Agree with George's evaluation. Several years ago, nothing would have been thought of it, but rules have been changed specifically to protect the catcher and this slide just was wrong according to the rules. I Really not a hard call in today's game. -- Al
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MLB has come out and said it should have been an automatic DP; two runs scored on that horseshit slide, a lot of good that's doing the Pirates now.
Lucky he didn't break an ankle there.
Anytime you come out of the baseline and slide leading with your knees, that's a recipe for disaster.
I hope he gets drilled....................I'm sure Maddon will rant and rave if that happens.
Can't stand him.
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Maddon was on TV last night saying that it was perfectly legal. He also said that the fans that booed Rizzo were simply misinformed about the rule and he was concerned that they were being taught the wrong way of seeing it.
Oops.
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the Yankees have 5 errors tonight...
it's only the 7th inning...
and still a close game...
it's only the 7th inning...
and still a close game...
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make it 6 now...{eek3}
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The AAAstros have a rotation like the 1990's Braves.
Sadly, they have a bullpen like the 1990's Braves as well, which was a tire fire tonight, giving up two runs to the MFY's in the bottom of the ninth to tie it, then one in the bottom of the tenth to hand them the win.
It warms the cockles of my heart the way the MFY's pull games out of their collective ***** time after time in the bottom of the ninth.
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George...
you nailed that one...
can't tell you how many games I have watched their bullpen blow...
can't even understand the logic in bringing in a closer sometimes...
maybe it's the starter's pitch count...
or some obscure stats that their geek mathematician crew studies...
or maybe that's just the way it's done...
but I can't think of anything more infuriating...
than bringing in a fresh face/cold arm...
to blow the game in the last inning...
one relief pitcher threw to one guy...
struck him out...
and they pulled him for another relief pitcher!
I just don't get it...
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The Astros are fourth in the majors with a 3.02 bullpen ERA,
but they dropped to 4-11 in one-run games and 1-4 in extra-inning games.
The pen entered the night 19th in the majors in Win Probability Added.
So at the minimum, there's the feeling that the pen hasn't been clutch.
but they dropped to 4-11 in one-run games and 1-4 in extra-inning games.
The pen entered the night 19th in the majors in Win Probability Added.
So at the minimum, there's the feeling that the pen hasn't been clutch.
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At least their fans can lose sight of those numbers as the glare from the 2017 World Series Trophy gets in their eyes.
^&grin
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The Mets have become unwatchable. I returned home from a business dinner in Philly to see the pen blow another lead, a four run lead at that. On top of that Syndergaard has gone on the DL, with Matz soon to follow. The abyss is opening up. That makes 11 on the DL but like I told Al, no one cares. This team is hard to like and it’s not fun to watch. It’s more fun to watch the young players on the Yankees.
One of the morning hosts went on a rat about what was he thinking when he decided to root for the Mets in 1962 when he could have easily rooted for the Yankees. My thoughts entirely. I wish my parents hadn’t been NL fans.
One of the morning hosts went on a rat about what was he thinking when he decided to root for the Mets in 1962 when he could have easily rooted for the Yankees. My thoughts entirely. I wish my parents hadn’t been NL fans.
Injuries suck and can easily rob a team of it's potential. I was reading this AM that the Nats have the third most accumulated DL days (524) in MLB this season, behind Texas and San Diego. Fortunately, the replacement players have stepped up and done a good job over the last month, but more importantly, the SP's have stayed healthy and have provided the basis for the team's ability to stay in the race. I know the Mets SP's have been injury prone over the last couple of seasons, and that compromises the teams chances. A team might overcome position player injuries but it's tough to overcome pitching injuries. The Nats have, so far, been lucky in this regard. Hopefully, the Syndergaard and Matz injuries are short term. -- Al
Similar to the Nats. Excellent SP but a hit or miss bullpen, though I'm sure the Nats would be thrilled with a 3.02 bullpen ERA. We have the same type 1-run and extra inning problems. We are 7-10 in 1-run games and 1-3 in extra innings. The bullpen has also failed to hold the opposition close in many games, making comebacks all but impossible. Great starting pitchers, a so-so bullpen...:rolleyes2: -- Al
Beats me how any team in Florida can turn a profit. Attendance figures for both teams are a disgrace. Tampa Bay draws a pitiful 14,000 a game, pretty bad, but much better than Miami, which is drawing a ridiculous 10,500 a game. Why doesn't MLB just admit defeat and let those teams move out of state? What a joke. -- Al
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They baby pitchers in MLB these days, seems like everyone in the bullpen has a set role, whether it's a lefty specialist or a closer or an 8th inning guy.
The Astros I'm sure will make a deal at the deadline to fix their bullpen; their starting rotation is incredible, all you can hope for as an opposing team is to drive up the pitch count and get to that bullpen.
Fix the bullpen and they go back to the WS again; if they don't, the MFY's will pull two or three games in the ALCS out of their collective ***** and move on for a shot at their TWENTY EIGHTH WS title, talk about exciting!!...........................................................ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................
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Nah, stick with the horse you rode in on; when they win a WS title, it's much more rewarding that you stuck with them.
What fun is it being a fan of Microsoft?
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Further to George's point, a team's pitchers have defined roles. You want the starter to go six or seven. However, that's even started to change because as Al noted a week or so ago, stats bear out that a pitcher loses effectiveness the third time through the order; the batters have gotten a good look at him in their first two ABs. In addition, the benchmark for number of pitches thrown per game is around 100; it used to be 125. If you're a contending team, you don't want to wear out your starters by August. Verlander is an anachronism; the pitchers who can go eight or nine -- the standard 30-50 years ago -- are a dying breed, if not almost completely extinct.
In addition, the relief pitchers have defined roles. You need a bridge between the starter and the closer. In the last few years, the emphasis is on having a 7th inning pitcher and a 8th inning pitcher. As you don't want to overtax them either, the closer comes in for the 9th. It used to be that a closer -- then called a fireman -- would come in the middle of an inning when there were runners on base. No more, for the most part; that's the job of the 8th inning pitcher. Closers now come in at the beginning of an inning.
Assembling an effective bullpen is probably one of the hardest -- but most important -- jobs for a GM. You cannot simply go with the pen you used the year before. It doesn't work that way for some reason. A pitcher that may be effective one year may be terrible the next and vice versa.
In addition, the relief pitchers have defined roles. You need a bridge between the starter and the closer. In the last few years, the emphasis is on having a 7th inning pitcher and a 8th inning pitcher. As you don't want to overtax them either, the closer comes in for the 9th. It used to be that a closer -- then called a fireman -- would come in the middle of an inning when there were runners on base. No more, for the most part; that's the job of the 8th inning pitcher. Closers now come in at the beginning of an inning.
Assembling an effective bullpen is probably one of the hardest -- but most important -- jobs for a GM. You cannot simply go with the pen you used the year before. It doesn't work that way for some reason. A pitcher that may be effective one year may be terrible the next and vice versa.
Good points, Brad. Bullpens are really strange. What is lights out one year can be useless the next. Last year, when the Nats dealt to fix their pen, they obtained Kintzler, Madson, and Doolittle. They worked the 7th, 8th, and 9th and were very effective, This year, only Doolittle (the closer) has been anywhere near as effective. Kintzler has been hit or miss, Madson hit or miss until he got injured. As a result the pen has been catch as catch can all year. The Nats have struggled with their bullpen for the last few seasons, it's just an ongoing experiment. Teams with a set, effective bullpen, are fortunate but it's hard to achieve. -- Al