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[uksubs]

In your opinion Neil ^&grin I still can't agree that FL make the only "true" 1/30 scale figures. To me their WW2 figures have always looked too small, even when compared to FL figures in their other ranges. FL seem to have a convinced a number of collectors that there's is the only true 1/30 size figures but to most other collectors they are still too small and increasingly expensive. I did consider collecting FL WW2 figures when they were first issued but very happy I didn't...have saved a lot of money. Also happy for those that are happy with their FL sets, collect what you like as they say ^&cool

Matt read my reply again mate as I had a question mark next to my reply :salute::

 

[uksubs]

In your opinion Neil ^&grin I still can't agree that FL make the only "true" 1/30 scale figures. To me their WW2 figures have always looked too small, even when compared to FL figures in their other ranges. FL seem to have a convinced a number of collectors that there's is the only true 1/30 size figures but to most other collectors they are still too small and increasingly expensive. I did consider collecting FL WW2 figures when they were first issued but very happy I didn't...have saved a lot of money. Also happy for those that are happy with their FL sets, collect what you like as they say ^&cool

Matt I also don’t collect Fl figures and leave it at that

 

[OzDigger]

Matt read my reply again mate as I had a question mark next to my reply :salute::

Matt I also don’t collect Fl figures and leave it at that

I didn't notice the confused/question emoticon, you were more cryptic there than usual Neil.

 

[Desertkiwi]

Tom; I just measured my WB Fallschirmjagers #25039 and#25053, both figures measure 60mm from top of base to top of head and the proportions are human! The FL figures are several MM smaller and considerably more petit IMO ( to keep Neil happy)! I agree with Oz; they look like 54 mm figures that have been put on a rack (medieval height adjuster) The proportions are too thin; they look like the walking dead. The WB and Kronprinze figures have more accurate proportions IMO.

I love the 'rack' comment that's a beaut and an accurate description in my opinion. Mind you by the end of the war I think most Germans would have looked a little more skeletal than most.^&grin

 

[Desertkiwi]

I didn't notice the confused/question emoticon, you were more cryptic there than usual Neil.

I like cryptic as it breaks up the monotony of the usual banter from some quarters (no doubt me included).^&grin

At the very least Neil never fails to entertain and I must thank him for that. :salute::

A dedicated Neil fan from down under.

 

[katana]

I am shocked that some commenters do not consider FL to be the finest WWII figures ever produced at any time or place in the history of the world; as has been advertised extensivly! I remember when FL first introduced their Stalingrad figures and advertised them as 54mm on their website. A qualification was than stipulated that this was top of base to the earlobe of the figure as was the standard for military miniatures in Usbekistan and the actual measurement was a true 60mm using a special laser interferometer. Any other measurement device was insufficiently accurate to measure these extraordinary figures. The high prices are justified by the superb instrumentation required to certify their size. No other figure made to date is 60mm unless certified by interferometric measurements.

 

[Panzer ace]

I am shocked that some commenters do not consider FL to be the finest WWII figures ever produced at any time or place in the history of the world; as has been advertised extensivly! I remember when FL first introduced their Stalingrad figures and advertised them as 54mm on their website. A qualification was than stipulated that this was top of base to the earlobe of the figure as was the standard for military miniatures in Usbekistan and the actual measurement was a true 60mm using a special laser interferometer. Any other measurement device was insufficiently accurate to measure these extraordinary figures. The high prices are justified by the superb instrumentation required to certify their size. No other figure made to date is 60mm unless certified by interferometric measurements.

With all due respect to FL, I think that the Aeroart WWII figures are the finest ever produced.

 

[Vicknor]

I am shocked that some commenters do not consider FL to be the finest WWII figures ever produced at any time or place in the history of the world; as has been advertised extensivly! I remember when FL first introduced their Stalingrad figures and advertised them as 54mm on their website. A qualification was than stipulated that this was top of base to the earlobe of the figure as was the standard for military miniatures in Usbekistan and the actual measurement was a true 60mm using a special laser interferometer. Any other measurement device was insufficiently accurate to measure these extraordinary figures. The high prices are justified by the superb instrumentation required to certify their size. No other figure made to date is 60mm unless certified by interferometric measurements.

The trolliest troll of troll town

 

[OzDigger]

I am shocked that some commenters do not consider FL to be the finest WWII figures ever produced at any time or place in the history of the world; as has been advertised extensivly! I remember when FL first introduced their Stalingrad figures and advertised them as 54mm on their website. A qualification was than stipulated that this was top of base to the earlobe of the figure as was the standard for military miniatures in Usbekistan and the actual measurement was a true 60mm using a special laser interferometer. Any other measurement device was insufficiently accurate to measure these extraordinary figures. The high prices are justified by the superb instrumentation required to certify their size. No other figure made to date is 60mm unless certified by interferometric measurements.

Is this the emoticon you were looking for: :rolleyes2:

 

[joesgis]

In your opinion Neil ^&grin I still can't agree that FL make the only "true" 1/30 scale figures. To me their WW2 figures have always looked too small, even when compared to FL figures in their other ranges. FL seem to have a convinced a number of collectors that there's is the only true 1/30 size figures but to most other collectors they are still too small and increasingly expensive...

Hi Matt,
FL's WWII figures are definitely more diminutive then their other ranges, or at least the ones I collect (Vikings, Retreat from Russia, Crusaders, Romans/enemies of Rome). There will always be some variance with different sculptors, but their WWII figures are significantly smaller.

Joe

 

[OzDigger]

Hi Matt,
FL's WWII figures are definitely more diminutive then their other ranges, or at least the ones I collect (Vikings, Retreat from Russia, Crusaders, Romans/enemies of Rome). There will always be some variance with different sculptors, but their WWII figures are significantly smaller.

Joe

Yes Joe, that made no sense to me, real WWII soldiers were actually taller than soldiers from earlier times as you no doubt know, I'm sure they lost a lot of sales because of that mistake.

 

[Catt1200]

Yes Joe, that made no sense to me, real WWII soldiers were actually taller than soldiers from earlier times as you no doubt know, I'm sure they lost a lot of sales because of that mistake.

Surely this is only relevant if one were doing a time travel diorama.

 

[OzDigger]

Surely this is only relevant if one were doing a time travel diorama. ��

I prefer size consistency across a manufacturers ranges irrespective of display subjects, of course some collectors are more discerning than others in this respect.

 

[Vicknor]

Yes Joe, that made no sense to me, real WWII soldiers were actually taller than soldiers from earlier times as you no doubt know, I'm sure they lost a lot of sales because of that mistake.

FL lost “A lot of sales” in their WW2 range? Giv-over

 

[bradleyl30]

Yes Joe, that made no sense to me, real WWII soldiers were actually taller than soldiers from earlier times as you no doubt know, I'm sure they lost a lot of sales because of that mistake.

This is actually untrue. Human size has fluctuated throughout history. Scientists have actually tied size not to changes in time but changes in nutrition and exposure to disease. This essentially coincides with rural societies moving into cities without proper sanitation and the need to eat foods that are less fresh / perishable.

Oh this also includes teeth. During more agrarian periods with low levels of sugar in the diet teeth remain healthy for much of people’s lives.

 

[katana]

I agree nutrition plays a major role in human height. Cro-Magnon Man was over 6' tall 40,000 years ago. A diet of Mastodon meat supplied plenty of protein. The development of agriculture substituted grain for meat and average height decreased as a result. Marcomannic Germans in 180 AD were over 6 ' tall while the Romans were under 5' 8". The main dietary difference was the Germans ate lots of meat and the Romans ate mostly a vegetarian diet. Modern Dutch men are the tallest on the planet thanks to a diet rich in milk and cheese.

Another cause of human height variation is societal selection. The tallest Frenchmen were killed off in the Napoleonic Wars resulting in shorter male height in later generations. Genetics are another factor. The determination of average human height is caused by many factors!

This is actually untrue. Human size has fluctuated throughout history. Scientists have actually tied size not to changes in time but changes in nutrition and exposure to disease. This essentially coincides with rural societies moving into cities without proper sanitation and the need to eat foods that are less fresh / perishable.

Oh this also includes teeth. During more agrarian periods with low levels of sugar in the diet teeth remain healthy for much of people’s lives.

 

[OzDigger]

Suffice to say the German and American soldiers represented in the First Legion WW2 range should be at least as tall, possibly taller, than their ranges depicting earlier periods, If you think otherwise that is your prerogative.

This is actually untrue. Human size has fluctuated throughout history. Scientists have actually tied size not to changes in time but changes in nutrition and exposure to disease. This essentially coincides with rural societies moving into cities without proper sanitation and the need to eat foods that are less fresh / perishable.

Oh this also includes teeth. During more agrarian periods with low levels of sugar in the diet teeth remain healthy for much of people’s lives.

I agree nutrition plays a major role in human height. Cro-Magnon Man was over 6' tall 40,000 years ago. A diet of Mastodon meat supplied plenty of protein. The development of agriculture substituted grain for meat and average height decreased as a result. Marcomannic Germans in 180 AD were over 6 ' tall while the Romans were under 5' 8". The main dietary difference was the Germans ate lots of meat and the Romans ate mostly a vegetarian diet. Modern Dutch men are the tallest on the planet thanks to a diet rich in milk and cheese.

Another cause of human height variation is societal selection. The tallest Frenchmen were killed off in the Napoleonic Wars resulting in shorter male height in later generations. Genetics are another factor. The determination of average human height is caused by many factors!

 

[OzDigger]

FL lost “A lot of sales” in their WW2 range? Giv-over

Ask some dealers Gov'nor, it was an issue when they were released, and still is...obviously ^&grin