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Capitolron said:
That is a good question - my suggestion would be to PM our expert UK REB and ask him.

My thoughts are that ALL BATTLE FLAGS would have to be surrendered - CSA and State Flags - per tradition.

Welcome to forum - do you have pictures of your Civil War Collection ?

Ron
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I dont have any photos yet but Im currently working on a "grand battery" of my Confederate artillery. When I have that set up Ill be sure to shoot a few pictures.
 
I look forward to seeing your grand battery. How many pieces do you have for it?
Regards
Damian
 
Its 4 napoleons and then I have a defensive line of infantry. Im currently waiting on the walls, fences, and what not. Otherwise its just some infantry and cannons out in the open.
 
VanguardFC007 said:
Its 4 napoleons and then I have a defensive line of infantry. Im currently waiting on the walls, fences, and what not. Otherwise its just some infantry and cannons out in the open.
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Sounds good.
We will hold you to your word about posting pictures.
I do look forward to seeing you display
Damian
 
Im out of town at the moment so Im gonna have to force yall to wait a week or so. Just a random thought though...

When yall move your pieces around for whatever reason... do yall have cloth gloves or something or do you just barehand them?
 
VanguardFC007 said:
Hi everyone. Im knew to the boards here but am an avid Civil War collector as well as reading into the history. Bit sorry to change the subject on yall but its a question Ive always had and never found an answer...

I know that the Army of Northern Virginia surrendered their battle flags at Appamatox; did they also have to surrender their state flags? As a Texan I find it difficult to believe that a famous regiment such as the 1st Texas would give up its state flag. But Im not sure as to General Grant's requirement on that subject.

Thanks guys.
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The formal surrender ceremony for the infantry at Appomattox began early on the morning of April 12. Brig Gen Chamberlain received the surrender from John B Gordon, there is an account from a Maine soldier's diary who was part of Chamberlain's First Division of the Fifth Corps that as the Rebs stacked their muskets he watched and wrote "it was quite an affecting scene to see some of their color guards, as they were about to leave the old battle and state flags they had carried so long and defended so bravely, turn and tear small pieces from these banners, and hastily put them in their pockets".

Another documented account this time from a South Carolina veteran "We did not surrender our state flag but tore it to pieces, instead we surrendered an old headquarters banner"

So based on these written facts I would say that as per standard of any defeated army, battle; regimental; state; country flags as well as arms would have had to have been surrendered. Grant, although not part of the surrender agreement allowed Confederate officers and artillerymen to retain their own horses, but he did get ostracised from Washington for allowing this.

Agree with your sentiment re The Texas Brigade (my favorite brigade) who were "mean sons of britches" would not have given up the Lone star willingly but there is no account either way.

Reb
 
If I may, I would like to add to this. Confederate units usually only carried one flag unlike federal units that generally carried two (federal & state) Confederate forces carried a wide variety of colours that ranged from original designs to State or Confederate "National" flags with unit designations and of course the "Battle flag". The Confederate flag known as the "Battle flag" is the one which incorporates the cross of St. Andrews on the entire flag. ALL flags carried by Southern troops on the field were flags of Battle. Many states when they seceeded changed their flag to reflect their secesion. I find it amusing living here in Virginia when people raise a fuss over the Battleflag. The flag of the Commowealth of Va. still reflects the changes made to it when it seceeded and therefore is still a Confederate battleflag. SHHHHH. dont tell anyone cause they'ld probably want to do like Georgia and change it. So, to make a short story long; yes, all flags were ordered to be turned over when the unit surrendered. Many; as Reb has said were torn up and the pcs. given out to the remaining soldiers rather than be turned over to the Federals. Many of the flags in museums have large pcs. cut from them for the same reason. I have read a few accounts were many old veterans were buried with their "piece of the colours".
 
VanguardFC007 said:
I dont have any photos yet but Im currently working on a "grand battery" of my Confederate artillery. When I have that set up Ill be sure to shoot a few pictures.
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Couple of pics I posted on the Civil War Diodrama sometime ago now- first one is most of Conte's Rolling Thunder sets-this particular shot is part of a 10 cannons and crew set-up dio of the Confederate barrage on the third day at Gettysburg but you need a wide angle camera to get them all in the frame.



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Conte always promised Federal artillery sets to complement the Rebs but as usual with RC plenty of promises but never delivered so I had to use Britains and some scratch built to come up with this shot of the Union gunners firing on Pickett's men later the same day. Total cannon and crew in the full dio is eight.



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Hey Reb,absolutely superb shots.They are like Historic paintings in the way they capture the Horror and chaos,real works of art mate.

Rob
 
Wow I have nothing like that. Im gonna get home and cry over my pathetic attempt now. On a more serious note...right behind the battery and the crews; is that a shadow or is that a sort of churned up ground look? If its churned up ground thats a really nice authentic touch.
 
VanguardFC007 said:
On a more serious note...right behind the battery and the crews; is that a shadow or is that a sort of churned up ground look? If its churned up ground thats a really nice authentic touch.
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No shadow! That's just churned up earth what with recoil and gunners swabbing out the barrels it got to be quite a mess back of the batteries.

Don't get despondent I've been building dios for more years than I care to remember and like you started real small scale but with me blowing up Timpo Rebs and Yanks you get more experienced as you go along. Talking of blowing up here's a couple of pictures of the Rebs taking a hell of a beating from that Yank artillery.

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Once again amazing pics,never seen explosions so realistic and dramatic.Excellant work Reb.

Rob
 
Rob said:
Once again amazing pics,never seen explosions so realistic and dramatic.Excellant work Reb.

Rob
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Thanks Rob I've got you down as my greatest fan.......now if only we could meet up again:D:D:D

Reb
 
I just picked up 2 more of Conte's Sons of the South line (Hobby Bunker's 2 for 1 sale...) Im about 4 sets (give or take a couple) from completing that line for myself.

What are yall's thoughts on the Sons of the South?
 
VanguardFC007 said:
I just picked up 2 more of Conte's Sons of the South line (Hobby Bunker's 2 for 1 sale...) Im about 4 sets (give or take a couple) from completing that line for myself.

What are yall's thoughts on the Sons of the South?
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Far too big and too darn ugly. Their "unique" size and all the weapons they carry will simply dwarf the rest of your collection. Y'all hear!
 
I noticed...I sorta keep them in their own section of the shelves. The first set I got from that series came as a gift and at that point I sort of needed to finish it. When I get home from my vacation Ill take some photos of my shelving situation and youll see what I mean. I dont even have all of them on display. My collection has expanded alot faster than my shelving has expanded in the last year. So a good portion of my sets can still be found in the box.
 
The photos are such a pleasure to see Reb when ever and were ever you posted them.........The Lt.
 
I have to agree with Col. Lt on that. I still love those pictures and look forward to creating a Battery like the one picture earlier.
 
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