first legion a success? (2 Viewers)

[petebuster1]

Just to clarify things the FL figures range in price from £30 upwards details are on our website www.tmterrain.com
We then have to pay shipping costs to the UK then we pay VAT which is currently 15% on the consignment.
We also then have to pay duty on top of that.
Mark

Fully understand Mark if i'm correct the british figures are £40 plus ? a bit steep for
me.I know someone will sell them cheaper on the bay as someone already
has with the french line figures, i got 2 for £40 as they couldn't sell them first time round at £26, what does that say? The k&c British are also excellent, i think they made some good improvements on those ones and to be honest i dont feel theres £20 worth of difference between them which is what i paid for the k&c figures and a bit more for the flag bearers.Please dont misunderstand am not having a dig at anyone here simply stating some things as they are.

 

[petebuster1]

Whatever my little moans are about prices in the uk the more i see of these figures the more they are becoming must purchases, when are we going to the cuirassiers? and as ive only fairly recently come across these figures i guess ive missed the boat on the Napoleon set?

 

[King's Man]

The Napoleon set has not been released yet. It should be coming out soon, I hope. It has already been added to my MUST HAVE LIST.

King's Man

 

[petebuster1]

The Napoleon set has not been released yet. It should be coming out soon, I hope. It has already been added to my MUST HAVE LIST.

King's Man

Many thanks i thought i might have missed it,but as i couldn't see any comments on it i wasnt sure.When might this be due?

 

[Spitfrnd]

Fully understand Mark if i'm correct the british figures are £40 plus ? a bit steep for me.I know someone will sell them cheaper on the bay as someone already has with the french line figures, i got 2 for £40 as they couldn't sell them first time round at £26, what does that say?.

If they were based in the UK it says that I don't live there. If they were based in the US, it says I didn't see the auction. Seriously, there are quite a few of us enthusiasts that may not follow Ebay every minute and some don't even like Ebay or the secondary market.

The k&c British are also excellent, i think they made some good improvements on those ones and to be honest i dont feel theres £20 worth of difference between them which is what i paid for the k&c figures and a bit more for the flag bearers.Please dont misunderstand am not having a dig at anyone here simply stating some things as they are.

Well to be precise, you are not stating things as they are, but rather your relative opinion of the pricing and value. I have some K&C Napoleonics; I like the mounted figures and find the foot soldiers not as nice. If they were the only producer of this period, I would have not be so eagar to have started collecting it. As I noted a long time ago here, it was the sight of the 1st Legion French figures that prompted me to try a few and then I was hooked. That was good for them, not so good for TinBay. Nothing against K&C but any thought I may have had at getting the K&C British was dashed when I saw the 1st Legion ones. Yes I will have a few less but I will definitely enjoy them more. It is not what they cost but rather what you get for what you pay that matters to me. Of course we all have to assign our own value to things and these are no different.

 

[petebuster1]

Oh dear i thought i'd let all that die a death,if people dont follow ebay or the secondry market thats their choice and their loss, they will then always pay top dollar for the same thing, personally i dont care where i buy something i'll go for best deal.What i was refering to ie the price i paid for 2 figures (which were offered worldwide) is as they are, the seller had to reduce the price to sell them, its fact.value wise an early indication but that can and i would hope will change if fls take a hold in the market,expand in a big way and i feel they should with the quality then K&C may have real competition
I hope i dont have to say this again but as i've already stated imo 1st legion are the best figures on the market no question,the U S retail price is also excellent.I dont know but maybe theres just a slowdown of collectors, i'm not sure kids today collect like we did,so what the future holds for the hobby i've no idea.
If these had come out before K&C i doubt K&C would have come into much being at all. I would happily swap all my k&c for FL but the collectors market can be funny,what becomes sort after and what doesn't is anybodys guess but at the moment k&c still hold their prices in the main and have a lot go well over, most retired ones anyway.you might get some a little under but no real bargains something very few ever acheive and i'd still swap for fls quality
Not that any of this is important,we all collect to our different tastes but i think we all have one eye on value after our years of collecting.

 

[HistoryfortheAges]

First Legion is definitely one of the better producers of Napoleonic figures around in terms of scale, painting and accuracy. I, however, have made a personal decision to cease collecting any new figures from anybody in the current environment. I would definitely collect these as my main Napoleonic line under normal circumstances...

Thanks, Matt for your efforts and hope it goes well for you!

 

[Currahee Chris]

Welcome to the forums PB. I think the simple answer is that they can be compete at a higher price by being what they are, better. Of course it would be nice if they were the same price as K&C and CS but I have several of all three and there really is no comparison to me. Essentially, they are offering a different product. The sculpting and painting of the 1st Legion figures is more like connoisseur grade than like the other two; and their poses are more interesting and accurate for the most part. The K&C figures are nice but they are rather bulky and have a number of out of scale painting and casting issues, such as hands, rifles and braid and the faces are definitely more toy soldier looking. The CS figures have interesting poses but have some of the same issues and several of their faces are relatively scary. I think you will find that the question is not how can they compete but rather how quickly they can expand.

I really couldn't have put it any better. I think First Legion is the most exciting thing out there in the toy soldier market right now. Too bad they do not produce any figure lines that I am personally interested in. That being said, they are simply stunning to see in person- especially the blocked Naps.

 

[APACHEJOL]

I really couldn't have put it any better. I think First Legion is the most exciting thing out there in the toy soldier market right now. Too bad they do not produce any figure lines that I am personally interested in. That being said, they are simply stunning to see in person- especially the blocked Naps.

I have to agree excellent figures but no much to choose from that I collect will see what the future holds.

 

[Spitfrnd]

I really couldn't have put it any better. I think First Legion is the most exciting thing out there in the toy soldier market right now. Too bad they do not produce any figure lines that I am personally interested in. That being said, they are simply stunning to see in person- especially the blocked Naps.

Hey Chris, too long since we have heard from you here. Welcome back mate. I know you are not into the Naps but never say never; who knows what they may come up with in a bit.

 

[joesgis]

Must agree guys....First Legion currently does not produce what I collect, but I recently had the pleasure and honor of viewing a huge collector's sprawling collection, and amongst this massive labor of love stood out a series of Napoleonic Bavarians which were simply jaw-dropping; no exaggeration. AMAZING to say the least. And remember, this is coming from a non-Napoleonic collector! I collect primarily Crusades, WW2, and ancient Greeks and have also have built up a good number of WW1 and Alamo figures as well. If First Legion ever did 54MM Crusaders, I might be inclined to buy multiples of every piece!

 

[FirstLegion]

Must agree guys....First Legion currently does not produce what I collect, but I recently had the pleasure and honor of viewing a huge collector's sprawling collection, and amongst this massive labor of love stood out a series of Napoleonic Bavarians which were simply jaw-dropping; no exaggeration. AMAZING to say the least. And remember, this is coming from a non-Napoleonic collector! I collect primarily Crusades, WW2, and ancient Greeks and have also have built up a good number of WW1 and Alamo figures as well. If First Legion ever did 54MM Crusaders, I might be inclined to buy multiples of every piece!

Thanks joesgis or the kind words on our figures. And to think, the Bavarians were our first release and though quite good, the quality has certainly gone up from there. Given your stated interests, I'm quite certain we'll have something that is more in line with your collecting tastes in the not too distant future.

Regards,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[joesgis]

Thanks joesgis or the kind words on our figures. And to think, the Bavarians were our first release and though quite good, the quality has certainly gone up from there. Given your stated interests, I'm quite certain we'll have something that is more in line with your collecting tastes in the not too distant future.

Regards,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

Hello Matt, You're very welcome, and thank you for the response. I must say you now have me entirely intrigued! I'm very excited that you are about to embark along production lines that happen to coincide w/ my collection focus! I anxiously await any annoucements! I can't express how great the news is, because there have been other times that I have deeply appreciated other artistic manufacturer's work and wished it fell w/in the realm(s) of my own selfish interests. This precise feeling was very strong upon viewing your work displayed in the amazing Ed Ruby collection. So you can imagine how ecstatic I am to learn your artistic vision, quality and style will someday be part of my growing collection. It's great having something to look forward to of such artistic vision, depth, quality, and value. Now I find myself beyond eager to find out what line of my mentioned interests that you are about to delve into . It's also exciting to hear that your Bavarian set was one of you first and that there have been improvments since, because I found the quality level of this series to be exquisite just as is. One last note about your figures that Ed Ruby shared with me; he explained to me that your Bavarian drummer boy is one of the only drummer boys made by anyone that actually looks like a boy as opposed to a very short adult, and I certainly agreed. I also pointed out that I really thought the kneeling firing figure was an absolute gem. I'll keep an eye on your website and on this board as always. Thanks again for the reply and for producing such fine figures!!!! Joe

 

[Andanna]

If First Legion ever did 54MM Crusaders, I might be inclined to buy multiples of every piece!

Matt, listen to the collective wisdom of this forum! There are just not enough crusaders in 54mm on the market that allow creating a coherent group.

 

[FirstLegion]

Matt, listen to the collective wisdom of this forum! There are just not enough crusaders in 54mm on the market that allow creating a coherent group.

Alas, so many figures to create, so little time...

I think it's a pretty safe bet that we will add at least one or two new ranges each year. We've got out plate full for this year for sure, but there's always next year....(and the year after that...and the year after that....)

 

[Andanna]

No rush.

So little time, so little monies, and so much to buy already from FL at this point.

 

[marco55]

Hey Matt,
I was wondering how your 40mm lines and your 90mm Saladin are doing in sales? Are you doing anything else in 90mm and if so give a hint.
Mark

 

[FirstLegion]

Hey Matt,
I was wondering how your 40mm lines and your 90mm Saladin are doing in sales? Are you doing anything else in 90mm and if so give a hint.
Mark

They do ok I guess and customers of the range are exceedingly happy with the figures. Really, our catalog isn't complete enough (yet) for the 40mm ranges to really take off as wargamers want full ranges to select from. We are adding many new packs and several new ranges and will continue to do so. Unlike toy soldiers, the unpainted 40mm figures tend to sell about the same forever (i.e. the same figures released now will still be selling at the same pace 5 years from now). And yes, we do have more 90mm plans and the only hint I'll give is that we are visiting our favorite Napoleonic period next....

Regards,

Matt

 

[mikemiller1955]

You guys can trumpet the price, the duties, Ebay, dollies, etc... all you want.

These are good looking figures, bottom line.

Enough said, good job Matt, I love them.

Michael

 

[Spitfrnd]

You guys can trumpet the price, the duties, Ebay, dollies, etc... all you want.

These are good looking figures, bottom line.

Enough said, good job Matt, I love them.

Michael

Well said Michael.