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Disappointing end to this series. This series was lost in game 4. You can blame Laz Diaz but two runs were not enough. Reminds me of game 4 of the NLCS between Dodgers and Mets. The Mets had a 2-1 lead in games, a 3-1 lead in game 4 and had a chance to add more but couldn’t drive them in. Dodgers tied it up in the 9th and won in the 12th or 13th inning. Had the Mets been able to score that one extra run in the 6th, they probably win the game and the series. Well, they didn’t and it was downhill from there. Same thing happened in this series unfortunately.
 
Sorry George, I guess Karma owes you one next year, that called ball changed the entire series..sucks as I was hoping to see Boston in the World Series, if this goes Atlanta vs.Houston I'll be a bit disappointed, (sorry Mike) but was really pulling for a ol school Dodgers/Sox World Series..oh well...
 
Disappointing end to this series. This series was lost in game 4. You can blame Laz Diaz but two runs were not enough. Reminds me of game 4 of the NLCS between Dodgers and Mets. The Mets had a 2-1 lead in games, a 3-1 lead in game 4 and had a chance to add more but couldn’t drive them in. Dodgers tied it up in the 9th and won in the 12th or 13th inning. Had the Mets been able to score that one extra run in the 6th, they probably win the game and the series. Well, they didn’t and it was downhill from there. Same thing happened in this series unfortunately.


The Red Sox were outscored 23-3 in the last three games. I don't think one strike call made any difference. They were demolished by the better team. Every team gets a bad call here and there.
 
The Red Sox were outscored 23-3 in the last three games. I don't think one strike call made any difference. They were demolished by the better team. Every team gets a bad call here and there.

Disagree...3rd strike called, game is tied 2-2 goes to the 9th..anything can happen, different pitchers, different scenarios, let's say Sox win game 4?? Then what? I agree lots of plays are called in a 9 inning game but when the ones that change the total outcome then we talking different ball game as they say..Astros don't go ahead in the 8th and the 9th inning is void....I agree the better team won the series, as Stros played great ball 5,6 game...but I'd like to seen the outcome play out if the strike was called.
 
Sammy...karma was served up...you just missed it...
don't trust me...look it up for yourself...
go to ESPN.com....click on box score...click on play by play...
they show every pitch...identified the pitch and showed where it landed in the box...

Astros leading 1-0 in the first on Bregman homer...

2 outs bottom of the 1st...
Devers batting...

the exact same spot that Grienke threw to Devers in the bottom of the 1st inning...
his 5th pitch to Devers...a 4 seam fastball...
it was in the box...clearly in the strike box...should of been called a strike...
ump called it a ball...and Devers walked...
Devers got a miscalled pitch and was awarded 1st base...
tough break for the Astros...
next at bat...Bogaerts homered...
instead of a 1-1 score now...it was now 2-1...Red sox winning...
ump's bad call on Grienke...cost the Astros an extra run on Bogarts homer...

in the 8th Astros tied it up with an Altuve homer...
Astros should of been ahead 2-1...without the bad call for Grienke walking Devers...
should of been a solo home run by Bogaerts...

Astros with 2 outs in the 9th...
Eovaldi's 4th pitch to Castro...a curve ball...
same exact spot as he called a ball pitch on Castro earlier...
the exact same spot...he again called it a ball...
let me say it again...
the same exact spot...
look it up yourself if you don't believe me...

2 pitches later...
Castro got a single and the rest is history...
what you think cost the Red Sox the game...
Castro got the same funky call break on location as Devers did...

that's karma...

in the post game...Alex Rodriguez mentioned this...even the Red Sox God...Big Papi agreed with him...
both saying the Astros got screwed...which cost them an extra run on a bad call walk on an obvious strike...
same exact spot as Devers...

take that bonus run the Red Sox got in the 1st...and Boston only scored 1 run that game...
Altuve's home run should have made the score 2-1...Astro's favor...

call him a bad strike zone ump if you want...but he was consistent on those pitches...
and karma came back to correct it...

the truth is...The Red Sox couldn't score against ("these stiffs") on the Astro's pitching staff...
couldn't handle Houston's pitching...
looked like my grandmother trying to kill a fly with a crooked flyswatter...
rest of the series...
Boston scored 1 run in 25 innings...

when you lay all your hopes and dreams on one pitch...that's pretty desperate...
but the Astros got screwed on the same pitch...

don't believe me...look it up on ESPN...
 
Sammy...karma was served up...you just missed it...
don't trust me...look it up for yourself...
go to ESPN.com....click on box score...click on play by play...
they show every pitch...identified the pitch and showed where it landed in the box...

Astros leading 1-0 in the first on Bregman homer...

2 outs bottom of the 1st...
Devers batting...

the exact same spot that Grienke threw to Devers in the bottom of the 1st inning...
his 5th pitch to Devers...a 4 seam fastball...
it was in the box...clearly in the strike box...should of been called a strike...
ump called it a ball...and Devers walked...
Devers got a miscalled pitch and was awarded 1st base...
tough break for the Astros...
next at bat...Bogaerts homered...
instead of a 1-1 score now...it was now 2-1...Red sox winning...
ump's bad call on Grienke...cost the Astros an extra run on Bogarts homer...

in the 8th Astros tied it up with an Altuve homer...
Astros should of been ahead 2-1...without the bad call for Grienke walking Devers...
should of been a solo home run by Bogaerts...

Astros with 2 outs in the 9th...
Eovaldi's 4th pitch to Castro...a curve ball...
same exact spot as he called a ball pitch on Castro earlier...
the exact same spot...he again called it a ball...
let me say it again...
the same exact spot...
look it up yourself if you don't believe me...

2 pitches later...
Castro got a single and the rest is history...
what you think cost the Red Sox the game...
Castro got the same funky call break on location as Devers did...

that's karma...

in the post game...Alex Rodriguez mentioned this...even the Red Sox God...Big Papi agreed with him...
both saying the Astros got screwed...which cost them an extra run on a bad call walk on an obvious strike...
same exact spot as Devers...

take that bonus run the Red Sox got in the 1st...and Boston only scored 1 run that game...
Altuve's home run should have made the score 2-1...Astro's favor...

call him a bad strike zone ump if you want...but he was consistent on those pitches...
and karma came back to correct it...

the truth is...The Red Sox couldn't score against ("these stiffs") on the Astro's pitching staff...
couldn't handle Houston's pitching...
looked like my grandmother trying to kill a fly with a crooked flyswatter...
rest of the series...
Boston scored 1 run in 25 innings...

when you lay all your hopes and dreams on one pitch...that's pretty desperate...
but the Astros got screwed on the same pitch...

don't believe me...look it up on ESPN...

Well you certainly done your homework Mike!! I'll give you that, maybe having a Umpire that knows what the hell he is doing might just save all of us from the argument.
 
P.S. Mike..my hopes and dreams were dashed before May 1st was complete with my Orioles..only dog in this fight is to watch a good series.
 
The Red Sox were outscored 23-3 in the last three games. I don't think one strike call made any difference. They were demolished by the better team. Every team gets a bad call here and there.

If you will read my post I said two runs were not enough. I didn’t completely blame it on Diaz but his call certainly changed things around and a call can make a difference. The Astros were better in the last two games, no question, but it’s a different series if the Sox had been up 3-1.

I just hope LA can come through so they can repay them for how they cheated in 2017.
 
Pretty ironic that the Red Sox season had bookend starts and finishes; opened the season with three strait frustrating losses to start the season when the bats were asleep and three strait frustrating losses to end the season when the bats were asleep.

I don't ever in my life recall seeing a team go from red hot to a dumpster fire offensively, they were putting up historic post season numbers, their numbers to end the season were historic too, as in historically bad.

How does a team 1-9 tear the cover off the ball and then 1-9 look like dogshit in the blink of an eye?

Someone needs to explain to me how two tomato cans like Valdez who was leaking more oil off the side of his face in game 4 than the Exxon Valdez and Jose Greco Garcia with his salsa dance moves and his arms glowing with something on them end up looking like Koufax and Drysdale. He's got pretty good dance moves for a guy who had to opt out of game two with a knee injury; whatever the team doctor gave him for that, sign me up.

A commentator last night mentioned they made "adjustments".............right, sure they did, it was "adjustments" that turned two tomato cans from pieces of charcoal to diamonds.

It was a fun ride, I predicted they'd finish 4th in the division, they finished second, knocked off the Yankees and the 100 Win Tampa Bay Devil Rays and took the Astros and their "adjustments" to six games, they were up 2-1 and it was right there for the taking.

Too bad, these chances don't come along very often.

It is what it is.

And I have no doubt the Dodgers, who now have to do another bullpen game as Scherzer's arm fell off, will pull this series out of their collective *****, but hey, when you have a 350 million dollar payroll, miracles happen.

IF that happens and the Braves are out, then for the second year in a row, I'm done with baseball.

Imagine subjecting myself to that WS matchup and having to listen to the announcers drone on about how the RS traded Mookie Betts to the Dodgers and he's about to win back to back WS titles, 2020* and 2021, or how the Astros came back from the dead thanks to the efforts of Exxon Valdez and Jose Greco and even though they are historic cheaters, they are about to win yet another World Series.

Where's that meteor strike me and Al talked about.

Call me a sore loser; I think it was one of the greatest winners of all time Vince Lombardi who said, "Show me someone who's a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

As my Dad always told me, always go out on a high note; so how's that for you Sammy?............:wink2:

And thanks for pulling for my Red Sox, it's hard to win when the other team makes "adjustments."
 
Pretty ironic that the Red Sox season had bookend starts and finishes; opened the season with three strait frustrating losses to start the season when the bats were asleep and three strait frustrating losses to end the season when the bats were asleep.

I don't ever in my life recall seeing a team go from red hot to a dumpster fire offensively, they were putting up historic post season numbers, their numbers to end the season were historic too, as in historically bad.

How does a team 1-9 tear the cover off the ball and then 1-9 look like dogshit in the blink of an eye?

Someone needs to explain to me how two tomato cans like Valdez who was leaking more oil off the side of his face in game 4 than the Exxon Valdez and Jose Greco Garcia with his salsa dance moves and his arms glowing with something on them end up looking like Koufax and Drysdale. He's got pretty good dance moves for a guy who had to opt out of game two with a knee injury; whatever the team doctor gave him for that, sign me up.

A commentator last night mentioned they made "adjustments".............right, sure they did, it was "adjustments" that turned two tomato cans from pieces of charcoal to diamonds.

It was a fun ride, I predicted they'd finish 4th in the division, they finished second, knocked off the Yankees and the 100 Win Tampa Bay Devil Rays and took the Astros and their "adjustments" to six games, they were up 2-1 and it was right there for the taking.

Too bad, these chances don't come along very often.

It is what it is.

And I have no doubt the Dodgers, who now have to do another bullpen game as Scherzer's arm fell off, will pull this series out of their collective *****, but hey, when you have a 350 million dollar payroll, miracles happen.

IF that happens and the Braves are out, then for the second year in a row, I'm done with baseball.

Imagine subjecting myself to that WS matchup and having to listen to the announcers drone on about how the RS traded Mookie Betts to the Dodgers and he's about to win back to back WS titles, 2020* and 2021, or how the Astros came back from the dead thanks to the efforts of Exxon Valdez and Jose Greco and even though they are historic cheaters, they are about to win yet another World Series.

Where's that meteor strike me and Al talked about.

Call me a sore loser; I think it was one of the greatest winners of all time Vince Lombardi who said, "Show me someone who's a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

As my Dad always told me, always go out on a high note; so how's that for you Sammy?............:wink2:

And thanks for pulling for my Red Sox, it's hard to win when the other team makes "adjustments."

Your Dad has wise words George, ❤ come on hang out on the couch with the rest of us I've kept it warm for you since April🤣🤣🤣
 
Hmm, I thought you were done with this thread:

Brad...

I thought you just asked me a question...didn't you?
did you not want a reply?

truthfully...I got relentlessly baited on here...
so many times through the Red Sox series...
that I felt compelled to reply...

I know you have quit this forum...
several times...
and found your way home after a time...
but you very well might have done the same thing...huh?

me posting on here...
it couldn't be a felony...
I'll take my chances that hopefully it's only a misdemeanor...:wink2:
 
Brad...

I thought you just asked me a question...didn't you?
did you not want a reply?

truthfully...I got relentlessly baited on here...
so many times through the Red Sox series...
that I felt compelled to reply...

I know you have quit this forum...
several times...
and found your way home after a time...
but you very well might have done the same thing...huh?

me posting on here...
it couldn't be a felony...
I'll take my chances that hopefully it's only a misdemeanor...:wink2:

Mike, I'm glad you continue to post on the Baseball thread, ..one thing I've learned since I joined this forum in 2007 I've certainly had a few bumps and bruises with one or two guys on here 🤣 ( miss my buddy Mitch) ..but once you enter the sports world all bets are off as I believe we are pretty passionate of our sports teams, but in the end you know most all the guys here are strait up solid dudes, just like George, he can push every button on your team, player, but he can take it as well, ya just gotta take them boys from Boston with a different attitude 🤣 but it the end George is one of the nicest guys you'll know on this forum, as goes for Tom, Brad, Al, and so on...including yourself, not to many ol timers left on the forum, we will certainly never all agree on the Sports world but we're still a small group that shares many a thing in common besides Soorts.
 
Brad...

I thought you just asked me a question...didn't you?
did you not want a reply?

truthfully...I got relentlessly baited on here...
so many times through the Red Sox series...
that I felt compelled to reply...

I know you have quit this forum...
several times...
and found your way home after a time...
but you very well might have done the same thing...huh?

me posting on here...
it couldn't be a felony...
I'll take my chances that hopefully it's only a misdemeanor...:wink2:

Well, they say a good defense is a good offense.

C’mon on, it’s not life and death, only sports, kidding each other back and forth. If we were all in a bar doing this we’d be laughing about it and having a good time.
 
C’mon on, it’s not life and death, only sports, kidding each other back and forth. If we were all in a bar doing this we’d be laughing about it and having a good time.


you're probably right...
I just can't stand bad sports and sore losers...
when someone tries to demean you every time your favorite team succeeds...
it gets old really quick...
I tried to be quiet and just take the barbs...
I tried to be a humble sport and exit with a sincere congratulation...
and just got baited again for my efforts...
you reap what you so...
 
I would remiss if I didn’t congratulate Mike on the Astros winning the pennant and offering condolences to both George and Doug. The biggest shock for me is seeing the Dodgers eliminated but with all their injuries I suppose it was foreseeable.

I can’t see watching much of the WS. The last thing I want to see, for sure, is the Braves winning. I wouldn’t mind Houston winning, just so Dusty can get a title.
 
Got to congratulate the boys from the South, as Houston and Atlanta win through for the WS title bout. No dog in the fight but I would like to see Dusty be able to add a title to his resume. By the same token, I wouldn't throw a fit if the highly likeable Freddy Freeman was to win and give the NL East another title. I rather imagine the TV people are having worries with no LA or NY teams in the WS. -- Al
 

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