Figarti Winter T-34......A change in Production Numbers !!! (2 Viewers)

[jazzeum]

Just like someone is free to sell a flaking Figarti tank on Ebay as 'new' to make a buck. Funny seeing you participate on a topic regarding ethics.

Before the mods destroy this post, this is a matter of public record on Treefrog

What and where is the public record? Before you start libeling someone how about some facts :rolleyes2:

 

[tdubel]

What and where is the public record? Before you start libeling someone how about some facts :rolleyes2:

Brad,
I have racked my brain and I have come up with blank. If I sold him a tank that flaked, not sure why he would not have contacted me as you know, we have a resource either in Figarti themselves or another who could fix it and I would have happily compensated as I would anyone I sold something too if something arrived wrong. Nobody is perfect, but I sure as heck know I have never deliberately tried to rip someone off on a toy soldier item or any item for that matter. It is amazing that if someone sells something they are a bad person, this one baffles me as I can't figure it out.

TD

 

[jazzeum]

Right you are Tom. Before he rip a person's reputation, he should contact you, assuming something occurred.

Brad

 

[tdubel]

Right you are Tom. Before he rip a person's reputation, he should contact you, assuming something occurred.

Brad

Brad,

Thanks for the information. Ok, I think we have this one figured out. A decent amount of time ago, I sold an old Winter Panzer Tank to Red Baron, a friend on the forum here. I had never removed the tank, looked into the box and didn't see any issues. Apparently, when it arrived, it had the factory flaking problem once removed from the box. I ACTUALLY POSTED on the thread after speaking to Red Baron about it that I honestly never removed it. We had no beef and had the issue resolved without issue. Here is the link http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?33878-Just-picked-up-Figarti-Panzer-IV


SO BLOWTORCH, let me get this straight, you and I had NO transaction. You have no knowledge of any of this except for the posted thread which was resolved through the help of Brad. As a matter of fact, Red Baron and I have had a few transaction since then both ways there is no issue. Additionally, he had a screw up where he sent the wrong items out..........did I get on the forum and slander/libel him? OF COURSE NOT, it was an easy fix, he is a great guy and we have no issue. The point is, why on Earth would you question my ETHICS on something to which you were not a party too and there was NO ISSUE???????????? What is your deal with me? This is just ridiculous and I hope this thread is left up as it is as clear as day. I believe you owe me an apology but I am not going to get splinters in my posterior waiting for it.

Thanks to Brad for the detective work on the thread.

 

[Blowtorch]

Right you are Tom. Before he rip a person's reputation, he should contact you, assuming something occurred.

Brad

any veteran seller who has been around as long as Dubel, knows about the paint flaking off of Figarti tanks of that generation. It would any seller's ethical duty to inspect the contents of a box that long after the problem is known before selling a piece. Convince me otherwise & I'll remove my post.
http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...picked-up-Figarti-Panzer-IV&highlight=flaking

 

[tdubel]

any veteran seller who has been around as long as Dubel, knows about the paint flaking off of Figarti tanks of that generation. It would any seller's ethical duty to inspect the contents of a box that long after the problem is known before selling a piece. Convince me otherwise & I'll remove my post.
http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...picked-up-Figarti-Panzer-IV&highlight=flaking

Again, he we are, I just posted this plain as day, nothing to hide. I made a mistake, it was fixed and that is that. So due to that, I am unethical. I think you are way in the wrong here to libel me over this. Utterly ridiculous and highly offensive.

For the record, that is the ONLY piece of Figarti where I ever had that issue. How many pieces do I own or have owned?? 95 % of all ever done including the original Chinese/Japanese War pieces.

You are way out of line here. Plain and simple. Who are you to judge me when you were not involved in any way shape or form? I nor no one has a duty to convince you of anything, the facts stand as they are.

TD

 

[Blowtorch]

Actually I was hoping to hear from Jazz since he has so much to say tonight

 

[tdubel]

Actually I was hoping to hear from Jazz since he has so much to say tonight

Don't know why Jazz's comments would be so important since I am the one you have targeted with the unwarranted comments? I have openly answered you to which I really have no responsibility other than to answer your libelous comments regarding my ethics. Not sure what your angle or motive is on this as I don't believe (and you can correct me if I am wrong) that we have ever met nor had any dealing on anything. Personally, I don't think we will be having any dealing in the future as I tend to not deal with people who ignorantly throw comments and judgements toward me without any right nor knowledge to do so.

That thread IMO was pretty clear that all involved rectified the situation and I believe I was very open and honest about my mistake. Red Baron wanted the tank, he like the tank, he paid what he thought was a fair price for it and the mistake as far as I know to this day was resolved. There is no ethical issue here and I think you must have a personal issue toward me to which I am not aware.

Quite odd really that you would target me with this nonsense.

TD

 

[RedBaron]

Just wanted to chime in on this thread as it has taken a turn for the worst. All I can say is Tom is true gentleman who I have dealt with on numerous occasions. Mistakes happen and nobody is perfect. I believe Tom when he told me he honestly did not know the paint flaking had happened. He had the item listed on eBay and was kind enough to end the auction and accept my offer for it. I highly doubt Tom knowingly listed this item on eBay knowing full well the paint flaking had occurred thus risking someone else winning the auction and having a transaction dispute opened against him. He would have definitely lost the dispute and have had to refund the amount and also lose out on fees and shipping cost. Like I stated before dealing with Tom on my end has always been a pleasure and any mix up that has occurred between us has been cleared up and dealt with professionally.

Jose

 

[Vezzolf]

Just wanted to chime in on this thread as it has taken a turn for the worst. All I can say is Tom is true gentleman who I have dealt with on numerous occasions. Mistakes happen and nobody is perfect. I believe Tom when he told me he honestly did not know the paint flaking had happened. He had the item listed on eBay and was kind enough to end the auction and accept my offer for it. I highly doubt Tom knowingly listed this item on eBay knowing full well the paint flaking had occurred thus risking someone else winning the auction and having a transaction dispute opened against him. He would have definitely lost the dispute and have had to refund the amount and also lose out on fees and shipping cost. Like I stated before dealing with Tom on my end has always been a pleasure and any mix up that has occurred between us has been cleared up and dealt with professionally.

Jose

Obviously, The problem was rectified between the two parties involved.....That's the important thing....Honest mistakes can happen....I highly doubt that any seller who "knowingly" sells a defective product as "new" would get away with it on e-bay....It would also ruin their reputation and rating as a seller.......The real issue of this thread is concerning the "unscrupulous behaviour" of speculators and the issue of Figarti production numbers. We are talking about individuals who rush out to purchase multiples of limited Figarti products and then put them on e-bay within weeks of the product release date with the sole purpose of price gouging other collectors.....Read Post #33....Again most of us are NOT INTERESTED in funding the future purchases of speculators who ruin this hobby,create panic buying and drive up retail prices...And..... NO ITS NOT LIKE PURCHASING A STOCK........E-nuff said

 

[tdubel]

Just wanted to chime in on this thread as it has taken a turn for the worst. All I can say is Tom is true gentleman who I have dealt with on numerous occasions. Mistakes happen and nobody is perfect. I believe Tom when he told me he honestly did not know the paint flaking had happened. He had the item listed on eBay and was kind enough to end the auction and accept my offer for it. I highly doubt Tom knowingly listed this item on eBay knowing full well the paint flaking had occurred thus risking someone else winning the auction and having a transaction dispute opened against him. He would have definitely lost the dispute and have had to refund the amount and also lose out on fees and shipping cost. Like I stated before dealing with Tom on my end has always been a pleasure and any mix up that has occurred between us has been cleared up and dealt with professionally.

Jose

Hi Jose,
Appreciate the post, have no idea how you got involved in this part of the train wreck and I apologize to you for that. As I said long ago appreciate your handling of the situation and sorry for the "Gasoline" that got hurled onto us both.

Tom

 

[Peter Reuss]

Vezz...you have beat this drum one too many times. Enough, my friend! This thread actually was all about an increase in production numbers, people like YOU turned it into a witch hunt about people that you designate 'speculators.' Making the same post this many times only serves to stir the pot. We know your feelings on the issue (we've known it for years). Time to move on.

 

[tdubel]

Obviously, The problem was rectified between the two parties involved.....That's the important thing....Honest mistakes can happen....I highly doubt that any seller who "knowingly" sells a defective product as "new" would get away with it on e-bay....It would also ruin their reputation and rating as a seller.......The real issue of this thread is concerning the "unscrupulous behaviour" of speculators and the issue of Figarti production numbers. We are talking about individuals who rush out to purchase multiples of limited Figarti products and then put them on e-bay within weeks of the product release date with the sole purpose of price gouging other collectors.....Read Post #33....Again most of us are NOT INTERESTED in funding the future purchases of speculators who ruin this hobby,create panic buying and drive up retail prices...And..... NO ITS NOT LIKE PURCHASING A STOCK........E-nuff said

Frank,
I know your thoughts and believe it or not I do appreciate your argument as well as the one Gazza laid out. A lot of it is valid points. I think the reason I have my opinion is I don't think it affects the hobby that much in the long run and my "because I can" post was not meant in any way to be a "jerkish" comment, it was meant to illustrate that I don't think the monetary gain is there for speculators of current items. I could be wrong. At the end of the day, I think we are just on opposite sides of an opinion and that's ok...............wouldn't be the first time, nothing personal!!!

TD

 

[Peter Reuss]

Blowtorch has been removed from this conversation for hijacking the thread and making personal attacks.

 

[maddadicus]

A million years ago on this and other forums, I would tilt at windmills against the speculator market. In those days, a dealer would actually give 1/2 of his stock ( a hot item )to a straw dog to sell on Ebay at an inflated price. I and others would go verbally ballistic. For as long as K/C has been on the scene, there had been a retirement frenzy for the older stuff. ( not so much now ). There was a time when one could sell an extra to fund the next purchase or two. ( see nothing wrong in that ). It is odd that some collectors can buy many multiples of a strictly apportioned release from several dealers without difficulty, but that might be for a different discussion WITH THOSE DEALERS.. It is not against the law to speculate on TS and thus moaning about it might shame an offending member or dealer from temporarily not doing so. Otherwise our opinions have no teeth and I have matured enough to not participate in overpaying for any toy. If we wait long enough, what we want will be made from a mfg. not gaming the supply system..( no limited numbers, no retirements, etc. ) Michael

 

[Vezzolf]

Frank,
I know your thoughts and believe it or not I do appreciate your argument as well as the one Gazza laid out. A lot of it is valid points. I think the reason I have my opinion is I don't think it affects the hobby that much in the long run and my "because I can" post was not meant in any way to be a "jerkish" comment, it was meant to illustrate that I don't think the monetary gain is there for speculators of current items. I could be wrong. At the end of the day, I think we are just on opposite sides of an opinion and that's ok...............wouldn't be the first time, nothing personal!!!

TD

No problem brother...Best Regards Frank

 

[tdubel]

No problem brother...Best Regards Frank

You know Frank, some might call me crazy for posting this after over our numerous keyboard battles over the years, but if we ever catch up in person, would love to buy you a beverage of your choice. I always have found that people's viewpoints are really not that far apart in person or even if they are, it always makes for an enjoyable conversation and I tend to learn something.

All the best,
Tom

 

[Vezzolf]

Vezz...you have beat this drum one too many times. Enough, my friend! This thread actually was all about an increase in production numbers, people like YOU turned it into a witch hunt about people that you designate 'speculators.' Making the same post this many times only serves to stir the pot. We know your feelings on the issue (we've known it for years). Time to move on.

"People Like ME" Peter???? The reason why we have been discussing increase production numbers for Figarti is because of "speculators and panic buying" and not enough product being made to satisfy demand....Those are the facts......I have made my point clearly and too often and that is that...DONE...... I am not interested in stiring the pot any longer as you say; because it stinks....End of story for me on this topic.

 

[Vezzolf]

You know Frank, some might call me crazy for posting this after over our numerous keyboard battles over the years, but if we ever catch up in person, would love to buy you a beverage of your choice. I always have found that people's viewpoints are really not that far apart in person or even if they are, it always makes for an enjoyable conversation and I tend to learn something.

All the best,
Tom

Stay well Tom....Best to you and your Family

 

[maddadicus]

"People Like ME" Peter???? The reason why we have been discussing increase production numbers for Figarti is because of "speculators and panic buying" and not enough product being made to satisfy demand....Those are the facts......I have made my point clearly and too often and that is that...DONE...... I am not interested in stiring the pot any longer as you say; because it stinks....End of story for me on this topic.

Frank, I mostly agree with you in principle, but I found out sometime ago that being too vocal about it can scare like minded folks away. By the way, I am enjoying the " new you ". I did not always like your " flaming way of posting ", but have recently noticed your more reasoned and informative responses. Sorry for our past differences..Michael