On that line of thought, perhaps Adolf and Eva were the first real astronauts. Maybe a converted V-2 got them into orbit and remains there still, waiting, waiting... -- Al
Did Hitler Escape From Berlin In May 1945 ? (1 Viewer)
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waynepoo
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That scrap of paper is not seventy years old! really! Hitler shoot himself in the bunker in 1945...end of story.
Wayne.
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I'm getting extremely concerned with current TV programs and forum posts.
"Hitler possibly made it safe to Argentina", "Romans in America" {eek3}
I don't want to talk about it, and I won't after this post :wink2:
Rather comment "Nice Dio" for years to come than getting involved in this kind of crap.
It is a very, very sad state of affairs that TV stations can come up with this kind of crap and apparently attract enough viewers to make it profitable.
Alright, that's it.
Konrad
"Hitler possibly made it safe to Argentina", "Romans in America" {eek3}
I don't want to talk about it, and I won't after this post :wink2:
Rather comment "Nice Dio" for years to come than getting involved in this kind of crap.
It is a very, very sad state of affairs that TV stations can come up with this kind of crap and apparently attract enough viewers to make it profitable.
Alright, that's it.
Konrad
This whole thread has me thinking that perhaps we have the perfect new story line for 'The Walking Dead'. I would love to see Darryl and Carol take on Adolf and Eva and their nazi zombie hordes. This has got real possibilities. -- Al
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Wayne, That scrap of paper was stored in a protective tube
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It's reminded me of one of my favorite songs from Haindling, Konrad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IASVKgZ5T8o
"O des iss a Depp!"
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I put the post up about Romans in America .Lets wait until the experts decide what the sword is,it's age it's origins.Like it or not there are many unexplained mysteries about our past.I don't really believe the Romans made it over here but I leave the possibility open.They are finding structures all over the world that are much older then previously thought that man could build.What amazes me about this thread is how angry people get over different opinions.I know one thing history is totally different than what I was taught in school.Lets all think for ourselves and develop our own opinions.
Mark
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Cheers Wayne, the problem with these sort of shows is that they always leave more questions than answers and it isn't helped by the poor investigation technique's being used by so called proffesionals. It's painful viewing, hence why I bailed from the series after enduring two episodes.
There's no doubt a few well known Nazi's and their sympathisers made it to South America and lived happily ever-after, however I'm far from convinced Hitler made it any further than his bunkers back door.
This is still a great thread though and interesting to read all the posts!
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It's not a matter of getting angry over opinions, Mark, it's a matter conspiracy theories masquerading as historical theories, dressed up in sensational fashion for presentation on TV, or discoveries of something unusual, that trigger discussions featuring arguments based on very thin ice indeed.
I believe in applying Occam's Razor to any such question--the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
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Opinions are not factual but merely that: opinions. History is made up of facts, not what suits a person's fancy.
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Well a lot of today's historians disagree with a lot of yesteryear's historians so who's "facts" are right?Just because a majority of people might believe in something doesn't mean it's right.My opinion is as valid as yours.
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While history is not as solid a science as the hard sciences, you still have to be able to back up a theory--or opinion, as we've called it--with arguments based on facts.
Admittedly, we can look at the known information and come up with a new way of explaining it. Or new information can come to light, that does overturn previous ways of looking at things. The example of the Battle of Midway comes to mind, and the work of John Lindstrom, and Parshall & Tully. They took Japanese sources that were hitherto unknown to Western scholars, and they have revised the interpretation or understanding of the battle.
However, in both of these specific cases, the challenges don't seem to have much of a leg to stand on. In the case of Hitler's fate, there has been no concrete evidence to disprove the "official" story that he shot himself, that his remains were partially burned in a shell hole in the Chancellery garden, and that they were later found by the Russians. In the case of the sword, you're right, it will be interesting to see what archaeologists and experts on Roman history have to say, but right now, it's speculation on the thinnest of threads to posit a galley cruising along the North American coast and trading with the ancestors of the tribes who met our European forefathers when they came much later. That speculation can be fun, too, but we should not confuse it with actual history.
And that is precisely what the History Channel does, for ratings.
Prost!
Brad
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Brad I don't feel any issue should be closed.One can always dig deeper.I know a lot of these people are crackpots (my favorite is UFO experts who have never seen or have any evidence that they exist ^&grin)But I always think there are many closed minded people who will look only at what's been accepted and won't look beyond.I'm sure many people in South America in the 40's,50's who saw someone who talked with a German accent and had a moustache thought they saw Hitler.Maybe,just maybe one did.
Mark
I was thinking about that Roman sword and I have a theory. Since Roman occupation of Europe was so complete and long lasting, isn't it possible/likely that Viking raiders picked up a Roman sword on one of their many forays into Europe and carried the sword with them to America, losing it overboard or some such thing, rather than Romans crossing the ocean? Sounds plausible to me.:wink2: -- Al
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Isn't there a thousand years difference from when Rome fell and the Vikings set sail? Seems strange that a viking would keep a sword for that long when their fighting styles were different.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too, and it is possible that the liberated Roman sword was not used as a weapon per se, but maybe was more of a symbol of the travels or maybe a good luck charm/talisman. Maybe a Viking chief carried it as a symbol. Who knows? -- Al