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jazzeum said:
Maybe the Yankees have finally wised up on huge contracts.
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Or maybe not.

So much for the fiscally responsible Yankees, what a load of horse manure.

7/153 for Ellsbury.

Thanks for the two WS titles Jacoby; earn your rings in one place, make your money somewhere else.

Can just hear Sterlings home run call now; "Ells-buries one 315ft down the right field line for his 33rd home run of the year." He'll hit 40 in Williamsport East, guaranteed to go along with his 3 on the road.


Have to give Boras credit, he's made a living off of the Yankees deep pockets; he either plays a team against the Yankees to drive up the price or plays the Yankees against themselves.

I knew he was gone once he signed with that POS.

It's one of those contracts that will be great on the front end, terrible on the back end, but what do the Yankees care, they got their moneys worth from Arod, he'll be suspended so the Ellsbury signing is a freebee now for them isn't that just wonderful how they weaseled their way out of that contract.

So you've got Garnder, Suzuki, Soriano and Ellsbury; maybe the Yankees can trade Suzuki to the Tigers for Verlander now or back to Seattle for king felix.

So in 2007, the Sox won their second WS title of the century, then in 2008 the Yankees don't make the playoffs, so they back up a brinks truck and sign Sherman Klump, Beavis and Horseface, another WS title bought in 2009.

Now in 2013, the Sox win their third WS title of the century and at the same time, The Yankees don't make the playoffs, so once again they open up their checkbook and sign McCann and Ellsbury.

And mark this down; they'll still find a way to sign Cano.

In pen.

Looks like the rivalry is back on.

Awesome.

I just hope the Sox don't do something stupid; stick to your plan, plug in holes here and there with second tier or third tier free agents and keep bringing up the kids.

JBJr, center field is yours, come on down son.
 
jazzeum said:
According to ESPN, the Yankees chance of signing Cano are less than 50% and that the Mariners might be signing him, for eight years for $200 million.

If true, that would be a big blow for the Yankees but would free up a lot of money to spend elsewhere. Maybe the Yankees have finally wised up on huge contracts.
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Just reading tonight that NY max offer seems to be 7 years @ $175 million. Looks like they will let him go. NY seems to be aiming at Omar Infante to replace him with Tampa's Kelly Johnson as back-up. -- Al
 
Each time I hear about these huge contracts I think about the Angels. I wonder if their mistakes will make other teams think twice, but I doubt it.
 
Considering the Ellsbury signing, that's insulting. What that says is that Ellsbury is almost as good as Cano and we know that's not the case. If he's not, then why has Ellsbury received this kind of contract? Cano has been one of the best players around. That's why the Ellsbury contract is one of the worst ever. He is a good player but this contract is so completely out of whack. What does that make Cabrera or Trout worth?
 
jazzeum said:
Considering the Ellsbury signing, that's insulting. What that says is that Ellsbury is almost as good as Cano and we know that's not the case. If he's not, then why has Ellsbury received this kind of contract? Cano has been one of the best players around. That's why the Ellsbury contract is one of the worst ever. He is a good player but this contract is so completely out of whack. What does that make Cabrera or Trout worth?
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Trout's 2013 salary was $510K. Amazing.
 
Interesting moves by several teams but I am still wondering about the Yankees and Ellsbury. If they are going to spend big then Cano was a better way to spend the money because you already know him and whatever baggage he has in his personal life. Not sure that Ellsbury is a good pick up here, time will tell. Also wondering what the deal will be with Arod. Anyone in NYC heard any hints of what we might see? Full on suspension or a slap on the wrist? Me I would prefer to see him go bye bye and retire but thats not happening if he thinks he can get some more money. What have you heard Brad?

Dave
 
Dave,

The arbitrator is supposed to rule by the end of the year and the belief is he will reduce the suspension. By how much is anyone's guess. At that point, it is believed that either or both sides may appeal the decision in court. In Arod's case, he would probably seek a temporary restraining order. To obtain a TRO, you need to show irreparable harm and likelihood of success on the merits. As a TRO is an equitable measure, i.e., asking the court to perform a specific action for which money damages would not be adequate compensation, that may be a tall order. Arod would try to argue that a suspension pending an appeal would reduce his ability to break the HR record, for instance.

In other words, who knows if he will play in 2014?

Brad
 
Interesting Brad, I would like to see him go away but we all know what the chances of that are...

This shaping up to be a very interesting winter for trades and other MLB business.

Dave
 
DMNamiot said:
Interesting moves by several teams but I am still wondering about the Yankees and Ellsbury. If they are going to spend big then Cano was a better way to spend the money because you already know him and whatever baggage he has in his personal life. Not sure that Ellsbury is a good pick up here, time will tell. Also wondering what the deal will be with Arod. Anyone in NYC heard any hints of what we might see? Full on suspension or a slap on the wrist? Me I would prefer to see him go bye bye and retire but thats not happening if he thinks he can get some more money. What have you heard Brad?

Dave
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I frankly think that the Yankees signing Ellsbury to a 7 year contract at age 30 was beyond stupid. Ellsbury relies on his legs, and is injury prone, neither good recommendations for a 7 year contract at his age. And why spend money on another outfielder when you have 4 under contract already, and desperately need pitching? Lets face it, "Sherman Klump," as George calls him, was never truly an ace, he was just the best #2 in the league (yes, I know he won a Cy Young, but just look at his record against other teams' aces, he almost always loses against the Verlanders and Hallidays of the world, because he gives up at least one bad inning every game), and Ivan Nova may pan out into a solid 2 or 3 starter, but that is it. Those are the only two starters the Yankees have under contract. They are trying to re-sign Kuroda, but he was terrible from the beginning of August on, and frankly, I think he's either hitting the wall after about half a season or outright done. That still leaves at least two starters to fill out the rotation. They money they just spent on Ellsbury could have gone a long way towards one quality or two journeymen starters.

I wonder what the Yankees thought process is on Cano . . . are they really counting on the fact that his parents would prefer him to stay in New York to overcome an offer from Seattle that is $25 million dollars bigger? On the other hand, giving him a 10 year contract, or any contract longer than 7 years, would have been a disaster.

I think the real story is the Yankees were so badly burned by the stupidity of re-signing A-Roid after he opted out, that they have finally learned not to enter into 10 year contracts. And speaking of A-Roid, if the arbitrator upholds his suspension, saving the Yankees 27 Million dollars in base salary plus the additional 6 million in bonus money when he hits 5 more homers and ties Willy Mays' mark, the Yankees ought to cut him and eat the rest of the ridiculous contract, so we never have to see him in pinstripes again.
 
jazzeum said:
Dave,

The arbitrator is supposed to rule by the end of the year and the belief is he will reduce the suspension. By how much is anyone's guess. At that point, it is believed that either or both sides may appeal the decision in court. In Arod's case, he would probably seek a temporary restraining order. To obtain a TRO, you need to show irreparable harm and likelihood of success on the merits. As a TRO is an equitable measure, i.e., asking the court to perform a specific action for which money damages would not be adequate compensation, that may be a tall order. Arod would try to argue that a suspension pending an appeal would reduce his ability to break the HR record, for instance.

In other words, who knows if he will play in 2014?

Brad
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God only knows what the arbitrator will do. They are not bound to follow substantive or evidentiary law, and their decisions are only challengeable under New York law on an "arbitrary and capricious" basis. As long as the arbitrator is smart enough to couch his decision on some quasi-reasonable basis, he can basically do whatever he wants.

As far as A-Rod getting a TRO if he loses, its possible, but I doubt it. Remember, the first prong is showing a likelihood of success on the merits, and getting an arbitrator's decision overturned is highly improbable. Additionally, considering he hasn't hit more than 16 home runs in either of the last two seasons, and his been extremely injury prone, I highly doubt a court will credit a claim he has any reasonable chance of breaking fellow steroid-cheat Barry Bond's record. On the other hand, the arbitrator could just as easily substantially cut or even eliminate his suspension entirely, which, after the mess with Ryan Braun, would be a fitting epitaph for the present commissioner's extremely shaky stewardship of he game.:rolleyes2:
 
ESPN is saying that Cano got his 10 year contract for $240 million from Seattle. Third largest contract in MLB history. Might be an ok deal for 5 years, but, once again, the man is 31, so the back end of the deal is going to be an anchor for Seattle. Jeesh. Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money.:rolleyes2: -- Al
 
I had heard this morning negotiations broke off.

Mets have signed the Grandy man for $15 million a year for four years. Finally, some power in the lineup. Yay!
 
lancer said:
ESPN is saying that Cano got his 10 year contract for $240 million from Seattle. Third largest contract in MLB history. Might be an ok deal for 5 years, but, once again, the man is 31, so the back end of the deal is going to be an anchor for Seattle. Jeesh. Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money.:rolleyes2: -- Al
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Better Seattle than the Yankees as far as I'm concerned. As you pointed out, the Yankees will miss him for around 5 years, then it will be Seattle crying about the contract. With the money they have tied up in Cano and King Felix, I can't imagine they are going to put to many other quality players on the field.

The Yankees signed Kuroda for a one year deal, so now there are 3 starters signed. With the money freed up by Cano leaving, they should be able to bring in the next best available second baseman, and the two best available pitchers.
 
Louis Badolato said:
Better Seattle than the Yankees as far as I'm concerned. As you pointed out, the Yankees will miss him for around 5 years, then it will be Seattle crying about the contract. With the money they have tied up in Cano and King Felix, I can't imagine they are going to put to many other quality players on the field.

The Yankees signed Kuroda for a one year deal, so now there are 3 starters signed. With the money freed up by Cano leaving, they should be able to bring in the next best available second baseman, and the two best available pitchers.
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As a Giants fan I do not follow the A's that closely, however I do root for them. I think Seattle signing Cano is great for them. Seattle is well on their way to becoming the Angels of the North, making it that much easier for Oakland to win the West.
 
Panzer ace said:
As a Giants fan I do not follow the A's that closely, however I do root for them. I think Seattle signing Cano is great for them. Seattle is well on their way to becoming the Angels of the North, making it that much easier for Oakland to win the West.
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If the Angels get some pitching this year, you have no shot my friend.

Take Me Out to A Ball Game!

 
ESPN reporting Carlos Beltran to the NYY's for 3 years and $45 million. Might be a good deal as Carlos is 36 but he is still hitting well. NY still needs to address it's pitching, as Louis said earlier. -- Al
 
Been pretty busy on the trade/signing front considering the winter meetings don't even start until Monday. Nats have gotten a starting pitcher and a 4th outfielder which were 2 of the 3 things they wanted to do. All they are looking for at this point is a lefty for the bullpen. O's got some work to do yet. -- Al
 
Another inexplicable signing by the Yankees: Beltran, 3 years/45 million? The guy is ancient, and why do we need another outfielder/DH? Didn't we just add Alfonso Soriano by trade, and sign Ellsbury, to go with the three other outfielders we already had under contract?

I thought we needed a second and third basemen and two starting pitchers?^&confuse
 
Louis Badolato said:
Another inexplicable signing by the Yankees: Beltran, 3 years/45 million? The guy is ancient, and why do we need another outfielder/DH? Didn't we just add Alfonso Soriano by trade, and sign Ellsbury, to go with the three other outfielders we already had under contract?

I thought we needed a second and third basemen and two starting pitchers?^&confuse
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So instead of paying Cano stupid money when he's on the back end of his contract, they decided to do it for Beltran.

There is no way Cashman is behind these boneheaded signings.

So what now, Soriano back at 2nd; talk about a disaster. And now Ichiro is a back up; yeah, he's going to be happy with that arrangement.............

Meanwhile, the Sox resign Napoli for 2/32.........outstanding.
 
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