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The good thing about a story, be it a piece of written fiction or a movie, is that you can enjoy it on various levels and discuss endlessly what the creator is trying to say. That's what we usually do with a written work and that usually bring us endless pleasure as we interpret a particular passage. The same thing may be going on here. To a certain extent it's in the eye of the reader or the beholder.
 
The good thing about a story, be it a piece of written fiction or a movie, is that you can enjoy it on various levels and discuss endlessly what the creator is trying to say. That's what we usually do with a written work and that usually bring us endless pleasure as we interpret a particular passage.

I agree, I personally agree with Rutledge, but I believe fiction is up to interpretation. A great example of this is the Crucible....

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Vick
 
Avatar leading to depression

Why, oh why can’t people on Earth move to the planet Pandora – a utopia of peace-loving people in the future in the movie Avatar?

Because it’s a movie? It’s not real.

Still, on Web sites dedicated to the movie, fans have post after post from people who are now depressed -- sometimes so much that they say they have considered suicide – and are looking for ways to cope.

There were 52 pages of comments on avatar-forums.com when it was closed to any more postings. The site offered “ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible.”

Several news organizations, including Psychology Today, are writing about the the response of fans to a movie that brought in $1 billion in the first four weeks it was out. Many of the posters write that they have seen Avatar multiple times – four, five or six times.

They all say they were moved.

“The day after I saw Avatar, I was completely depressed,” Toruk Makto wrote on avatar-forums.com. “I looked at my hands and thought ‘What I wouldn't give...’, going and seeing again, and again, it makes me feel good… ‘Waking up’ afterwords is extremely hard to do.”

Mike posted on Naviblue.com that he had been depressed since seeing the movie and wanted to be one of the Na’vi, the blue-skinned folk inhabiting Pandora. “I can’t stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all the tears and shivers I got from it. I even contemplated suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora”

Nancy Schimelpfening, who writes on the topic of suicide for about.com, was outraged at the reaction and said some fans were making light of suicide.

“My first reaction?,” Schimelpfening wrote. “You've got to be joking! I don't want to minimize anyone's experience of depression -- maybe they are already prone to depression and the realism of the movie is simply contributing to what they are already feeling? -- but, to me, this seems to making light of what is in reality a very serious condition.”

Posters also opined about the beauty of Pandora and vowed to be like the people.

“Start living like Neytiri: in touch with nature, the environment, and not being greedy and wasteful,” Neytiri proposed on the forums. “Pass on the burger, for something more healthy for you and less cruel to animals. Spend your time on this forum, or volunteering in your free time, instead of getting high or drinking, twiddling your thumbs, being apathetic and complaining about how bad the world is. Don't get swept away by the wave of negativity, live your dream. Your life has only two switches, to shine or not to shine.”

Someone posting under the name Elquin tried to offer some perspective, however, pointing out scenes of characters “getting chased and devoured by a Toruk.”

“People do forget how dangerous Pandora is,” Elquin wrote. “Jake is almost killed by a Titanthere and a Thanator in the first few minutes after being on Pandora. Then a few hours later he is almost killed by Neytiri and a pack of viperwolves. So in the space of a few hours he could have been killed four times. And I haven't even included the time when Tsu'tey attacked him, and he was even with Neytiri at the time. Also, when the Toruk chased Neytiri and Jake, it showed that even the Na'vi could be potentially be victims of predators on Pandora. They are by no means immune.”

But to deal with Avatar depression, one poster suggested watching a sunset or the stars, reading a book, walking in the woods, starting a garden or raising chickens.
 
It's good when something comes to make people think some, maybe change their ways some but come on it's a **** movie,get real.
Mark
 
It's good when something comes to make people think some, maybe change their ways some but come on it's a **** movie,get real.
Mark
You are quite right Mark. What is truly depressing is when they use a movie as a substitute for thinking or even worse, an excuse for why they can't cope.:eek::(
 
Yes I agree with you.I love movies.Some make me happy,some make sad,some get my blood flowing,some scare me,some even make me mad but at the end of it it's still a movie and you have to come back to the realities of your own life.No movie is going to destroy my life.
Mark
 
It's good when something comes to make people think some, maybe change their ways some but come on it's a **** movie,get real.
Mark

Not to put too dramatic a point on it, but do you think Hitler and Goebbels would have concurred that they are "just movies"?
 
Were they not pyschopaths?
Mark

I dont know if they were clinically pyscopaths. Do you? Probably they were. But were they still geniuses at manipulating people thru mass media? Absolutely. Goebbels had power beyond any General in the nazi party. Basically because Hitler recognized the power of a good pr machine.

Movies have been used as propoganda, or to advocate a point of view, subtley or not, just like all media sources have. One could say: "Its just a book, or just a play, or just a whatever". You can dismiss pretty much everything with that sentiment.

Im not advocating book/movie banning or censoring, by any means. But recall the old saying: The pen is mightier than the sword. There is a lot of truth to it. That is exactly why people can have strong emotional or intellectual responses to movies, beyond just the story itself.
 
Re: Avatar leading to depression

Why, oh why can’t people on Earth move to the planet Pandora – a utopia of peace-loving people in the future in the movie Avatar?

Because it’s a movie? It’s not real.

Still, on Web sites dedicated to the movie, fans have post after post from people who are now depressed -- sometimes so much that they say they have considered suicide – and are looking for ways to cope.

There were 52 pages of comments on avatar-forums.com when it was closed to any more postings. The site offered “ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible.”

Several news organizations, including Psychology Today, are writing about the the response of fans to a movie that brought in $1 billion in the first four weeks it was out. Many of the posters write that they have seen Avatar multiple times – four, five or six times.

They all say they were moved.

“The day after I saw Avatar, I was completely depressed,” Toruk Makto wrote on avatar-forums.com. “I looked at my hands and thought ‘What I wouldn't give...’, going and seeing again, and again, it makes me feel good… ‘Waking up’ afterwords is extremely hard to do.”

Mike posted on Naviblue.com that he had been depressed since seeing the movie and wanted to be one of the Na’vi, the blue-skinned folk inhabiting Pandora. “I can’t stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all the tears and shivers I got from it. I even contemplated suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora”

Nancy Schimelpfening, who writes on the topic of suicide for about.com, was outraged at the reaction and said some fans were making light of suicide.

“My first reaction?,” Schimelpfening wrote. “You've got to be joking! I don't want to minimize anyone's experience of depression -- maybe they are already prone to depression and the realism of the movie is simply contributing to what they are already feeling? -- but, to me, this seems to making light of what is in reality a very serious condition.”

Posters also opined about the beauty of Pandora and vowed to be like the people.

“Start living like Neytiri: in touch with nature, the environment, and not being greedy and wasteful,” Neytiri proposed on the forums. “Pass on the burger, for something more healthy for you and less cruel to animals. Spend your time on this forum, or volunteering in your free time, instead of getting high or drinking, twiddling your thumbs, being apathetic and complaining about how bad the world is. Don't get swept away by the wave of negativity, live your dream. Your life has only two switches, to shine or not to shine.”

Someone posting under the name Elquin tried to offer some perspective, however, pointing out scenes of characters “getting chased and devoured by a Toruk.”

“People do forget how dangerous Pandora is,” Elquin wrote. “Jake is almost killed by a Titanthere and a Thanator in the first few minutes after being on Pandora. Then a few hours later he is almost killed by Neytiri and a pack of viperwolves. So in the space of a few hours he could have been killed four times. And I haven't even included the time when Tsu'tey attacked him, and he was even with Neytiri at the time. Also, when the Toruk chased Neytiri and Jake, it showed that even the Na'vi could be potentially be victims of predators on Pandora. They are by no means immune.”

But to deal with Avatar depression, one poster suggested watching a sunset or the stars, reading a book, walking in the woods, starting a garden or raising chickens.

Boy, suicide????, I guess there are a lot of deranged, depressed people out there! Yes, it's only a movie! Don't these people have other serious things to hold on to? That's probably their drama. But what do I know...


Paulo
 
The reaction seems extreme but there are movies that do trigger reactions in people. After all, we do have people dress up as Trekkies and live their life like that. As long as they don't take any drastic actions or harm themselves or others, it seems relatively harmless

Your visiting these sites Rutledge brings to mind the oft quoted line "he doth protest too much." :D
 
Sorry Rutledge, but I just don't get the Nazi Germany references...

This seems to be the line of reasoning (please correct me if I am wrong)

1) The movie Avatar is propaganda
2) Nazi Germany had propaganda
so...
3) Avatar is like Nazi Germany

Propaganda in and of itself is not positive or negative...it just is.

A definition...the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

It seems that people cry propaganda when they disagree with it, but there is all sorts of propaganda that I fully agree with. Uncle Sam posters...propaganda. My weekly preaching at my church...propaganda. A lot of the 'spin' coming out of Washington DC...propaganda on both sides of the aisle.

What I'm trying to say is that comparing any propaganda to Nazi Germany doesn't work. If the propaganda in question has evil undertones which seek to destroy lives, then we may have a comparison.

Nazi Germany gets a lot of play because they are the epitome of evil. The tendancy is to compare anything we don't like to them, even though often the comparisons simply boil down to 'two things I don't like or agree with.'
 
The reaction seems extreme but there are movies that do trigger reactions in people. After all, we do have people dress up as Trekkies and live their life like that. As long as they don't take any drastic actions or harm themselves or others, it seems relatively harmless

Your visiting these sites Rutledge brings to mind the oft quoted line "he doth protest too much." :D

What sites would those be Brad? The articles I brought to the fore here were/are found on sites such as The Atlanta Journal and MSNBC. Clearly "mainstream". Gosh, I dont think that makes me anything but cognizant and aware.

Really my primary point is that the movie does have an underlying message. While I dont happen to agree with it, others are welcome to have a different view. Its those who see no message in the movie at all with whom I take issue.
 
Sorry Rutledge, but I just don't get the Nazi Germany references...

This seems to be the line of reasoning (please correct me if I am wrong)

1) The movie Avatar is propaganda
2) Nazi Germany had propaganda
so...
3) Avatar is like Nazi Germany

Propaganda in and of itself is not positive or negative...it just is.

A definition...the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

It seems that people cry propaganda when they disagree with it, but there is all sorts of propaganda that I fully agree with. Uncle Sam posters...propaganda. My weekly preaching at my church...propaganda. A lot of the 'spin' coming out of Washington DC...propaganda on both sides of the aisle.

What I'm trying to say is that comparing any propaganda to Nazi Germany doesn't work. If the propaganda in question has evil undertones which seek to destroy lives, then we may have a comparison.

Nazi Germany gets a lot of play because they are the epitome of evil. The tendancy is to compare anything we don't like to them, even though often the comparisons simply boil down to 'two things I don't like or agree with.'

Hardly my point Peter. I used the Nazi reference because it is a common topic on this site. I would not have used it elsewhere.

My point was, Avatar contains a "hidden meaning". Call it propoganda, call it whatever you like, there was a message. Your preaching Im sure contains a message, subtle or not. But to deny it contains a message would be false, wouldnt it? Same here.

In fact Avatar's message was clearly anti-nazi. Where I found fault was that IMO, it poistioned technological advancement, capitalism and the military as inherently nazi-like, ie, racist and destructive.
 
What sites would those be Brad? The articles I brought to the fore here were/are found on sites such as The Atlanta Journal and MSNBC. Clearly "mainstream". Gosh, I dont think that makes me anything but cognizant and aware.

Really my primary point is that the movie does have an underlying message. While I dont happen to agree with it, others are welcome to have a different view. Its those who see no message in the movie at all with whom I take issue.
Fine so you are cognizant and aware. So why would you mind if, god forbid, people chose to treat a movie as entertainment?:eek::D
 
People can take the movie however they like. Love it, hate it, dont see it, whatever.

But can I then ask why some decry those who DO see a message? One that they dont like (in my case)? Isnt it also my perogative to see a message, and not to like it if they so choose?

Some people recently had strong reactions to Danish newspaper cartoons. Death edicts have been issued over books. Art is often highly controversial. And movies are art.
 

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