, who knows, O'day, Britton, C. Davis are all on the mend and hope to see all of them back before the break possibly?? if Boston loses tonight were only 5 out and that's pretty much unbelievable{eek3}{eek3} so move over Al, I'm getting back on the wagon. :):)
 
I guess that is something to cheer about ^&grin...I don't know?? as mad as I was last night after another dismal performance one little win can brighten the day, who knows, O'day, Britton, C. Davis are all on the mend and hope to see all of them back before the break possibly?? if Boston loses tonight were only 5 out and that's pretty much unbelievable{eek3}{eek3} so move over Al, I'm getting back on the wagon. :):)
Important to get those three guys back. The defense at 1st base has suffered since Davis went down and we know the problems with the pen, so the O's got to have those 3 back. -- Al
 
I can't believe all the Angel fans at Fenway tonight. I can only assume there must have been a special tour to go to Boston.

I wanted to go see the Angels play at Yankee Stadium Thursday but I didn't feel like taking my life in my hands; NY fans can be obnoxious: my son has been on the receiving end of comments from Yankees and Mets fans when he wears his Trout jersey.
 
I wanted to go see the Angels play at Yankee Stadium Thursday but I didn't feel like taking my life in my hands; NY fans can be obnoxious........

That always amazes me about fans; so a guy wearing a Trout jersey would get bombarded with comments.

Live and let live, it's only sports. I've been to hundreds of sporting events and seen all kinds of opposing fans wearing team colors, player jerseys and have never, as in ever, thought about making a comment.

Just idiotic.
 
This article about the prevalence of strikeouts and HRs should be cause for concern.

Standstill: The Pace of Play.
Very interesting article. I found the most stunning stat was that only 15 pitchers totaled 200 or more innings last year. That is simply unbelievable but speaks directly to the absurd trend towards 5 inning starting pitchers. I'm sure home runs, strikeouts, and longer time between pitches is slowing the game down but I think it is the constant and unending parade of pitching changes that is the real pace killer. -- Al
 
That always amazes me about fans; so a guy wearing a Trout jersey would get bombarded with comments.

Live and let live, it's only sports. I've been to hundreds of sporting events and seen all kinds of opposing fans wearing team colors, player jerseys and have never, as in ever, thought about making a comment.

Just idiotic.

When we were leaving Citi Field a month or so ago when the Angels were in town, after the game was over and the Angels had lost, a Mets fan said to him "oh, your team wasn't so good tonight." Just silly.
 
When we were leaving Citi Field a month or so ago when the Angels were in town, after the game was over and the Angels had lost, a Mets fan said to him "oh, your team wasn't so good tonight." Just silly.

I just don't get it, did it make the quality of that guys life any better?

What about the poor guy who was beaten into a coma after leaving Dodger stadium because he was wearing Giants gear a few years ago, I think he was an EMT? That's just pathetic on so many levels I lost count.........................
 
Unfortunately it's not as safe as it used to be to go to a ballgame.
 
As Louis says, no use in taking the standings to serious until the break, but my never say never, old crippled, die hard Orioles keep trying to keep it interesting, with a run scoring differential of a negative -65 next to last in the AL only to the A's by 7 runs, worst pitching ERA in the league, the O's find themselves only 4 out at the beginning of the week{eek3}, not even looking at WC as that changes daily it seems, if this team can just get a bit of luck back from injuries, and a few starters can hold a lead or just not give up 5-9 runs!!! who knows.
 

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