Have no idea what right size is anymore! (3 Viewers)

[Firebat]

Just got my Stewarts today, they are no doubt bigger than the earlier ones. They have a very different finish also.

OK so here is what I am going to do. I have my main formula now of TGM Figures with TCS AFV's, it sort of solved the scale issue for me. With TCS AFV's being bigger than the main stream, so are their figures, so I don't buy TCS figures any more (Although I do like them) because TGM is actually a better match with the TCS AFV's..............BUT........... I am happy the new Stewarts are bigger so I can actually use them with Normandy and Winter figures I have from TCS, which I was going to reluctantly sell. Alex


"Where there is a will there is a way" {sm4}

Dont get me wrong I would rather not go through all of this mixing and matching. As someone posted previously, the wallet will work in different ways in 2013. Alex

 

[Jürgen_Keuppe]

So, for all these years, I have believed the K&C M5A1 was undersized. It actually appears to be a spot on 1:30 scale model.

 

[jazzeum]

I always thought it was undesized as well. Undersized or not, it's still one of my favorite models. So just because it's undersized or not in scale doesn't make it "junk" as some have written :smile2:

Brad

 

[Firebat]

So, for all these years, I have believed the K&C M5A1 was undersized. It actually appears to be a spot on 1:30 scale model.

I made the same discovery a while back.....BUT........ You have to use it with FL figures if you want the figures to be a better match.....The figures that come with it are too big...........BUT....you could use the figures that come with it with the new Collectors Showcase Stewart and that actually works better.

So as you can see it still is all a mess. Alex

 

[bradleyl30]

I think we should have a section in the forum where we post our "discoveries" on scale. In other words, as we buy the items and see the TCM figures work best with TCS vehicles, and FL figures work best with K&C vehicles (or other combinations) we document them.

This might go in the General Matte discussion area or its own separate mixing and matching area.

I know that when I began collecting I started with K&C, but wanted to add more variety. It especially began with collecting Panther tanks, so I bought the two K&C Panthers, and then two Honour Bound Panthers. Then I saw the TCS Panther and bought it... and it was so much bigger than the K&C tanks and a little bigger than the HB tanks. What was worse was the scale difference of the TCS Panzer IV and StuG III compared to equivalent K&Cs. For me, it has meant being very gun shy when it comes to buying TCS stuff due to these problems.

I never was really satisfied with the Panzer IV and StuG III, but I was able to get the Panther to work (I wanted to create an entire Zug) and the SdKfz 251 C (which is my favorite TCS piece) by using some of the methods in this forum.

This is part of what drew me to this forum. To help me identify which pieces from different manufacturers go best with other pieces.

I still have lots of K&C, but have slowed down on those purchases. I am moving more and more to FL, but also really like TCM.

I would really like to add some of the TCS stuff because my favorite dioramas are multi-vehicle dioramas that show units working together.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Firebat]

I think we should have a section in the forum where we post our "discoveries" on scale. In other words, as we buy the items and see the TCM figures work best with TCS vehicles, and FL figures work best with K&C vehicles (or other combinations) we document them.

This might go in the General Matte discussion area or its own separate mixing and matching area.

I know that when I began collecting I started with K&C, but wanted to add more variety. It especially began with collecting Panther tanks, so I bought the two K&C Panthers, and then two Honour Bound Panthers. Then I saw the TCS Panther and bought it... and it was so much bigger than the K&C tanks and a little bigger than the HB tanks. What was worse was the scale difference of the TCS Panzer IV and StuG III compared to equivalent K&Cs. For me, it has meant being very gun shy when it comes to buying TCS stuff due to these problems.

I never was really satisfied with the Panzer IV and StuG III, but I was able to get the Panther to work (I wanted to create an entire Zug) and the SdKfz 251 C (which is my favorite TCS piece) by using some of the methods in this forum.

This is part of what drew me to this forum. To help me identify which pieces from different manufacturers go best with other pieces.

I still have lots of K&C, but have slowed down on those purchases. I am moving more and more to FL, but also really like TCM.

I would really like to add some of the TCS stuff because my favorite dioramas are multi-vehicle dioramas that show units working together.

Just my thoughts.

As I keep saying there is a new breed of collector emerging......Change is slow I experienced this on the Fire Dept I worked for, it took me 20 years to bring meaningful change to a very traditional profession. Once I became a Chief which gave me more leverage, drastic and effective change came in about 5 years. Yes there were moans and groans, but in the end it all worked out

This is a traditional hobby and change is difficult also, but there is definately some movement that favors those of us that are demanding proper scale and detail. I think you give some good suggestions a section for the "Scale" guys would be most welcome


Our website www.battlesceneproductions.net I think has provisions for a Forum. I am checking into it, but it would be just limited to high end dioramas, scale, detail, conversions etc. I will let those who would be interested know if it gets off the ground.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

As mentioned before, 1/30 scale is...........................ONE to THIRTY scale of measure. I don't know if this discussion should linger around only in the collectors showcase threads as we have found disparities amongst others as well.

 

[maddadicus]

As mentioned before, 1/30 scale is...........................ONE to THIRTY scale of measure. I don't know if this discussion should linger around only in the collectors showcase threads as we have found disparities amongst others as well.

The discussion was started by me because of my purchase of the oversized Stuart vs CS other items. Most other mfg. offerings at least looks OK to the eye between their own models to each other in their own line. CS has always had the biggest visual challenge for a collector buying model to model. Michael

 

[PanzerAce1944]

The discussion was started by me because of my purchase of the oversized Stuart vs CS other items. Most other mfg. offerings at least looks OK to the eye between their own models to each other in their own line. CS has always had the biggest visual challenge for a collector buying model to model. Michael

I understand completely your concerns and points made Michael. As we say here in west Texas........no problemo Amigo ^&cool

 

[Jürgen_Keuppe]

The discussion was started by me because of my purchase of the oversized Stuart vs CS other items. Most other mfg. offerings at least looks OK to the eye between their own models to each other in their own line. CS has always had the biggest visual challenge for a collector buying model to model. Michael

At just under 4" high, the new Stuart is approximately 1:24 scale. (90.5"/24=3.7")

 

[Firebat]

I have to give TCS credit for trying to solve the scale problem, by making their AFV's larger. I really appreciate that, for me personally, it is working very well and it is important to a growing number of others also.

You will see scenes in the future by BSP, which will show this. I dont know what happened in regards to the Stewart, because I just got mine and it IS bigger than the previous Stewart. ..OH well

But I still would like to know who came up with the bright idea years ago to make the figures larger that the AFV's.....That is where the problem really started.

I think everyone should be reminded that this important discussion has expanded quite a bit from its original intent. But it is a informative discussion and except for the original TCS Stewart dilemma, reflects inaccuracies that span all manufacturers.


Maybe this discussion should be continued elseware, because it is a worthwile and ongoing discussuon and where it has gone should not single out TCS. Alex

 

[kilted vampire]

At just under 4" high, the new Stuart is approximately 1:24 scale. (90.5"/24=3.7")

Well then it should go quite well with my LGB Reichsbahn set up. MUAHAHAHAHhahahaaaaaaaa..........cough...sputter..wheez.

 

[Jürgen_Keuppe]

This is one of my all-time favorite CS figures. If 60mm or 1:30 scale is 6-feet, this guy is around 6'5". That's subtracting some for the base.

 

[kilted vampire]

This is one of my all-time favorite CS figures. If 60mm or 1:30 scale is 6-feet, this guy is around 6'5". That's subtracting some for the base.

Zer gute. I am Deutscher und 6'5". Zo not so impossible Jah?

 

[Hunter Rose]

That is an older figure where even TCS troops tended on the large size. Current offerings are the same size as King and Country or Thomas Gunn. They go quite well together.

 

[Firebat]

This is one of my all-time favorite CS figures. If 60mm or 1:30 scale is 6-feet, this guy is around 6'5". That's subtracting some for the base.

One of my favorites too !

 

[Jürgen_Keuppe]

Of course, I'm not sure of the implications for the massive MP40. Perhaps the bigger guys carried bigger variants...LOL. ^&grin

 

[Artillery_crazy]

Of course, I'm not sure of the implications for the massive MP40. Perhaps the bigger guys carried bigger variants...LOL. ^&grin

Hi Jurgen,

That has been exactly my point all along......some manufacturers out there are not only defining alternate scales that mess our collections up, but apply these measurements with such an inacurate freedom that we end up with weapons, vehicles - items that have a standard measurement coming out in all kinds of bizare sizes.......
Humans, maintaining a certain margin differ in hight, so one may advocate that a soldier from manufacturer A is taller than from B but if both are at the same exact scale this varaince is minimum ( Unless we are comparing Napoleon with a Prussian Granadier Guard from King William of Prussia.....).
Artillery_Crazy

 

[Firebat]

In a thread somewhere Sculptor Ken Osen, spoke about proportion, not size, and that really stuck with me. There has been much discussion about size of figures themselves and the size of figures in relation to AFV's, but there is also the issue of proportion of the equipment on the figure, There is a glaring problem with that issue involving a particular manufacturer you cant mention, especially with their guns.

Anyway.......

I had mentioned trying to move this discussion elseware, but it think that would kill it. Brian should be happy, because he is a manufacturer who listens, and he and TCS can benefit from this discussion. He has made us the larger vehicles which now fit and maybe he may now consider making his figures smaller to give the perfect match. The Stewart for some reason was a goof, I think that was proven here, but TCS has done much good work and they just need to keep things on track like they have been doing, and consider the smaller figures also.

Also many figures (All Manufacturers except FL) are a bit too chunky, I have some good pics to show that, which I will post.

If there is a movement in this direction, it will get worse before it gets better, and it will upset our existing collections a bit, but it is a total mess now anyway and I for one would endure the sacrifice to bring things into line.

Alex

 

[lancer]

This is one of my all-time favorite CS figures. If 60mm or 1:30 scale is 6-feet, this guy is around 6'5". That's subtracting some for the base.

This is an excellent figure and it, along with other of the early CS Arnhem figures, drew me to CS with it's gritty, realistic look. I have 4 of those Arnhem Germans and they are my favorite WW2 figures. They all fit perfectly with my CS 007 Wittmann Tiger.:wink2: -- Al